Sep 6 | Michigan

[arrowryan]

If we lose this game, I'm going to be way more pissed than I was after the 2011 game. This is a must win for a lot of reasons

 

[Rack Em]

Fuck Michigan.

God I hate those bastards so much. Their stupid wing tipped helmets, their stupid fucking colors, their holier than thou fight song. Fuck Michigoon! Fuck 'em!

The whole state sucks, 'cept for the yoopers of course.

Fuck Michigan, gentlemen.

Fun fact: on this day in 1837 the first person uttered the phrase "Fuck Michigan."

It's 9:18.....


and Michigan still sucks.

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[Bogtrotter07]

Fun fact: on this day in 1837 the first person uttered the phrase "Fuck Michigan."

July 12: Fighting broke out on the border. The deputy sheriff of Monroe County, Joseph Wood, was commissioned to arrest Two Stickney of Toledo (son of Major Benjamin Stickney, younger brother of One Stickney; see above) for allegedly having resisted two Michigan officers by force. Two Stickney notified Wood that the day he set foot in Toledo his life would be in danger.
July 16: (Michigan's department of History, Arts, and Libraries says it was the 15th) The deputy sheriff attempted to carry out his commission. Stickney stabbed him in the left side with a dirk, saying: "Damn you, you have got it." Wood was taken to the nearest inn for treatment and subsequently recovered. Meanwhile fifty to seventy-five leading Toledo citizens, including Goodsell and McKay (former guests of Major Benjamin Stickney), gathered to pledge resistance against any further Michigan arrests, "as long as they have a drop of blood left."
Upon being informed of these developments, Mason immediately ordered the Monroe posse of about two hundred men into Toledo to arrest Two Stickney. When the Toledoans sighted the armed force, a large number fled across the Maumee River, some paddling their way to the other side on logs. Once safely out of the posse's reach, they gave vent to their anger by firing on the intruders. Fonts of type of the Toledo Gazette were "thrown into confusion."In the midst of this uproar Two Stickney escaped. The posse arrested three or four Ohio sympathizers, including McKay and Major Stickney. The Major, on the way to the Monroe jail, was forcibly held on a horse by having his legs tied under the animal's body.

Upon his escape, Two Stickney was in fact heard to say, "Fuck you, AND FUCK MICHIGAN!"

Fun fact : Two Stickney and his brother One, were sons of (Major) Benjamin Stickney, prominent citizen, who was the grandson of Benjamin Franklin. You want some (ill) legitimacy there?

 

[Johannes]

Upon his escape, Two Stickney was in fact heard to say, "Fuck you, AND FUCK MICHIGAN!"

Fun fact : Two Stickney and his brother One, were sons of (Major) Benjamin Stickney, prominent citizen, who was the grandson of Benjamin Franklin. You want some (ill) legitimacy there?

Did not know that about the Stickneys, interesting. I will say that the Boy Governor, Stevens T Mason, had a point in his beef with Ohio. Shady dealings to take the Maumee strip. All is forgiven though; the UP was more than enough compensation.

That said, fuck Meechigan for dragging my beautiful state's name through the mud.

 

[arndtjc]

 

[ndyeater]

Ill be at this game!! Section 120!

Would love to see an I.E tailgate that would be a blast!!!

Its me and 2 other other people....gotta find a place to crash after hmmmmm

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Did not know that about the Stickneys, interesting. I will say that the Boy Governor, Stevens T Mason, had a point in his beef with Ohio. Shady dealings to take the Maumee strip. All is forgiven though; the UP was more than enough compensation.

That said, fuck Meechigan for dragging my beautiful state's name through the mud.

The actual origin of the problem was contained within a single fact of the times. In that period of American history, consumption of alcohol was significantly greater than today. Not regulated, with little available clean drinking water, average per capita consumption was something staggering :

“the period from the 1790s to the early 1830s was probably the heaviest drinking era in the nation’s history.” Mean absolute alcohol intake frose from 5.8 gallons in 1790 (people aged 15 or older) to 7.1 gallons per year in 1810; it held at that level, “with minor fluctuations”, until “at least 1830.”

In the case of the Ohio - Michigan line, If you look at the straight line starting at the border of Indiana and Illinois, continuing that straight across to its conclusion at Lake Erie approximates what the current border is. That is what the moneyed elite (powers to be that invested heavily in Port Lawrence, and the Wabash and Erie canal expected. Well a drunk surveyor turned in his alcohol altered final measurements and we get the line that threw this into uproar. Add in some pre-rocket, rocket-scientists that thought of the tax advantages of remaining in a territory (Michigan), instead of fully incorporated state (Ohio) and the foundation of the drama and passion was fully laid. Just waiting for the passions of men that would give their last drop of blood, yet turned and fled to a distance beyond musket range to hurl insults and musket shot at each other!

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[irish4ever]

Confirmed ... Michigan does SUCK!

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Michigan?src=hash">#Michigan</a> HC Brady Hoke says last <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> game will be an emphasis: "It's a national rivalry. It's a shame that that series is over with"</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/statuses/493784493149278208">July 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[UmphreakDomer]

watching Hoke right now on BTN media day coverage...

this guy is so hard to listen to.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Agree with most tweeting me, re: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>/<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Michigan?src=hash">#Michigan</a>. A rivalry, yes, but it does little for ND, given other scheduling options for them.</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/statuses/493789939339776002">July 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ulukinatme]

watching Hoke right now on BTN media day coverage...

this guy is so hard to listen to.

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[TomHaverford]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Agree with most tweeting me, re: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>/<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Michigan?src=hash">#Michigan</a>. A rivalry, yes, but it does little for ND, given other scheduling options for them.</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/statuses/493789939339776002">July 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I disagree. I think it's a big game from a national perspective and that it does a lot for both programs. Both programs have had their downs in the 2000's, but I remember some of those games from the late 80's and early 90's when both programs were really good, and man some of those games were just epic. I flat out love playing ND, I love the game and I am upset it's going away.

The two winningest teams in CFB history in terms of total wins and win %. The WSJ did a study on college football fan bases, and ND & Mich were both in the top 3 in terms of largest nation wide fan bases. They are two top 5 programs all-time, and to me it's just a great, great match-up and a game that I really look forward to watching, win or lose.

Maybe ND does get a small boost in recruiting dropping Michigan for other scheduling opportunities. I have no idea. I just know that I hate not playing Notre Dame.

 

[pumpdog20]

I disagree. I think it's a big game from a national perspective and that it does a lot for both programs. Both programs have had their downs in the 2000's, but I remember some of those games from the late 80's and early 90's when both programs were really good, and man some of those games were just epic. I flat out love playing ND, I love the game and I am upset it's going away.

The two winningest teams in CFB history in terms of total wins and win %. The WSJ did a study on college football fan bases, and ND & Mich were both in the top 3 in terms of largest nation wide fan bases. They are two top 5 programs all-time, and to me it's just a great, great match-up and a game that I really look forward to watching, win or lose.

Maybe ND does get a small boost in recruiting dropping Michigan for other scheduling opportunities. I have no idea. I just know that I hate not playing Notre Dame.

You and I agree. Absolutely stupid that this game is done (for now).

 

[ulukinatme]

I disagree. I think it's a big game from a national perspective and that it does a lot for both programs. Both programs have had their downs in the 2000's, but I remember some of those games from the late 80's and early 90's when both programs were really good, and man some of those games were just epic. I flat out love playing ND, I love the game and I am upset it's going away.

The two winningest teams in CFB history in terms of total wins and win %. The WSJ did a study on college football fan bases, and ND & Mich were both in the top 3 in terms of largest nation wide fan bases. They are two top 5 programs all-time, and to me it's just a great, great match-up and a game that I really look forward to watching, win or lose.

Maybe ND does get a small boost in recruiting dropping Michigan for other scheduling opportunities. I have no idea. I just know that I hate not playing Notre Dame.

I think it is a rivalry, but I think it means more to Michigan today than it does to ND. For example, Michigan was preparing for ND last year two weeks before their game with Central Michigan, while Notre Dame treated it like every other game and didn't start preparing until the week of the game.

Was it a wise move on the Irish's part given the fact there probably was less to prepare for against Temple than Michigan? Yeah, probably, but for whatever reason I just think Notre Dame doesn't prepare for Michigan like they would or should as a tough rival, they don't get up for the game like they should. I think for his part Hoke does treat it like a big rivalry and puts a lot into the game. It would explain why Michigan has played well against OSU and Notre Dame, but in the following games against lesser opponents Michigan struggled.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rivalry?src=hash">#Rivalry</a>. MT <a href="https://twitter.com/DavidFox615">@DavidFox615</a> UM DE Frank Clark on visiting ND: "I've never seen so many middle fingers. I thought that was a Christian school."</p>— Tyler James (@TJamesNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/TJamesNDI/statuses/493802298574143488">July 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[irishog77]

I think it is a rivalry, but I think it means more to Michigan today than it does to ND. For example, Michigan was preparing for ND last year two weeks before their game with Central Michigan, while Notre Dame treated it like every other game and didn't start preparing until the week of the game.

Was it a wise move on the Irish's part given the fact there probably was less to prepare for against Temple than Michigan? Yeah, probably, but for whatever reason I just think Notre Dame doesn't prepare for Michigan like they would or should as a tough rival, they don't get up for the game like they should. I think for his part Hoke does treat it like a big rivalry and puts a lot into the game. It would explain why Michigan has played well against OSU and Notre Dame, but in the following games against lesser opponents Michigan struggled.

Of course Hoke and Michigan care a lot about playing ND-- it's essentially the only game they play in their season where non big 10 fans care or notice.

 

[phork]

And an almost assured victory...

 

[TomHaverford]

Of course Hoke and Michigan care a lot about playing ND-- it's essentially the only game they play in a season where non big 10 fans care or notice.

Hey man, I think Michigan played Alabama in 2012 the week before we played ND, and the Ohio State game always gets pretty good ratings.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see Michigan play more OOC games like Texas, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Oregon, etc., just not at the expense of ND. I don't see why you can't just drop some MAC snack for a real game. I really think the college football world will be moving to that with the power conferences forming and a push for a real playoff in the future. Hopefully the MAC snacks and FCS/D-II will be a thing of the past for the B1G and SEC.

 

[irishog77]

Hey man, I think Michigan played Alabama in 2012 the week before we played ND, and the Ohio State game always gets pretty good ratings.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see Michigan play more OOC games like Texas, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Oregon, etc., just not at the expense of ND. I don't see why you can't just drop some MAC snack for a real game. I really think the college football world will be moving to that with the power conferences forming and a push for a real playoff in the future. Hopefully the MAC snacks and FCS/D-II will be a thing of the past for the B1G and SEC.

True. But that's a rarity that they play games against Alabama or others of that ilk. That's why I said playing ND is essentially the only game.

I'm not being an asshole here, but honestly, people who live in Nashville that aren't from Michigan or Ohio have almost 0 care about those 2 teams playing. I can't prove it, but from anecdotal stories and conversations, it's like that in many, many other places as well. That's why I said non big 10 fans. Most ratings success that game gets I'd bet is mostly due to both those states being among the largest in population in the entire country, throwing in other big 10 fans, and huge alum numbers. By and large, people in the south, Texas, Oklahoma, and the west don't care all that much about Michigan and Ohio.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Hey man, I think Michigan played Alabama in 2012 the week before we played ND, and the Ohio State game always gets pretty good ratings.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see Michigan play more OOC games like Texas, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Oregon, etc., just not at the expense of ND. I don't see why you can't just drop some MAC snack for a real game. I really think the college football world will be moving to that with the power conferences forming and a push for a real playoff in the future. Hopefully the MAC snacks and FCS/D-II will be a thing of the past for the B1G and SEC.

The big BCS scools all do 7 home games (or in ND's case 6 home and a neutral site). Dropping the lower tier programs basically requires a 6 & 6 schedule. With expanding conference slates I think it's going to be hard to move away from those.

 

[TomHaverford]

True. But that's a rarity that they play games against Alabama or others of that ilk. That's why I said playing ND is essentially the only game.

I'm not being an asshole here, but honestly, people who live in Nashville that aren't from Michigan or Ohio have almost 0 care about those 2 teams playing. I can't prove it, but from anecdotal stories and conversations, it's like that in many, many other places as well. That's why I said non big 10 fans. Most ratings success that game gets I'd bet is mostly due to both those states being among the largest in population in the entire country, throwing in other big 10 fans, and huge alum numbers. By and large, people in the south, Texas, Oklahoma, and the west don't care all that much about Michigan and Ohio.

Michigan and Ohio State are two of the top 3 biggest programs in terms of national fan base. Notre Dame is the other. I've run into Michigan and Ohio fans just about everywhere that I've been. I think a lot of that has to do with the mass exodus of people from those states to the Southeast and West, also has to do with alumni base. Those schools have ginormous alumni base and it's spread all over the country.

 

[ulukinatme]

Hey man, I think Michigan played Alabama in 2012 the week before we played ND, and the Ohio State game always gets pretty good ratings.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see Michigan play more OOC games like Texas, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Oregon, etc., just not at the expense of ND. I don't see why you can't just drop some MAC snack for a real game. I really think the college football world will be moving to that with the power conferences forming and a push for a real playoff in the future. Hopefully the MAC snacks and FCS/D-II will be a thing of the past for the B1G and SEC.

I'm not sure the SEC will drop their FCS opponents just yet. Not till we see what 4 teams the selection committee will pick for the new playoff. Some SEC coaches have already gone on record to say that the playoff should include 2-3 SEC teams some years based on the strength of the conference and what not. Their argument goes back towards years like 2011 where Bama and LSU were #1 and #2 despite already meeting prior in the year, and they make a case for whatever team is beaten in the SEC championship being deserving of going too. To be honest, if the SEC is as tough as they say it is, they really should drop the FCS opponents. Then again...there's nothing sweeter than seeing a Div 1 team drop games to an FCS opponent like last year.

 

[irishog77]

Michigan and Ohio State are two of the top 3 biggest programs in terms of national fan base. Notre Dame is the other. I've run into Michigan and Ohio fans just about everywhere that I've been. I think a lot of that has to do with the mass exodus of people from those states to the Southeast and West, also has to do with alumni base. Those schools have ginormous alumni base and it's spread all over the country.

Right. I somewhat alluded to that in my post. Their fan base (like almost all) is made up of people from that state, or alumni. Each state and school is among the largest in both regards.

But people who are born in Tennessee or Texas, separate from familial ties to the state and/or school, aren't growing up as fans of either of those schools.

So while people in Texas may be watching those teams play against other, those people amount to a minute number compared to the rest of the state. The average Texan doesn't give a shit about the game.

 

[]\/[GoBlue]

Right. I somewhat alluded to that in my post. Their fan base (like almost all) is made up of people from that state, or alumni. Each state and school is among the largest in both regards.

But people who are born in Tennessee or Texas, separate from familial ties to the state and/or school, aren't growing up as fans of either of those schools.

So while people in Texas may be watching those teams play against other, those people amount to a minute number compared to the rest of the state. The average Texan doesn't give a shit about the game.

Oddly enough, I was born and raised in Tennessee, and always loved U of M. Most bars down here will carry the UM v osu game as their marquee game, and it's normally got a fair amount of interest from the UT fans.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rivalry?src=hash">#Rivalry</a>. MT <a href="https://twitter.com/DavidFox615">@DavidFox615</a> UM DE Frank Clark on visiting ND: "I've never seen so many middle fingers. I thought that was a Christian school."</p>— Tyler James (@TJamesNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/TJamesNDI/statuses/493802298574143488">July 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I call bullshit, Clark. The atmosphere in our stadium is frequently (and unfortunately) compared to Wimbledon, and the Irish are legendary for welcoming rival fans and opposing teams. I don't doubt that Michigan players get a frostier reception than most, but there's no way these guys are getting flipped off by a significant number of people.

I disagree. I think it's a big game from a national perspective and that it does a lot for both programs.

Fortuna's tweet was right on. As other's have pointed out, ND is regularly the only significant non-conference game that UM plays. No one outside of the Midwest gives a damn about the series. Playing yet another regional opponent does nothing to boost ND's recruiting efforts, whereas an annual game in Texas or the South definitely would.

This series is understandably important to Michigan, but let's not exaggerate its significance for the Irish. We've played USC, Navy, MSU and Purdue far more frequently than UM. Of all our rivals, UM is only one that's well and truly hated by a strong majority of Irish supporters (with good reason). On a personal note, I went to the Big House as a sophomore to see the game in 2003. We lost 38-0. I had beer poured over my head by a Walmart Wolverine as I was leaving the stadium, and I caught a beer bottle in the back of the head on my walk back to the bus. Still have the scar.

Ending the series hurts UM and helps ND. I see no downside here.

Sorry I'm not sorry.

 

[irishog77]

Oddly enough, I was born and raised in Tennessee, and always loved U of M. Most bars down here will carry the UM v osu game as their marquee game, and it's normally got a fair amount of interest from the UT fans.

I call BS.

The michigan-osu game is usually the early game of the day. It also almost always coincides with tennessee-vandy or tennessee-ky (usually an early game as well), as well as alabama-auburn, florida-fsu, south carolina-clemson, georgi-georgia tech, and others. No way utjr fans care more about michigan-osu than those other games. If michigan-osu ever gets "marquee" status it's only because it's the only game on at the moment. When another game starts, a game people care about, then it loses its marquee status.

Hell, I very nearly got into 2 separate fights in Knoxville trying to have ONE television, of like eleven, tuned into a ND-MSU game....at a fucking TGI Friday's.

 

[greyhammer90]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rivalry?src=hash">#Rivalry</a>. MT <a href="https://twitter.com/DavidFox615">@DavidFox615</a> UM DE Frank Clark on visiting ND: "I've never seen so many middle fingers. I thought that was a Christian school."</p>— Tyler James (@TJamesNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/TJamesNDI/statuses/493802298574143488">July 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Good. We need more of that.

 

[Johannes]

I call bullshit, Clark. The atmosphere in our stadium is frequently (and unfortunately) compared to Wimbledon, and the Irish are legendary for welcoming rival fans and opposing teams. I don't doubt that Michigan players get a frostier reception than most, but there's no way these guys are getting flipped off by a significant number of people.

Maybe he saw me watching the game from my living room.

This one's for you, Clark!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Maybe he saw me watching the game from my living room.

Through your solo Polo peeper?