'16 WA QB Jacob Eason (Georgia Verbal)

[GoldenDomer]

We will see him down the line... Notre Dame and UGA commits don't mix.

 

[WestCoast]

You guys worried about landing an elite QB need to relax. One of these days ND will have a 5* QB pop up in its backyard. Strong arm, mobile and a thick chest. He'll jump on the home-state ND offer, no drama and once at ND would never think of transferring.

Our big break will come soon enough. We just gotta keep our eyes open.

 

[STLDomer]

I remember this time last year, an elite QB was a "sure thing" then too.

We have good QB's on the roster now, but landing a quality '16 QB has to be a priority. Sucks to see a legacy commit elsewhere already. It's super early though. Who knows.

Actually at this time last year we were taking about who we preferred between Beneventi and Morgan with dreams but never actual expectations of Rosen and Torrace Gibson.

 

[BeauBenken]

Actually at this time last year we were taking about who we preferred between Beneventi and Morgan with dreams but never actual expectations of Rosen and Torrace Gibson.

Seriously, this time last year did anyone even know who Blake Barnett was?

 

[STLDomer]

Seriously, this time last year did anyone even know who Blake Barnett was?

Nope. I didn't. His thread wasn't created till October. He was not in the original '15 QB Thread. I remember one of the pay sites teased that a Cali QB was visiting and multiple posters were disappointed it was Barnett whom most had never heard of and not Rosen or White haha.

 

[FrankMA]

Not trying to start a fire here, but who the hell thinks Kizer is elite? Seriously. Can you name a single "expert" or insider?

For that matter who said Malik is elite?
We certainly are not in the mix for any 15 elite QB.
Is there anyone who says we are leaders for any elite QB for 16?

 

[Grahambo]

Kizer/Malik > Any 2016 QB

Zaire is "pushing" EG for the starting nod currently. Which 2016 QB can do that right now?


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[BeauBenken]

Kizer/Malik > Any 2016 QB

Zaire is "pushing" EG for the starting nod currently. Which 2016 QB can do that right now?


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I took the liberty to change "Kizer is 'pushing' EG..." to "Zaire is 'pushing' EG..." I figured that's what you meant.

 

[woolybug25]

Kizer/Malik > Any 2016 QB

Zaire is "pushing" EG for the starting nod currently. Which 2016 QB can do that right now?


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We still need a strong '16 QB, my man. Who is supposed to push Malik/Kizer when they are upperclassmen?


And how can everyone be saying that Kizer/Malik are better than every '16 QB? That's crazy. This is a super deep QB class full of talented kids. To say that none of them is capable of being better than two QB's that we haven't seen play a down of college football seems strange to me.

Regardless, we have to continue to restock the shelf at QB. I remember a time when we had two five star QB's on our roster and everyone figured we had nothing to worry about. Then Clausen left early and Crist faltered. It's important to keep the cupboard stocked.

 

[NDinL.A.]

We most definitely need a very strong QB FOR 2016. With Blake decommitting and no other 2015 on the horizon, I don't see how anyone can say otherwise.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

We most definitely need a very strong QB FOR 2016. With Blake decommitting and no other 2015 on the horizon, I don't see how anyone can say otherwise.

Agreed. I thought that was a good move on the staffs part. No one wants a transfer out.

LA, you have a good handle on this, but to almost everyone else :

What is your'all point? That the sky is falling?

It isn't; and you can't compare a recruit with 18 months to signing day to a player in camp.

As far as Zaire, he was what, number three or so in his Elite Eleven class? And everyone gave Kizer great grades at the camp. Go back and look at what Trent Dilfer said. Kizer was what, the only three sport man in his Elite Eleven class? How many players do you know that make All-State in a State like Ohio, in all three sports? I am not going to defend Kizer, but I have personally seen him throw an in-stride touchdown pass where the ball is in the air for over 60 yards. I have also seen and heard more than enough with his leadership to know he has the qualities NDinLA referenced in his post. He also has "IT." And he can run the ball. He will be a team player, and will not transfer.

And the last thing I will say is that one of the coaches asked him what he would do if the linebackers dropped seven or eight yards into coverage. He replied that he would tuck the ball and get a first down.

I am a bit frustrated that we don't have an elite prospect, but I think LA is right; ND needs to show some offensive firepower out of the gate, and we will have interest renewed. I think that is true of many positions. On defense, previously we have played a lot of zone; what elite man-on player is going to want to sign up for that. This year if BVG's defense dazzles, and makes Russel, Riggs, etc., stars, and particularly if Mathias Farley excels, we are going to have elite prospects knocking the Gug's doors down. Where a few years ago, we couldn't get a top corner.

 

[CarrollVermin]

It's too bad Touchdown Tommy doesn't have any eligibility left.

 

[STLDomer]

Kizer/Malik > Any 2016 QB

Zaire is "pushing" EG for the starting nod currently. Which 2016 QB can do that right now?


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This makes no sense to me.

 

[irishfan]

Kizer/Malik > Any 2016 QB

Zaire is "pushing" EG for the starting nod currently. Which 2016 QB can do that right now?


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I don't think any of the upcoming juniors in high school would be pushing EG for the starting spot right now either.

By this logic, Tommy Rees > any 2016 QB

 

[GoldenDomer]

Wait so how do we know that Kizer or Zaire wont be elite???

 

[woolybug25]

Wait so how do we know that Kizer or Zaire wont be elite???

Who said that? I don't see a single post that makes that assumption.

 

[Grahambo]

We still need a strong '16 QB, my man. Who is supposed to push Malik/Kizer when they are upperclassmen?





And how can everyone be saying that Kizer/Malik are better than every '16 QB? That's crazy. This is a super deep QB class full of talented kids. To say that none of them is capable of being better than two QB's that we haven't seen play a down of college football seems strange to me.



Regardless, we have to continue to restock the shelf at QB. I remember a time when we had two five star QB's on our roster and everyone figured we had nothing to worry about. Then Clausen left early and Crist faltered. It's important to keep the cupboard stocked.

I know we do. I want one every year. I don't like missing out this cycle.

I never said they aren't capable but I'll worry about a kid from 2016...in 2016. Zaire/Kizer have a shit ton of potential and ability. I'm not ready to write them off.

Agreed. I thought that was a good move on the staffs part. No one wants a transfer out.



LA, you have a good handle on this, but to almost everyone else :



What is your'all point? That the sky is falling?



It isn't; and you can't compare a recruit with 18 months to signing day to a player in camp.



As far as Zaire, he was what, number three or so in his Elite Eleven class? And everyone gave Kizer great grades at the camp. Go back and look at what Trent Dilfer said. Kizer was what, the only three sport man in his Elite Eleven class? How many players do you know that make All-State in a State like Ohio, in all three sports? I am not going to defend Kizer, but I have personally seen him throw an in-stride touchdown pass where the ball is in the air for over 60 yards. I have also seen and heard more than enough with his leadership to know he has the qualities NDinLA referenced in his post. He also has "IT." And he can run the ball. He will be a team player, and will not transfer.



And the last thing I will say is that one of the coaches asked him what he would do if the linebackers dropped seven or eight yards into coverage. He replied that he would tuck the ball and get a first down.



I am a bit frustrated that we don't have an elite prospect, but I think LA is right; ND needs to show some offensive firepower out of the gate, and we will have interest renewed. I think that is true of many positions. On defense, previously we have played a lot of zone; what elite man-on player is going to want to sign up for that. This year if BVG's defense dazzles, and makes Russel, Riggs, etc., stars, and particularly if Mathias Farley excels, we are going to have elite prospects knocking the Gug's doors down. Where a few years ago, we couldn't get a top corner.

All of this. Except I was being a smartass about it.


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[Grahambo]

Not trying to start a fire here, but who the hell thinks Kizer is elite? Seriously. Can you name a single "expert" or insider?

For that matter who said Malik is elite?

We certainly are not in the mix for any 15 elite QB.

Is there anyone who says we are leaders for any elite QB for 16?

Who said that? I don't see a single post that makes that assumption.

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[GoldenDomer]

Who said that? I don't see a single post that makes that assumption.

There are posts saying nobody is calling them elite and we need an elite 2016 QB

 

[woolybug25]

While borderline, neither of those posts claim that Kizer won't become elite. Just that no one is saying that he currently is elite. Which is totally fair, considering the fact that he hasn't played a down of college football yet.


My whole point in this thread is that it's very important to get a solid '16 QB. Not because I don't have high hopes for Malik/Kizer, but because you have to keep the cupboard stocked with talent. Who knows, either or both could end up not being our answer at QB. Or maybe both are stars. We don't know what the future holds, but the fact that they both will eventually leave ND is a certainty. So we will need to land their eventual successor, and since we seem to be passing on that in '15, we HAVE to land one in '16.

 

[Grahambo]

While borderline, neither of those posts claim that Kizer won't become elite. Just that no one is saying that he currently is elite. Which is totally fair, considering the fact that he hasn't played a down of college football yet.


My whole point in this thread is that it's very important to get a solid '16 QB. Not because I don't have high hopes for Malik/Kizer, but because you have to keep the cupboard stocked with talent. Who knows, either or both could end up not being our answer at QB. Or maybe both are stars. We don't know what the future holds, but the fact that they both will eventually leave ND is a certainty. So we will need to land their eventual successor, and since we seem to be passing on that in '15, we HAVE to land one in '16.

I can say the same about the "elite" 2016 high schoolers. (Just giving a hard time. Still waiting for your text too.)

I 1000% agree. I never said 2016 wasn't a must for getting a QB. Again, I want one EVERY cycle. My point was Zaire/Kizer are more then capable of being elite.


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[DawgCountry]

He looks like Tom Brady throwing the ball.

I'll take that all day

 

[BobbyMac]

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Face it guys, there is a log jam at the position (good thing)... and yes, it's a shame because if there wasn't, ND most likely would have landed someone from this loaded class.

Nobody, especially an elite recruit, wants to go to a school where they KNOW they are going to sit for years... and '16 QB's are looking at guaranteed time on the sidelines too. Zaire is going to be the QB through '17, he's not transferring even if he fails to beat Golson out as starter in '14 and '15. He gets the ND experience and what it means for the rest of his life. This I know as fact. As good as the class of '15 QB's are, nobody was going to unseat him when he has two years in the system.

'16 is the class you want to find a QB to compete with Kizer. It most likely won't be a top 5 guy as there will be places like Oregon and Bama where the starter will be leaving and the recruit will be able to realistically compete from day one. ND does not offer that... thankfully.

Eason is the wrong peg for ND's hole. Don't ask for another Kiel. They are both going to put up big numbers in their programs but they aren't what ND needs. Malik Henry would be more like it but he will probably find a school where his path to starting isn't blocked.

Lastly, let's all remember that GREAT HS QB's with names like Mirer, Powlus, Quinn, Clausen and Kiel have gone to South Bend since a CBK kinda QB won a National Championship. Fact.

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[drake29]

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Face it guys, there is a log jam at the position (good thing)... and yes, it's a shame because if there wasn't, ND most likely would have landed someone from this loaded class.

Nobody, especially an elite recruit, wants to go to a school where they KNOW they are going to sit for years... and '16 QB's are looking at guaranteed time on the sidelines too. Zaire is going to be the QB through '17, he's not transferring even if he fails to beat Golson out as starter in '14 and '15. He gets the ND experience and what it means for the rest of his life. This I know as fact. As good as the class of '15 QB's are, nobody was going to unseat him when he has two years in the system.

'16 is the class you want to find a QB to compete with Kizer. It most likely won't be a top 5 guy as there will be places like Oregon and Bama where the starter will be leaving and the recruit will be able to realistically compete from day one. ND does not offer that... thankfully.

Eason is the wrong peg for ND's hole. Don't ask for another Kiel. They are both going to put up big numbers in their programs but they aren't what ND needs. Malik Henry would be more like it but he will probably find a school where his path to starting isn't blocked.

Lastly, let's all remember that GREAT HS QB's with names like Mirer, Powlus, Quinn, Clausen and Kiel have gone to South Bend since a CBK kinda QB won a National Championship. Fact.

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I don't understand why people keep making this comparison between Eason and Kiel. Kiel is a flake that changed schools like he changed his socks - but by most accounts he is the kind of QB that BK wants to run his offense. Solid mobility but a passer first. To say that Eason wouldn't help ND get back (or stay) in the playoff picture is ridiculous. Secondly, most QBs coming out of HS realize they will sit a minimum of 2 years before getting any serious PT. Some may only sit one year but you can't really say ND is stacked at QB when you don't truly know what you have in Zaire and Kizer. Hell, I've never even been a huge fan of Golson. He's going to have to take a huge step forward for this team to win 10 games this year.

 

[BobbyMac]

I don't understand why people keep making this comparison between Eason and Kiel. Kiel is a flake that changed schools like he changed his socks - but by most accounts he is the kind of QB that BK wants to run his offense. Solid mobility but a passer first. To say that Eason wouldn't help ND get back (or stay) in the playoff picture is ridiculous. Secondly, most QBs coming out of HS realize they will sit a minimum of 2 years before getting any serious PT. Some may only sit one year but you can't really say ND is stacked at QB when you don't truly know what you have in Zaire and Kizer. Hell, I've never even been a huge fan of Golson. He's going to have to take a huge step forward for this team to win 10 games this year.

To be more clear... ND doesn't need a QB that is heavily pass first or that expects to put up the type of passing yards that will make NFL scouts drool. ND is well on its way to building a line that'll be an absolute road grader for at least the next 5 years. Taking away reps from the run game to cater to your throw first QB is not the best plan, especially if Folston and Bryant are half as good as we think.

That being said, I agree that Gunner could have been good in ND's system. I saw him in high school and he reminded me a lot of Jay Cutler. Big arm, very mobile but in my opinion not what ND really needed. I would have to imagine Kiel wants to post big passing yards, just like Eason will. Eason chose a school where he will not be stuck behind players that fit the system better than he does. He wants to be NFL ready with no questions about offensive scheme run by his college team. It's also telling that he didn't chose a PAC school... There are some that would fit his strengths but were they already loaded with top QB prospects and UGA offered a pro style system with less road blocks in front of him?

Anyways, that's my take.

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[ResLife Hero]

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[GoldenToTheGrave]

Can't really blame the guy for going to Georgia. There's really few other places in CFB where he'll get as big a chance to shine against top competition in a pro-style offense. Even if he went to Bama, they run the ball so much nobody gives their QBs much credit. QB's at USC often get the knock that they don't play enough good defenses. He could have been a star at ND, but Kelly still prefers a mobile quarterback if possible.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

He could have been a star at ND, but Kelly still prefers a mobile quarterback if possible.

Absolutely. Would much rather have a DT QB without Eason's alleged baggage.

 

[BobbyMac]

Absolutely. Would much rather have a DT QB without Eason's alleged baggage.

All I'm looking for is Tony Rice Jr. Screw the stats, give me a winner. I have a feeling his name is Malik Zaire who lead the Irish to a National Championship in '16....

...even if that means handing off to the best running game in the country behind the nation's best OL.

 

[GBdomer]

All I'm looking for is Tony Rice Jr. Screw the stats, give me a winner. I have a feeling his name is Malik Zaire who lead the Irish to a National Championship in '16....

...even if that means handing off to the best running game in the country behind the nation's best OL.

Wait, what?