Father beats daughter's rapist to death, won't be charged

[Corry]

I'm not in favor of the death penalty, but as a recent father, I have no issue with what the father did.

 

[dad4aa]

Heres something to consider...

If this girl was 18 and killed the man in self defense herself, would there be any discussion? Why is it different that the father stepped in to protect a 5 year old that couldn't defend herself?

Well, according to clashmore_jon, she should be arrested as well. In an earlier post he said that she should beat him enough to stop the attack but then should stop once he no longer poses a threat and should not beat him to death (I'm paraphrasing because I don't want to go back through all the comments to find the exact post).

 

[phork]

The girl shouldn't have worn such a short skirt and tempted the man in the first place.

 

[Kingbish01]

Florida Father Beats Accused Child Abuser | NBC 6 South Florida


I love it, wish I could by this Dad a beer!

 

[Booslum31]

Florida Father Beats Accused Child Abuser | NBC 6 South Florida


I love it, wish I could by this Dad a beer!

Or buy him a beer...but I'm with you!

 

[GoldenDomer]

ummm. so murder is ok on this board or what? that's what the guy did. He got pissed off an MURDERED someone. and no i don't believve it was self defense, as the guy wasnt posing a threat of killing them.

i know you're all gonna say 'oh yeah yeah i'd do this if it were my daughter'. and i totally get that. but if you do it, you deserve to go to jail.

Dear god...

 

[bkess8]

ummm. so murder is ok on this board or what? that's what the guy did. He got pissed off an MURDERED someone. and no i don't believve it was self defense, as the guy wasnt posing a threat of killing them.

i know you're all gonna say 'oh yeah yeah i'd do this if it were my daughter'. and i totally get that. but if you do it, you deserve to go to jail.

It really pisses me off how stupid you are!

 

[GoldenDomer]

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Both of you, if you're going to insult a poster's reasonable and thoughtful post, you could at least take some damn time to explain why you so vigorously disagree with it


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[GoldenDomer]

Both of you, if you're going to insult a poster's reasonable and thoughtful post, you could at least take some damn time to explain why you so vigorously disagree with it


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If you rape a 5 year old, you don't deserve the privilege of existence. A life in prison does not do the justice. I don't mind someone speeding up the process.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

If you rape a 5 year old, you don't deserve the privilege of existence. A life in prison does not do the justice. I don't mind someone speeding up the process.

I'm not going to get into too much of a back and forth here because I don't think there is much to be gained either way but I do have some questions.

Since when is living a privilege? I thought it was a right protected by the due process of law.

Am I unreasonable and deserving of eye rolling or snickering because I think that this was a case of murder?

So if someone rapes a 5 year I can purposefully kill them. What about an 8 year old? A 13 year old? A 20 year old? What if he just assaulted her? Do you make the decision when it's okay to kill? Do I?


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[ResLife Hero]

If you rape a 5 year old, you don't deserve the privilege of existence. A life in prison does not do the justice. I don't mind someone speeding up the process.

I don't even want to get into this, but I will because I'm an idiot.

I agree that if you rape a 5 year old, you have crossed every human boundary that I can think of. However, reactionary killings without due process should be allotted no amnesty in our legal system except for instances of mental defect, whether temporary or permanent.

If this guy did it, then plainly, I hate him. I hope every inmate works him over in the shower room while he waits to fry on death row. But I have a hard time when the process doesn't get a chance to play out.

Not defending or condemning the beliefs of any posters in this instance. I just think that you should have to prove someone is guilty before you (or the state) can harm them in retaliation.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I don't even want to get into this, but I will because I'm an idiot.

I agree that if you rape a 5 year old, you have crossed every human boundary that I can think of. However, reactionary killings without due process should be allotted no amnesty in our legal system except for instances of mental defect, whether temporary or permanent.

If this guy did it, then plainly, I hate him. I hope every inmate works him over in the shower room while he waits to fry on death row. But I have a hard time when the process doesn't get a chance to play out.

Not defending or condemning the beliefs of any posters in this instance. I just think that you should have to prove someone is guilty before you (or the state) can harm them in retaliation.

 

[GoldenDomer]

I'm not going to get into too much of a back and forth here because I don't think there is much to be gained either way but I do have some questions.

Since when is living a privilege? I thought it was a right protected by the due process of law.

Am I unreasonable and deserving of eye rolling or snickering because I think that this was a case of murder?

So if someone rapes a 5 year I can purposefully kill them. What about an 8 year old? A 13 year old? A 20 year old? What if he just assaulted her? Do you make the decision when it's okay to kill? Do I?


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I welcome you to pay the price of death by lethal injection. I don't care to.

 

[Grahambo]

Some of you are not as smart as you think you are.


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[GoldenDomer]

Personally, I think we go to firing squad on death row. You guys who think the child rapist should get some time to explain himself can have that, without the tax dollars spent.

 

[DillonHall]

Personally, I think we go to firing squad on death row. You guys who think the child rapist should get some time to explain himself can have that, without the tax dollars spent.

I'm happy with the result of the situation, but I'm not sure the right path was taken to get there. I'm not so sure it's the black/white issue that you make it out to be.

 

[GoldenDomer]

I'm happy with the result of the situation, but I'm not sure the right path was taken to get there. I'm not so sure it's the black/white issue that you make it out to be.

Maybe not all the time, but this case is pretty black and white

 

[johnnycando]

I would troll the world looking for rapists of children if I lost my daughters like the father whose baby girl was taken from him.

I would straight Ghost Rider their ass.

Fuck what you, your law think about it.

Right now I love by it. But if I lost everything, then you can have your law, The Lord can judge my soul.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I would troll the world looking for rapists of children if I lost my daughters like the father whose baby girl was taken from him.

I would straight Ghost Rider their ass.

Fuck what you, your law think about it.

Right now I love by it. But if I lost everything, then you can have your law, The Lord can judge my soul.

Do you submit that you should still be judged by the law, though? I'm not saying you wouldn't be justified nor that I know what The Lord would have to say because I surely do not know. My question is does losing everything important to you indemnify you when you remove someone else from this world?

I say no.

Again, not saying that what's in your heart is corrupt or even wrong, just that if the law is abandoned when its most needed then what's the point

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Some of you are not as smart as you think you are.


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¿Que?

Who isn't?

 

[Corry]

I would straight Ghost Rider their ass.

LOL

 

[johnnycando]

Do you submit that you should still be judged by the law, though? I'm not saying you wouldn't be justified nor that I know what The Lord would have to say because I surely do not know. My question is does losing everything important to you indemnify you when you remove someone else from this world?

I say no.

Again, not saying that what's in your heart is corrupt or even wrong, just that if the law is abandoned when its most needed then what's the point

Yeah I would be judged and I wouldn't expect to be immune from the law.

 

[bkess8]

I have a 4 y/o daughter and I am telling you if I walked in on that situation, the same thing would of happened. I would not allow the Justice system to play out. I would take care of it myself and if I am punished for my actions then I am OK with that!

 

[ulukinatme]

I really hoped this thread would never come up again...

Ok, lets get something straight here. Someone brought up the original story posted and that there was a case of murder. No, there was no murder committed. A murder is defined as a premeditated killing of another person. Given that the guy walked in to find a stranger raping his daughter and he immediately reacted to defend her...no murder. Neither would it qualify as a homicide, since it wasn't a deliberate killing, it was unintentional (As far as we know...and I'd never judge it otherwise). At the very most, the killing would be a justifiable homicide since it was deemed legal and prevented further damage to another person.

So please...quit bringing up words like murder in this thread, they don't belong here at all. Don't even try to make assholes like this out to be a victim, because they're not victims. When you commit an act like this against helpless children, you are risking your life via retribution from a loved one or punishment in the justice system. These people don't deserve your sympathy. While I have a small, small shred of sympathy for the 18 year old that was also abused as a child, it's pretty insignificant when you consider that the man is perpetuating the cycle of abuse by doing the same thing to another innocent boy. There are many victims that have sought help and prevented messing up someone else like they were messed up. Just because it happened to you doesn't mean it's okay for it to happen to someone else.

I just find it hard to believe that people are willing to stand up for pricks like the guy in the original story. He lost his rights to a fair trial as far as I'm concerned. I don't think some people realize how incredibly good some defense lawyers can be. I've seen it first hand, and there are guilty men that are on the streets right now that may or may not be committing acts like this all over again.

 

[Emcee77]

Yeah, I don't think there's too much to debate here.

One of the classic historical examples of manslaughter is when you walk in and find your wife in bed with another man, and react violently. Today, in Illinois, where I am licensed, one of the definitions of "second degree murder" (the modern term for manslaughter) is a homicide committed "under a sudden and intense passion resulting from serious provocation." Unless the law in Texas and Florida is very different, the fathers we've been discussing in this thread were risking manslaughter when they beat the tar out of their kids' attackers (I realize the sex offender in the Florida case didn't die; I'm saying, if he had ... ). In Illinois, it's a Class 1 felony, which is generally 4-15 years, but in a case like this, if the father had no prior record, he would very likely get probation.

But the authorities in these cases have chosen not to bring charges against the fathers. They absolutely have the discretion to do that in cases like this, where technically a crime has been committed but punishing the offender would neither deter crime in the general populace nor rehabilitate the offender, as he has only done what any of us would do and has no need of rehabilitation.

On the other hand, if they think the beating of the sex offender was due not chiefly to the father getting carried away in protecting his kid but to a malicious desire for retribution or something like that, then the situation may be one in which charges are appropriate. I have no reason to think either the original case in the OP or the recent Florida case is in that category though. I think the proper outcome is to bring no charges against the fathers. But that's a matter of prosecutorial discretion and it depends on all the facts and circumstances.