Father beats daughter's rapist to death, won't be charged

[ginman]

Hey Jon- any guesses as to how many victims there were prior to this one. I mean the little girl btw (not the rapist). Typically child molestors have a long history of victimization prior to being caught. I'm glad this evil man is dead!

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

I spent minutes trying to come up with something to say in this post only to find myself seriously shaking my head and saying WTF!!! This man more than likely saved his daughter from what was probably a strangulation after this sickass was done, but should be PUNISHED?!?!?! It wouldnt even have to be my OWN DAUGHTER!! If i walked in on ANY 5YO getting raped, I would beat the living **** out of the rapist and not stop until his *** layed lifeless on the ground!

 

[GATTACA!]

He died so yeah. I think that counts. Would he have been put to death if this went to court? Probably not, even if the kid died there's a decent chance he'd get life. Did he get a shot at justice? No. So yeah that makes him a victim. Of someone who got pissed off and killed him. How can you guys not see this?

I'm not saying all you big scary dads wouldn't do the same thing. Bravo to you for being such manly men I'm sure everyone is impressed. I just think that if you kill someone in a situation where you most likely did not need to use deadly force then you need to go away for a while and think about what you've done.

So you think that the rapeist deserves a shot at justice. And that even if the five year old girl he's molesting dies he deserves a chance to weasel his way into life in prison? Where we can all pay for him to live out the rest of his pathetic life?

Well I am a certified badass haha

Based on this thread you sound like a certified pussy.

 

[Irish2155]

Well I am a certified badass haha

That is not what he meant either.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

not as serious, no. you can't argue that point, death is worse end of story.

But it's not the end of the story. Death is worse, but you're allowed to kill someone in defense of another, even if it's just serious bodily injury they're inflicting. You don't have to believe the perpetrator is actually going to kill someone.

Did we learn nothing from the Zimmerman trial?

 

[Me2SouthBend]

ummm. so murder is ok on this board or what? that's what the guy did. He got pissed off an MURDERED someone. and no i don't believve it was self defense, as the guy wasnt posing a threat of killing them.

i know you're all gonna say 'oh yeah yeah i'd do this if it were my daughter'. and i totally get that. but if you do it, you deserve to go to jail.

It was self defense. Self defense for his 5 year old daughter. Enough Said.

 

[FLDomer]

Well I am a certified pedder*** haha

FIFY

 

[Irish Houstonian]

In Texas, when someone like this isn't charged, it's always hard to know whether the DA thinks that conduct was legal, or whether he or she just thinks the jury won't convict (jury nullification).

 

[kmoose]

jon,

I think you are wrong about this subject. If there was some room for doubt about who did it, then I would tend to lean toward your side. But there's no doubt, and I think that the father would probably be very successful in mounting a temporary insanity defense, after witnessing what he did.

However, I can respect your view on the sanctity of life. I think you are wrong, in this instance, but you at least are erring on the side of caution.

The rest of you engaging in the mob mentality should be ashamed of yourselves. Ganging up on a guy, banding together to neg rep him, calling him a p*ssy and saying that his post is the stupidest thing you have ever seen on here? Very classy........ and also an excellent example of the kind of behavior(lynch mob) that his stance is aimed at preventing. So, by ganging up on him, you are really just illustrating the need for people who think like him, and validating his stance. You can absolutely disagree with him, and you can present your side of the argument. You can even be outraged and rant on and on about what you would do, if in the same situation. But, for Christ's sake, be tolerant of the PEOPLE who disagree with you, when they present an arguably noble stance. It's not like he is said that the perp should not be held accountable.

 

[greyhammer90]

The rest of you engaging in the mob mentality should be ashamed of yourselves. Ganging up on a guy, banding together to neg rep him, calling him a p*ssy and saying that his post is the stupidest thing you have ever seen on here? Very classy........ and also an excellent example of the kind of behavior(lynch mob) that his stance is aimed at preventing. So, by ganging up on him, you are really just illustrating the need for people who think like him, and validating his stance. You can absolutely disagree with him, and you can present your side of the argument. You can even be outraged and rant on and on about what you would do, if in the same situation. But, for Christ's sake, be tolerant of the PEOPLE who disagree with you, when they present an arguably noble stance. It's not like he is said that the perp should not be held accountable.

Agree. I think he's wrong but there are a lot of internet tough guys in this thread.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Agree. I think he's wrong but there are a lot of internet tough guys in this thread.

Thems' pedophile words. Someone get some rope.

 

[clashmore_jon]

jon,

I think you are wrong about this subject. If there was some room for doubt about who did it, then I would tend to lean toward your side. But there's no doubt, and I think that the father would probably be very successful in mounting a temporary insanity defense, after witnessing what he did.

However, I can respect your view on the sanctity of life. I think you are wrong, in this instance, but you at least are erring on the side of caution.

The rest of you engaging in the mob mentality should be ashamed of yourselves. Ganging up on a guy, banding together to neg rep him, calling him a p*ssy and saying that his post is the stupidest thing you have ever seen on here? Very classy........ and also an excellent example of the kind of behavior(lynch mob) that his stance is aimed at preventing. So, by ganging up on him, you are really just illustrating the need for people who think like him, and validating his stance. You can absolutely disagree with him, and you can present your side of the argument. You can even be outraged and rant on and on about what you would do, if in the same situation. But, for Christ's sake, be tolerant of the PEOPLE who disagree with you, when they present an arguably noble stance. It's not like he is said that the perp should not be held accountable.

thank you. I think you really captured how i was feeling.

 

[clashmore_jon]

But it's not the end of the story. Death is worse, but you're allowed to kill someone in defense of another, even if it's just serious bodily injury they're inflicting. You don't have to believe the perpetrator is actually going to kill someone.

Did we learn nothing from the Zimmerman trial?

I disagreed with that law then, and i disagree with it now. excessive force is to me, always excessive.

 

[irishpat183]

ummm. so murder is ok on this board or what? that's what the guy did. He got pissed off an MURDERED someone. and no i don't believve it was self defense, as the guy wasnt posing a threat of killing them.

i know you're all gonna say 'oh yeah yeah i'd do this if it were my daughter'. and i totally get that. but if you do it, you deserve to go to jail.

Neg rep.

You must not have children.

 

[irishpat183]

I disagreed with that law then, and i disagree with it now. excessive force is to me, always excessive.

So if some guy is raping YOUR 5 year old daughter, he may end up killing her...You wouldn't do the same?

And if you wouldn't...I hope you never have kids.


This sick bastard deserved to die in the worst possible way. And I actually stand up and cheer this dad on. This is what a father does. Protect his children.

If only more fathers were like this guy.

 

[Irishnuke]

jon,

I think you are wrong about this subject. If there was some room for doubt about who did it, then I would tend to lean toward your side. But there's no doubt, and I think that the father would probably be very successful in mounting a temporary insanity defense, after witnessing what he did.

However, I can respect your view on the sanctity of life. I think you are wrong, in this instance, but you at least are erring on the side of caution.

The rest of you engaging in the mob mentality should be ashamed of yourselves. Ganging up on a guy, banding together to neg rep him, calling him a p*ssy and saying that his post is the stupidest thing you have ever seen on here? Very classy........ and also an excellent example of the kind of behavior(lynch mob) that his stance is aimed at preventing. So, by ganging up on him, you are really just illustrating the need for people who think like him, and validating his stance. You can absolutely disagree with him, and you can present your side of the argument. You can even be outraged and rant on and on about what you would do, if in the same situation. But, for Christ's sake, be tolerant of the PEOPLE who disagree with you, when they present an arguably noble stance. It's not like he is said that the perp should not be held accountable.

Agreed. I can understand his point of view. I don't agree with it and I would not have abided by it, but I can understand his intent. Don't confuse his disdain for killing with sympathy for the molestor. Would it have been wrong for the dad to just tackle the guy, restrain him, and then call the police? No. Would it have been wrong for the dad to point a gun at the molestor until police came? No. I think, maybe I'm wrong, that this is the point Jon was trying to make. Me, I would have killed him but I wouldn't have criticized someone else for not doing so as long as they took some kind of action.

It's also really low class and trashy to baselessly call someone on here a pedophile and say you hope they never have children because you don't like their opinion.

 

[clashmore_jon]

Neg rep.

You must not have children.

whether or not i have kids has nothing to do with it.

Lets say you go around mugging people because you like to do drugs. and i call you out on it. then would you just say "well you must not do drugs?". No, no one would ever use that sort of logic--but that's exactly what you are doing.

Maybe i don't want my children to grow up in a world run by a bunch of mob rule apes with limited capacity for thought.

 

[irishpat183]

Agreed. I can understand his point of view. I don't agree with it and I would not have abided by it, but I can understand his intent. Don't confuse his disdain for killing with sympathy for the molestor. Would it have been wrong for the dad to just tackle the guy, restrain him, and then call the police? No. Would it have been wrong for the dad to point a gun at the molestor until police came? No. I think, maybe I'm wrong, that this is the point Jon was trying to make. Me, I would have killed him but I wouldn't have criticized someone else for not doing so as long as they took some kind of action.

It's also really low class and trashy to baselessly call someone on here a pedophile and say you hope they never have children because you don't like their opinion.

I didn't call him a pedophile, for the record.


If hes not willing to protect his child at all costs, and kill a man that is RAPING HIS 5 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER. AGAIN, RAPING HIS 5 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER....


Then I hope he chooses never to have kids. God forbid my child has to grow up knowing daddy was too big a pussy to protect me and kill the POS that was RAPING ME AT 5 YEARS OLD.


Other than that...I wish nothing but the best for Jon.

 

[Green Blood]

It really has nothing to do with being tough and everything to do with defending an innocent child from a predator.

 

[irishpat183]

whether or not i have kids has nothing to do with it.

Lets say you go around mugging people because you like to do drugs. and i call you out on it. then would you just say "well you must not do drugs?". No, no one would ever use that sort of logic--but that's exactly what you are doing.

Maybe i don't want my children to grow up in a world run by a bunch of mob rule apes with limited capacity for thought.

Dude....stick to apples to apples.


I agree...this world is a ****ed up place. I was very nervous about how I was going to behave with my own when they came. But after looking into their eyes for the first time, I knew I'd have no problem ending someone if anything like these ever happened.

If you don't feel that way as a father, quite frankly, something is very wrong with you.

 

[Irish Insanity]

This thread went south in a hurry. Who woulda thought....

Jon, I don't agree with your stance. But I don't agree with anyone neg repping you either. That shouldn't be done simply because someone doesn't share your point of view.

 

[clashmore_jon]

I didn't call him a pedophile, for the record.


If hes not willing to protect his child at all costs, and kill a man that is RAPING HIS 5 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER. AGAIN, RAPING HIS 5 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER....


Then I hope he chooses never to have kids. God forbid my child has to grow up knowing daddy was too big a pussy to protect me and kill the POS that was RAPING ME AT 5 YEARS OLD.


Other than that...I wish nothing but the best for Jon.

Dude....stick to apples to apples.


I agree...this world is a ****ed up place. I was very nervous about how I was going to behave with my own when they came. But after looking into their eyes for the first time, I knew I'd have no problem ending someone if anything like these ever happened.

If you don't feel that way as a father, quite frankly, something is very wrong with you.

i never said that i'm going to let the situation go on. i think it would be pretty appropriate to club the guy with whatever object was readily available. but to beat him to death or "end" him as you so casually put it is excessive.

i am sticking to apples to apples. we are both describing a scenario in which something has happened in one person's life (drug addiction in mine and having a daughter in yours) that changes his perspective and makes him feel justified in his actions (mugging people in mine or using excessive force to brutally kill someone in yours). Granted i used a little hyperbole to get my point across, but the logic is nearly identical. and flawed.

 

[woolybug25]

whether or not i have kids has nothing to do with it.

Lets say you go around mugging people because you like to do drugs. and i call you out on it. then would you just say "well you must not do drugs?". No, no one would ever use that sort of logic--but that's exactly what you are doing.

Maybe i don't want my children to grow up in a world run by a bunch of mob rule apes with limited capacity for thought.

How was this "mob rule"? Again, he didn't "assume" or "believe" that his daughter was being raped by the man. HE SAW IT!

This wasn't vigilante justice, it is a simple case of a man doing what all rational people would do.

You can act like its the rest of us with limited capacity for thought, but you are the one suggesting that justice is so black and white that a man should simply tell the man that is raping his 5 year old daughter to stop, then calmly call the police to handle the situation. Seriously.... you need to have your head checked.

 

[ohara831]

Not a one of us really know what we would do unless we are actually put in that circumstance. But I think a majority would have beaten this guy to within an inch of his life. The rest would have gone a bit further, like the dad in Texas did. Protecting your child will make you do things you really may not have ever considered yourself capable of doing.

 

[clashmore_jon]

How was this "mob rule"? Again, he didn't "assume" or "believe" that his daughter was being raped by the man. HE SAW IT!

This wasn't vigilante justice, it is a simple case of a man doing what all rational people would do.

You can act like its the rest of us with limited capacity for thought, but you are the one suggesting that justice is so black and white that a man should simply tell the man that is raping his 5 year old daughter to stop, then calmly call the police to handle the situation. Seriously.... you need to have your head checked.

you are the one acting like it is black and white. either he gets beaten to death, or we are politely asking him to stop? both of those are inappropriate.

edit: oh and i say mob rule because that's how people in this thread are acting.

 

[Kingbish01]

Not a one of us really know what we would do unless we are actually put in that circumstance. But I think a majority would have beaten this guy to within an inch of his life. The rest would have gone a bit further, like the dad in Texas did. Protecting your child will make you do things you really may not have ever considered yourself capable of doing.

True...And unless you have children, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. Very easy to say the guy went to far, but until you have that type of love in your heart you should stay out of the conversation. I would bet a years pay that Jon doesn't have kids. Jon please be honest, do you have any kids?

 

[woolybug25]

you are the one acting like it is black and white. either he gets beaten to death, or we are politely asking him to stop? both of those are inappropriate.

You are implying that a man in a rage should know the exact moment of when to stop in order to not put "undue harm" or risk the death of a man that was raping his 5 year old daughter.

Then you go even further to say that you believe that the man that just had his daughter raped, should spend a short stint in jail to think about his actions.

Do I have that all right?

edit: oh and i say mob rule because that's how people in this thread are acting.

It can't possibly be that you are being irrational, eh? Just that we are a bunch of "apes with limited capacity for thought"?

 

[WaveDomer]

i never said that i'm going to let the situation go on. i think it would be pretty appropriate to club the guy with whatever object was readily available. but to beat him to death or "end" him as you so casually put it is excessive.

For all you know this is what the dad did. Again, you can die from one hit. What was available to the dad was his fists, so he used them. Then he called 911 freaking out because he thought the guy might die. Not really the actions of some deranged vigilante. Keep in mind that if the rapist gets the better of the dad, he can just grab the kid again. So is it realistic to think you can just wrestle the guy down or hold him till the police come, to the middle of some ranch field?

 

[clashmore_jon]

You are implying that a man in a rage should know the exact moment of when to stop in order to not put "undue harm" or risk the death of a man that was raping his 5 year old daughter.
Do I have that all right?

Yeah, because in most cases you really have to do some nasty **** to kill someone barehanded. Sure there are exceptions, but the guy was most likely on top of this dude just swinging away out of anger.

Worse yet, we have people on this thread sitting in front of their computers saying that they would torture or kill this guy intentionally in every case. We've even got one guy asking another guy if he'll come around and torture some kid his daughter goes to school with. So yeah, i really don't think that sort of stuff belongs on a ND football board. Michigan fans will be rolling on the floor if they read this thread.

Then you go even further to say that you believe that the man that just had his daughter raped, should spend a short stint in jail to think about his actions.
Do I have that all right?

absolutely, particularly if he like curbstomped the guy or pinned him down and just kept throwing punch after punch after punch or something. There is a point when the guy is no longer a threat, and at that point the beating needs to stop. Like i said before though, he could probably get off for temporary insanity or something, but i think he should go downtown. Then next time maybe a person won't needlessly be beaten to death.

in anticipation of the "he's a rapist he needs to die" replies, i'd like to point out that in most cases (in the US at least) rape is not punishable by death. also i think it ironic that many of you are anti abortionists that talk much about sanctity of live, but when it becomes inconvenient for you you'll flip flop and become pro-beating people to death.

 

[WaveDomer]

Like i said before though, he could probably get off for temporary insanity or something, but i think he should go downtown. Then next time maybe a person won't needlessly be beaten to death.

That can be flipped into "Next time some kid won't get needlessly raped," due to rapist being beaten to death. But that's not really how it works. I also don't think it's relevant here because I don't think the guy's intent was killing. His intent was stopping the rape with probably a bunch of rage thrown in. But most people think like you are thinking in terms of it taking a lot to beat someone to death. If he wanted to kill the rapist he probably would have done something else.