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I am only asking because I don't follow this stuff but how does it affect their ratings if they switch their CB?
Example: Wiltfong currently feels good about Quick. If he switches his pick to OU and then Quick picks OU, how does that affect his 93%. Is it fluid until the kid commits? Does it not count until the kid commits?

They get point totals, which are calculated based on how long a prediction has been locked in for and how highly ranked the recruit is. If he changes it at any point before it is locked, they will get it labeled as correct on their percentage tracker, but they will get way less points.

Basically, if he never changes it, and it's ND for Quick, Steve will get like 100+ points. If he changes it to OU, and he picks OU, Steve would get like 5 points. Does that make sense?
 

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To all the guys that have 247 subs.
Is it just me or have the last few tunnel visions been very disappointing?
Feel like it's the same story over and over with most of them.

I agree. I'm hoping that we'll get some more details as to how some of these in-home visits and OV's go over the next week.
 

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Is it just me or have the last few tunnel visions been very disappointing?
Feel like it's the same story over and over with most of them.

In their defense, they're really not being given much information to hand out. JuJu and Quick are notoriously tight lipped when it comes to their recruiting so it's hard for them to get any information, let alone pass it along.
 

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They get point totals, which are calculated based on how long a prediction has been locked in for and how highly ranked the recruit is. If he changes it at any point before it is locked, they will get it labeled as correct on their percentage tracker, but they will get way less points.

Basically, if he never changes it, and it's ND for Quick, Steve will get like 100+ points. If he changes it to OU, and he picks OU, Steve would get like 5 points. Does that make sense?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh. This explains why Loy and Wiltfong won't change their CBs to SC for Juju.

I was really confused about this because in Tunnel Vision Loy/Wiltfong were basically admitting that SC has taken the lead in that recruitment but they said they won't change their CBs until the ND staff gives up. I was wondering why they wouldn't just change it to reflect the current leader and then change it back if ND picked up steam again. Now it makes sense though ... they don't want to make a change unless they are certain Juju is going to SC b/c they want the points for correctly calling a 5-star to ND early on.
 

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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh. This explains why Loy and Wiltfong won't change their CBs to SC for Juju.

I was really confused about this because in Tunnel Vision Loy/Wiltfong were basically admitting that SC has taken the lead in that recruitment but they said they won't change their CBs until the ND staff gives up. I was wondering why they wouldn't just change it to reflect the current leader and then change it back if ND picked up steam again. Now it makes sense though ... they don't want to make a change unless they are certain Juju is going to SC b/c they want the points for correctly calling a 5-star to ND early on.

It does, but what is in it for those two if they have the highest CB points? I am sure they have some sort of bet going, but was just curious if someone knew anything to add to it.
 
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They get point totals, which are calculated based on how long a prediction has been locked in for and how highly ranked the recruit is. If he changes it at any point before it is locked, they will get it labeled as correct on their percentage tracker, but they will get way less points.

Basically, if he never changes it, and it's ND for Quick, Steve will get like 100+ points. If he changes it to OU, and he picks OU, Steve would get like 5 points. Does that make sense?

Yes thank you.
 

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It does, but what is in it for those two if they have the highest CB points? I am sure they have some sort of bet going, but was just curious if someone knew anything to add to it.

Maybe a side bet. But I wouldn't be surprised if it were just a pride thing. It would be pretty bad ass to be tops of all the crystal ballers out there; it looks good on you as a professional and it makes people like you and me respect what you are saying a TON more.
 

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Tunnel Vision is becoming more of a recap of all their "scoop" more so than what it originally was.

As far as "new" info, ISD Intel has them beat right now. When Tunnel Vision first burst onto the scene it wasnt touchable, now there is a lot left to be desired.
 

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Looks like they are partying at HQ tonight. Probably because Rivals got ripped apart in terms of coverage and the network crashed
 

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I gave 247 a shot recently but couldn't stick with them. Message board for ND site is boring as hell. Despite Rivals problems today I'll stay there just for TJ, Greg Gabriel and the message board.
 

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completely agree with this quote

“You get out of college what you want to. That’s not only football or athletes, it’s any student – you get out of it what you want to.”

I levy 10% of blame on college coaches for these decisions. You cant force someone to be a rocket scientist when they just want to go into the michigan general studies major
 

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completely agree with this quote

“You get out of college what you want to. That’s not only football or athletes, it’s any student – you get out of it what you want to.”

I levy 10% of blame on college coaches for these decisions. You cant force someone to be a rocket scientist when they just want to go into the michigan general studies major

That's true enough, but--without having seen the Real Sports piece--I think the issue is that some kids do want to be doctors and engineers and titans of finance, but their schools are actively discouraging them from following their dreams because they think those courses of study are too hard for football players. And it may be that they are ... pre-med and engineering and finance are too hard for many students who aren't football players. But the school should be actively helping them to study whatever they want, or they should tell them up front, "we're giving you a college scholarship, but you probably can't major in whatever you want."
 
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That's true enough, but, without having seen the Real Sports piece, I think the issue is that some kids do want to be doctors and engineers and titans of finance, but their schools are actively discouraging them from following their dreams because they think those courses of study are too hard for football players. And it may be that they are ... pre-med and engineering and finance are too hard for many students who aren't football players. But the school should be actively helping them to study whatever they want, or they should tell them up front, "we're giving you a college scholarship, but you probably can't major in whatever you want."

I think both sides are to blame.

I shared this story before, but my family has become friends with an ex-DB from the NFL that went to Ohio State. He played in the NFL for 2 years before a serious injury derailed his career. He was a later round pick and quickly came to the conclusion that the money he had earned in the NFL was not enough to live off of for the rest of his life.

While at OSU, he fully admits that he wanted nothing to do with taking actual courses and asked to be steered into easy classes, which the school aided in. He had nothing to fall back on academically after his injury and tried his hand in the class A ball (he played HS baseball). Again, didn't pan out.

He is now taking classes, on his own dime, at another university trying to get his degree in teaching, so he can both teach and coach in HS. He has made it his mission to make sure kids like him do not make the same mistakes he did. He fully admits he did not take advantage of the opportunity at hand while at OSU and he was focused 100% on the NFL. But he does think that OSU was far too complicit and the coaches were not looking out for his best interest.
 

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how can stoops say 99% of his kids get it when they only graduate like 47%
 

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That's true enough, but--without having seen the Real Sports piece--I think the issue is that some kids do want to be doctors and engineers and titans of finance, but their schools are actively discouraging them from following their dreams because they think those courses of study are too hard for football players. And it may be that they are ... pre-med and engineering and finance are too hard for many students who aren't football players. But the school should be actively helping them to study whatever they want, or they should tell them up front, "we're giving you a college scholarship, but you probably can't major in whatever you want."

Solid point. I agree with this, and I too have not seen the HBO spot... I think there should be some sort of "do what you want to do until you struggle" approach. Once you start to struggle then either a) increase the study hall/tutor/whatever can help or b) rethink this major and try something else. At that point the coach is off the hook in my opinion. But then again, if the coach knows he is barely passing the clearing house standards as a recruit or is just not a strong student by any means, then intervention in the beginning could be warranted.

I played D3 and double majored. I still had squat for job prospects after college. Looking back now, I realize why someone should NEVER major in philosophical or theory dominated profession (I was poli sci/Rel Studies). I would absolutely do business management or something in economics. Fortunately I found my way into a law firm, got my paralegal certificate, and now Im in my last semester of law school, where (fingers crossed) my employment prospects are much more plentiful.
 

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I think both sides are to blame.

I shared this story before, but my family has become friends with an ex-DB from the NFL that went to Ohio State. He played in the NFL for 2 years before a serious injury derailed his career. He was a later round pick and quickly came to the conclusion that the money he had earned in the NFL was not enough to live off of for the rest of his life.

While at OSU, he fully admits that he wanted nothing to do with taking actual courses and asked to be steered into easy classes, which the school aided in. He had nothing to fall back on academically after his injury and tried his hand in the class A ball (he played HS baseball). Again, didn't pan out.

He is now taking classes, on his own dime, at another university trying to get his degree in teaching, so he can both teach and coach in HS. He has made it his mission to make sure kids like him do not make the same mistakes he did. He fully admits he did not take advantage of the opportunity at hand while at OSU and he was focused 100% on the NFL. But he does think that OSU was far too complicit and the coaches were not looking out for his best interest.

Great story, I think that's really illuminating.

It's true that there are plenty of football players who really are just looking for the easiest way through school. There's nothing gravely wrong with that, as compared with other college students ... I bet a majority of college students are just looking for the easiest way through school. Some college kids are just going to be relatively unmotivated, and that is hardly the school's fault.

But it still really concerns me that former players are saying that, even if the football program didn't actively stand in their way to prevent them from achieving their educational goals, it nevertheless did stand in their way as a practical matter. Kain Colter testified before the National Labor Relations Board that he had to drop his pre-med major because he couldn't find enough chemistry courses that didn't conflict with football workouts:

Kain Colter takes on Northwestern in NLRB hearing - Chicago Tribune

(small world ... I used to work with Northwestern's attorney, mentioned in that article, and IIRC, she was a college athlete at DePaul, so she likely doesn't have too much sympathy for Colter ... but she's kind of a superwoman)

What sense does it make for a university to offer a kid a scholarship under conditions that effectively prevent him from studying certain subjects? If a school is going to have an athletics program, shouldn't the program dovetail with its academic programs, consistent with the school's mission of educating and developing students intellectually? If football is getting in the way of that mission, rather than advancing it, then I submit that a change is necessary.
 
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Great story, I think that's really illuminating.

It's true that there are plenty of football players who really are just looking for the easiest way through school. There's nothing gravely wrong with that, as compared with other college students ... I bet a majority of college students are just looking for the easiest way through school. Some college kids are just going to be relatively unmotivated, and that is hardly the school's fault.

But it still really concerns me that former players are saying that, even if the football program didn't actively stand in their way to prevent them from achieving their educational goals, it nevertheless did stand in their way as a practical matter. Kain Colter testified before the National Labor Relations Board that he had to drop his pre-med major because he couldn't find enough chemistry courses that didn't conflict with football workouts:

Kain Colter takes on Northwestern in NLRB hearing - Chicago Tribune

(small world ... I used to work with Northwestern's attorney, mentioned in that article, and IIRC, she was a college athlete at DePaul, so she likely doesn't have too much sympathy for Colter ... but she's kind of a superwoman)

What sense does it make for a university to offer a kid a scholarship under conditions that effectively prevent him from studying certain subjects? If a school is going to have an athletics program, shouldn't the program dovetail with its academic programs, consistent with the school's mission of educating and developing students intellectually? If football is getting in the way of that mission, rather than advancing it, then I submit that a change is necessary.

I think you are correct.

This is why I find recruiting so fascinating. Everyone involved in the kids life (parents, family, friends, HS coaches, college coaches, teachers, etc) all have the ability to influence the kids decision one way or another. I think the glam of playing in the NFL (which is obviously a recruiting tactic) is far shinier in the eyes of an 18 year old than getting degree in biology.

There are failures abound in the system (at least in major college athletics) and it's so sad that a minority of the kids ask the right questions while being recruited and make their decision based on the correct criteria.
 

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Per Bartons post it should be a relatively interesting update.
 

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I'm not a big fan of the influence of "The Opening" on the rankings, nice event but is not "real football".

To compare with tomorrow rankings:

Hodge: 100
Crawford: 150
Tillery: 73
Barajas: 156
Adams: 168

The rest: NA.
 

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Yup, Barnett will most likely get a 5th star and be the #1 QB.

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