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'15 CAN DT Neville Gallimore (Oklahoma Verbal)
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JC Shurburtt with a CB to OSU.......Nobody has ND as the CB at this time, but the only national analyst to submit has been JC.
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Wiltfong just talked about this on an OSU radio show. Said no one really knows who the major players are for Gallimore until he starts taking official visits and poopooed OSU being a "leader" of any kind.
I do think that OSU is a reasonable guess for his ultimate landing spot though.
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Cornell & Hilliard are all over this kid. I'd say OSU will be in this for awhile.
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With OSU being his only visit at this time, it makes sense that some are saying they lead. I'm of the mindset that this is far from over and he'll be taking at least some OV's that will give us a better idea. Things we know. He wants a big time program and close to home. That leaves only a handful of schools that will be legit players. ND being one of them.
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Wouldn't put much stock in a rising junior taking on Tristen
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He was joking
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Per Barton Simmons we're not even part of the conversation right now. Already schedule one to Oklahoma. OSU and MSU also seem likely to get an OV. Also Penn State, Florida, Florida State and Syracuse remain in contention.
-Interesting that some of those schools are so far away and it was believed the most determining factor in his recruitment was close proximity to home. And that was unanimously believed. He may just be taking visits to schools that are far away because he'll never be able to see them otherwise but this doesn't look good. Not too worried as I like our DT position going forward but I would like to land one of his abilities soon.
-Interesting that some of those schools are so far away and it was believed the most determining factor in his recruitment was close proximity to home. And that was unanimously believed. He may just be taking visits to schools that are far away because he'll never be able to see them otherwise but this doesn't look good. Not too worried as I like our DT position going forward but I would like to land one of his abilities soon.
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Originally posted by C_Pugh15:
Is the staff working to set up an official visit? He listed us as a favorite earlier in the process and now talks about Ohio St and Oklahoma. This is the type of kid who I wish Kelly would personally go after. U can rest assured that Urban has been all over him. Ride the damn horse to Canada and recruit some DL.
TJ,
Yes.
A ton of ["interesting"] recruiting going on here, especially from about six hours SE of ND.
So this is an exchange between a poster that brought this news to II and TJ's response. Sounds like we are getting neg recruited. I don't like this style of recruiting but considering we've been getting torched by Mora, Meyer, etc. I think its high time we start throwing fire and those dirty a$$holes.
Is the staff working to set up an official visit? He listed us as a favorite earlier in the process and now talks about Ohio St and Oklahoma. This is the type of kid who I wish Kelly would personally go after. U can rest assured that Urban has been all over him. Ride the damn horse to Canada and recruit some DL.
TJ,
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A ton of ["interesting"] recruiting going on here, especially from about six hours SE of ND.
So this is an exchange between a poster that brought this news to II and TJ's response. Sounds like we are getting neg recruited. I don't like this style of recruiting but considering we've been getting torched by Mora, Meyer, etc. I think its high time we start throwing fire and those dirty a$$holes.
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'15 CAN DT Neville Gallimore (Offer)
'15 CAN DT Neville Gallimore (Offer)
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'15 CAN DT Neville Gallimore (Offer)
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And some on this board don't think negative recruiting goes on. lol
Crazy Balki
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When this happen? I'd have expected ND would be one of the locks for an OV.
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and why is that?
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Because ND is the favorite for literally every recruit in the world, and the only reason we aren't taking every five-star prospect in existence is because the coaching staff wants a challenge.
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No. Wasn't ND in the select group of schools that Gallimore was looking at. I'm pretty sure that was a thing. So, excuse me for thinking that would at least warrant an OV, whereas a bunch of schools that came out of nowhere are getting more consideration than ND. Wasn't he trying to stay closer to home too? Can't this work out for us for a change?
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No actually the opposite. He's always been open to a ton of schools and any thought of a leader was just a educated guess.[/QUOTE]
That was rumored but doesn't appear to be true at the moment.
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Well so much for him being the top DT target. I am really not liking where we stand in recruitment right now. I mean, sure we have 17 recruits, which is cool, but not many (if any) are what I would call "elite". I know that some of our guys are underrated, and should be ranked higher once the season gets underway, but I'd like us to stop hitting major roadblocks in recruiting and finally nab at least 1 elite player. It just seems like every elite player that ND recruits, just has them along for the ride only to shun them at the end of the road. I just don't get why we can't seem to land just 1, just 1 measly 5-star or even a high 4-star? It's just mind boggling. I'm not just saying this because we don't have one, but because we have barely any on the board with remote interest. Maybe winning is what we need, but I don't imagine us pulling off another 12-0 season, and I don't imagine something around 9-3 is going to do much to boost recruiting, unless one of those wins happens to be FSU.
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I believe ND is in a wonderful position this year. If we show an exciting, potent offense, that really distributes the ball well we are going to improve in recruits eyes more than anything short of the championship game. Similarly, if we move to BVG's defense seamlessly, and it is a successful aggressive defense, top talent is going to take us much more seriously.
I remember talking to one of my few old coaches left, and he made a great point in '12. That passive 3-4 was doing great with that personnel, but he didn't see that particular defensive success carrying on indefinitely. He thought we would struggle to replace the awesome talent we had, because few if any players on the line were going to want to two-gap 60 percent of the time, and the top db's didn't want to play the kind of zone we used.
I will add that I believe some recruits didn't really want to play defense for ND because they thought that their chances for injury were too great. I believe last year, especially after Navy, if Bob Diaco hadn't left we would have really had a hard time holding our class instead of finishing strong on the defensive line, like we did.
Remember with 17 year olds reward versus risk is the whole ball game. Immediate gratification is most likely the medium of exchange. Whether it is consciously stated, or deeply unconscious, regardless of the reality of the situation, most kids are looking for the greatest reward for the least hard work. When you talk classes first, better job after graduation, staying for four years, working your ass off, and in past an unrewarding offense and defense, a lot of guys go, "No thanks!" The guys like Jaylon Smith, Peter Mokwuah, Jonathon Bonner, (I could go on but, basically, you can read the roster as well as I can) are here. Again and again, guys like Ronald Darby, Justin Ferguson, Alex Anzalone, Davonte Neal, RKinlaw, and David Perkins will wash out.
Some great guys we will get because of their shining character, some guys we won't ever get because they will not put forth the effort. After all, everything has always come easy to them. Working as hard as Notre Dame asks is something totally outside of their experience! They have never had to work for anything, life has been one festival of achievement based upon freakish superior talent. I was just talking to an AD at a high school yesterday, and he said the first time the talent cut happens is in tenth grade. Up until then, boy athletes in particular can rely upon skill alone. After that, it is those with skill, organization, and the ability to work for a goal.
And that same thing happens the further along the athlete goes. Top skill needs desire, attitude, organization, practice and then some, more and more so at each subsequent level. Finally, throw in sex and money. Remember, many of the boosters were those that wouldn't work as hard and postpone gratification for a goal. So what do they do? Set things up to attract talent on the basis of what they "know." That is exactly why ND is so susceptible to negative recruiting and the bagman who pays kids not to visit! And that is exactly why other schools have to do this.
Too many recruits would see the advantages of what ND has to offer. And this is why I believe that an exciting offense that Kelly demonstrates the "right" youngsters can step right into, and an exciting aggressive defense are the most important things to show recruits this year.
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Look at where the 247 composite 5-star players are from in this year's class:
Florida - 9
California - 8
Texas - 6
Georgia - 5
Virginia, New Jersey, Ohio, North Carolina, Kentucky, Illinois, Louisiana, Alabama, Arizona - 1
Total = 37
23 of the 37 are in "SEC" states. 18 of the 37 are currently committed, 11 to SEC schools.
Academics probably eliminate up to 50% of the 5-stars from consideration, but we went after the ones we could and I think we have "remote interest" from 3-4 of them, but chances are we don't land any. We did have a commitment from one (Barnett), and fought hard for another (Hilliard) but lost to the in-state school which happens a lot in recruiting.
The point is, 5-stars are a difficult pull for a number of reasons (geography, academics, in-state pressure, campus life, etc) and this year's class just doesn't appear to have the right fit.
As for high 4-star targets...it seems we're down to a small number for now and will continue to recruit the best players possible as the season comes to an end and there's a push for NSD, but I like where we stand with these guys:
RB Soso Jamabo 0.9768 (top group, maybe even favorite)
WR Equanimeous St. Brown 0.9498 (top group, maybe even favorite)
OLB/DE Porter Gustin 0.9644 (need to impress on OV)
Some others that don't fit your criteria of "elite" but I'd love to have in this class are:
CB Ykili Ross 0.9208 (top group, maybe even favorite)
LB Asmar Bilal 0.9152 (top 2, decision coming soon)
LB Tevon Coney 0.8802 (top 2-3)
OLB/DE Bo Wallace 0.8722 (high interest)
Getting back to Gallimore...another DT in this class isn't a need IMO, so even if he chooses to not visit ND and look elsewhere, it's not like we're hurting at the position with Gage, Mokwuah, Taylor, Tiassum and Dew-Treadway.
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You might be the most emotional poster on here. Its either the greatest in the world or the worst. Its recruiting and you should know by now that its not rational or sane.
1. Nobody knew who Jhonny Williams was last year and who gives a crap about rankings he's a stud. Same goes for Bonner and Hill. The schools that didn't offer those guys will probably regret it. Looking at recruiting rankings is supposed to be fun, not the end of be all of how we judge the staff or our classes.
2. Like NDWorld pointed out we are still in play for some really good football players and we haven't even hit OV season yet.
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Bogtrotter07
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Just most of that defensive haul would be off the charts!
With the 14 class we are going to see a majority of the players with ceilings higher than you would expect from their ratings. We have a class where the rule, not the exception is "sleeper!"
'15 seems to be following '14.
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Right now it'd be very surprising if we didn't land Jamabo and Ross, per people who would know have said. I know a lot of people are firm on Ross being a Trojan but there are people who don't BS who are emphatic this is not the case.
Bilal, Coney, ESB... I think we really need one more LB. ESB would be a great cherry on top of this class and you just have to hope Schraeder's info is off.
Bilal, Coney, ESB... I think we really need one more LB. ESB would be a great cherry on top of this class and you just have to hope Schraeder's info is off.
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I sure do hope that we land those guys. Those are all very underrated as their current ranks show. That's the reason for my pessimism, because last year, despite having a lack of "elite" prospects, there were plenty of guys who were vastly underrated. I just don't get that same feel for some of the group. Sure, there's guys like McKinney, Coleman and Ruhland, but the rest of the 3-star guys I'm not as confident as I was for last year's group. Outside of possibly Mokwuah (mainly due to lack of competition), all of the 3-star guys look vastly underrated. This year, some look underrated, some look like typical run of the mill 3-stars, but hey, I'm sure Kelly knows more than me. I think he saw the crop of "elite" DL's shrinking and there was little interest in ND, so he stocked up on local products.
Guys like Ross, Coney, Bilal and Wallace are much better than their rankings give them credit for, which is why I'd feel better about this class if it closed out on that, along with Jamabo and St. Brown on offense. Gustin is a longshot at this point, but with an OV, you never know. Hopefully it ends up like this. It would change my perspective on this class completely. It's not that I hate this class. I'm just disappointed because it could've been much better at this point.
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No previous Notre Dame staff has been more aggressive in recruiting the states of Florida, Texas, and California for competitive players(although I do remember Lou Holtz showing up in front of a house trailer in Philadelphia, Mississippi). These efforts may account for some disappointments, but persistent effort will pay off.
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I guess I haven't been following closely enough. I thought that ND was out of it?
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Hope he is ready to work hard to stay at that 275 range and pick up some burst speed. I think he will personally outgrow the DE position in a 4-3 but may excel for 3-4 DE. Just my opinion though.