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Hey! MAN! This negativity will not stand. Now get your positive shit together and get in the game! OK? C'mon!!!!
Its gonna be raining TDs this year!
'16 LA QB Shea Patterson (Ole Miss Verbal)
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Hey! MAN! This negativity will not stand. Now get your positive shit together and get in the game! OK? C'mon!!!!
Its gonna be raining TDs this year!
ThePiombino
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Some people like to put stock in the fact that our "elite" '16 QB may not have even been identified yet. Like how BB wasn't considered elite when ND first started targeting him last year. My point on that is two-fold: 1) we can't assume that just because we struck lighting in a bottle last year with finding a diamond in the rough, that it will happen again this year and 2) even if it does, that's no guarantee that it ends well for ND anyway.
I am frustrated, so yes - that is a large reason for the previous post. But I just have a really bad feeling about QB recruiting and I honestly don't understand why we're having a hard time and can't land "our" guy. BK was able to do much more in Cinci with kids far less talented (coming out of HS) than the likes of kids we're going after now. What's the issue? Is it simply a matter of putting out a good product on the field this year and they'll come crawling? Or is there some bigger stigma ND needs to erase?
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The last 3-4 years, any recruit that has followed college football has watched Tommy Rees run a dumbed down, conservative offense that didn't operate outside of 15 yards from the line of scrimmage. They also saw a completely inept Hendrix, and even in '12 they saw Golson run a very conservative offense that leaned more towards not losing games and trying to win with the running game and defense.
Pretty safe to say most of the 16 yr old kids kids who will be HS seniors next year weren't following Brian Kelly and watching Cincy football 5 years ago.
Lets let the year play out, put together a few seasons of more prolific offensive play and see how things work themselves out. We definitely need a '16 QB, but barring injury we still have quite a bit of eligibility left on the roster with a few good ones already on campus.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Shrewd move by <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LSU?src=hash">#LSU</a>'s Les Miles to hire Sean Patterson as graduate assistant away from Arizona where his brother Shea has been committed.</p>— Will Weathers (@TigerBaitWill) <a href="https://twitter.com/TigerBaitWill/statuses/491685786454999041">July 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Shrewd move by <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LSU?src=hash">#LSU</a>'s Les Miles to hire Sean Patterson as graduate assistant away from Arizona where his brother Shea has been committed.</p>— Will Weathers (@TigerBaitWill) <a href="https://twitter.com/TigerBaitWill/statuses/491685786454999041">July 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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"S-E-C!!!"
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It's a small world. All of my best friends played basketball against Sean Patterson growing up in Toledo's CYO.
GoldenDomer
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CYO. Nothing better than that.
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he is a kid from PA ...great offers, a lil short but dual threat...and he has the grades
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You can also say he took a guy that didn't know his head from his ass to a title game and got 3,000+ yards and 20+ TDs last year from a guy who throws like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds.
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And there goes our current "best shot". Really hard to remain optimistic when the wind repeatedly gets taken from our sails. Really hoping Golson goes HAM this year. It's gonna be our only reasonable shot at turning the heads of any of these '16 QBs.
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Didn't Notre Dame do this exact same thing with KC McDermott's brother?
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Franks is a top baseball prospect and LSU does have a concern that he might choose the MLB over them if he's picked high enough in the draft.
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That's right. I remember that now. Thanks.
STLDomer
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This + they like Patterson more anyways.
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Are you really that concerned about kids entering their Junior year in HS? I remember this time last year their was a plurality that wanted Jack Beneventi. Hell, Barnett was an after thought in some circles this time last year. In other words, there will be other major QB's and some we think are major now will not appear to be as good this time next year.
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We are still major players with Jawon Pass and Malik Henry. In top group for both of them. Frustration minimized.
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Yes. Yes I am. Other schools land their keystone recruit (often a QB) VERY early in the process which often leads to a positive shift in recruiting momentum which can easily be the difference between an A+ class and a B- class. ND has enough of an uphill battle to fight WITHOUT one of these guys in the fold. Not to mention everyone was saying that with the BB loss and apparent lack of landing a '15 QB that we would, without a doubt, land a top-tier QB in '16. Well, unless I'm missing something, EVERY elite QB in the class is either committed, about to commit, or leaning elsewhere. So yes- yes I am THAT concerned.
And there it is...
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Just like we were in the top group for Waller, our BB consolation prize? Open your eyes, people.
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Just like that, yes.
There are differences this time. We don't have 7 months of ground to make up because a QB fucked us over with a de-commitment, losing the vast majority of our QB targets to other schools during that QBs commitment. Also, with Waller, the dude never even visited; Henry and Pass both have. Waller was all Oregon but had to wait for the offer.
Not saying we will "land" Pass or Henry, but we are in a great position too.
Furthermore, I know QBs like to commit early, but it's still REALLY early. These kids aren't even juniors yet... There are usually a few who shoot up through the rankings as late risers.
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The Waller situation has nothing to go with Pass or Henry on any level. If we miss on them, it had nothing to do with other QB situations.
IMO, we'll get and keep a good QB if we have a good year.
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Point was discussed earlier
Today's Fun Facts
Today's Fun Facts
Not that this is lost on anyone here, but Kelly has no track record of recruiting, developing and keeping top ranked QB recruits. This might be a more serious recruiting hurdle than we are acknowledging. I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm hopeful he can. I'm hoping that the on field failures of Crist and off field failures with Kiel are anecdotal and not indicative of a coaching flaw. I dare say that when you are recruiting ***** QBs, they want to know how you've done with ***** QBs. As we know, he has had some success developing lesser talented prospects into serviceable NCAA QBs. Perhaps... that will be his legacy.
Recruiting Rankings of the QBs at Cincinnati and Notre Dame under Kelly.
Recruited at Cincinnati:
Inherited at Cincinnati:
Of course during his reign at ND things have been a bit different but far from ideal.
Inherited at ND:
Recruited at ND:
In conclusion, the most successful QB recruit in Kelly's career is probably Zach Collaros, although he only played 1/2 season for Kelly. He was 1st team BigEast after Kelly left and has gone on to a successful career in the CFL. Ben Mauk was never really healthy or successful at Wake Forest, and had a fine 2007 season with Kelly. He never did anything worth noting professionally. Although not a Kelly recruit, Tony Pike was a two year starter for Kelly, was first team BigEast and a 6th round draft pick with one NFL game to his credit. He is out of football.
As well all know too well, the rails went off Dayne Crist's development somewhere. He went from a highly touted HS recruit with a solid rs SO campaign to an afterthought who saw declining performance as a JR and as a SR at Kansas. He never really competed for an NFL job and is out of football.
Tommy Rees is more the prototype of a Kelly QB in terms of his profile and makeup. His career is actually less impressive than Collaros or Pike. Despite being a multi-year starter he never earned any post season accolades or made an NFL camp.
Everett Golson certainly has the opportunity in 2014 (and 2015 for that matter) to change the perspective on Kelly as a QB developer, but I still want to point out that he was only a *** recruit.
Today's Fun Facts
Not that this is lost on anyone here, but Kelly has no track record of recruiting, developing and keeping top ranked QB recruits. This might be a more serious recruiting hurdle than we are acknowledging. I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm hopeful he can. I'm hoping that the on field failures of Crist and off field failures with Kiel are anecdotal and not indicative of a coaching flaw. I dare say that when you are recruiting ***** QBs, they want to know how you've done with ***** QBs. As we know, he has had some success developing lesser talented prospects into serviceable NCAA QBs. Perhaps... that will be his legacy.
Recruiting Rankings of the QBs at Cincinnati and Notre Dame under Kelly.
Recruited at Cincinnati:
- 2003 Ben Mauk, #48 PRO, ***, committed to and played for Wake Forest, and as a graduated senior he transferred prior to the start of Kelly's 2007 first year at Cincinnati.
- 2007 Chazz Anderson, #26 DT, low ***
- 2007 Zach Collaros, #28 DT, low ***
- 2008 Brendon Kay, unranked, **
- 2010 Munchie Legaux, #12 DT, high *** committed after Kelly left
- 2010 Cody Kater, unranked, low ***, committed after Kelly left
Inherited at Cincinnati:
- 2004 Dustin Grutza, unranked **
- 2005 Tony Pike, I couldn't find any recruiting info about him. I have no idea why. I guess he was injured his senior year in HS, he only received scholarship offers from Toledo and Cincinnati (before Kelly).
Of course during his reign at ND things have been a bit different but far from ideal.
Inherited at ND:
- 2008 Dayne Crist, #2 PRO *****
- Prior to accepting the ND job, he had 2010 commitments from:
- 2010 Tommy Rees, #31 PRO ***
- 2010 Andrew Hendrix, #13 PRO ****
Recruited at ND:
- 2010 Luke Massa, #28 PRO *** (BTW - the list of guys Kelly got commitments from upon arrival is brutal in terms of production - Austin Collinsworth, Tate Nichols, Derek Roback, Luke Massa, Danny Spond, Matt James, Kona Schwenke, Bruce Heggie. I'm not saying it's easy to get commits after getting the job with two months left, but good lord that's a brutal list.)
- 2011 Everett Golson, #16 DT ***
- 2012 Gunner Kiel, #1 PRO *****, transferred before playing
- 2013 Malik Zaire, #10 DT ****
- 2014 DeShone Kizer, #12 PRO ****
In conclusion, the most successful QB recruit in Kelly's career is probably Zach Collaros, although he only played 1/2 season for Kelly. He was 1st team BigEast after Kelly left and has gone on to a successful career in the CFL. Ben Mauk was never really healthy or successful at Wake Forest, and had a fine 2007 season with Kelly. He never did anything worth noting professionally. Although not a Kelly recruit, Tony Pike was a two year starter for Kelly, was first team BigEast and a 6th round draft pick with one NFL game to his credit. He is out of football.
As well all know too well, the rails went off Dayne Crist's development somewhere. He went from a highly touted HS recruit with a solid rs SO campaign to an afterthought who saw declining performance as a JR and as a SR at Kansas. He never really competed for an NFL job and is out of football.
Tommy Rees is more the prototype of a Kelly QB in terms of his profile and makeup. His career is actually less impressive than Collaros or Pike. Despite being a multi-year starter he never earned any post season accolades or made an NFL camp.
Everett Golson certainly has the opportunity in 2014 (and 2015 for that matter) to change the perspective on Kelly as a QB developer, but I still want to point out that he was only a *** recruit.
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Brutal? I don't look at this list and get that interpretation.
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I may be off base, but I think there are a lot of kids that just don't want to play QB for Kelly. He didn't do himself any favors turning into a beet on the sidelines and you know other coaches are using that against us. I understand BK has toned down his sideline demeanor, but you only get one chance to make a first impression and his first impression on the sidelines wasn't a good one. As mentioned earlier running a conservative office hasn't helped either. Let's hope things get opened up this season which will help.
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I laughed at this. Have you ever seen Saban, Mora, Stoops, Muschamp, etc on the sideline? They ain't no virgin ear lasses blushing at a cuss word. They are in there players faces screaming and yelling just as much as Kelly if not more so.