'15 FL OLB Te'Von Coney (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[OCIrish]

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[Irish#1]

It was said a little back in the Hilliard thread that he'd be more likely to decommit from OSU to ND, than the other way around. Either way, I don't see it happening.

That's not the normal NDSean44 we know and love.

 

[GBdomer]

Per Intel
Intel gives ND the edge right now in the Coney race. People in Coney clique seem to favor ND

 

[Rizzophil]

Per Intel
Intel gives ND the edge right now in the Coney race. People in Coney clique seem to favor ND

Thank you for the updates

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Coney and Bilal are very different players. Coney plays extremely physical and instinctive while Bilal wins with speed/range. Barajas has not the brute strength of Coney or the speed of Bilal but has a little bit of both. I wonder who is the favorite for the staff between Coney and Bilal. It would be a tough call. With Coney, Bilal and Barajas, who cares about Hilliard

 

[Crazy Balki]

Coney and Bilal are very different players. Coney plays extremely physical and instinctive while Bilal wins with speed/range. Barajas has not the brute strength of Coney or the speed of Bilal but has a little bit of both. I wonder who is the favorite for the staff between Coney and Bilal. It would be a tough call. With Coney, Bilal and Barajas, who cares about Hilliard

I don't see them as playing the favorite. Coney and Bilal will play very different roles. Barajas can play either middle or outside LB, but Coney is almost exclusively a MLB, while Bilal is exclusively an OLB.

 

[Bluto]

Coney and Bilal are very different players. Coney plays extremely physical and instinctive while Bilal wins with speed/range. Barajas has not the brute strength of Coney or the speed of Bilal but has a little bit of both. I wonder who is the favorite for the staff between Coney and Bilal. It would be a tough call. With Coney, Bilal and Barajas, who cares about Hilliard

Disagree with the assessment of Barajas. In his film every time he makes a tackle the runner goes backward. Kid is a stud. If they live up to their potential him, Morgan and Jaylon on the field at the same time would be the best linebacking core ND has had in 20+ years.

 

[Luckylucci]

Agreed, they compliment each other very well. IF I had to choose I'd go Bilal because of his range.

 

[IrishLax]

I'd rather have Bilal because his athleticism I think gives him superb upside. Coney is much more physically ready to play and fills a different need at ILB/MLB. Would rather have had Nick Conner over both of them though.

Bilal is probably going to need to incubate for a year or two before he has the bulk to really play effectively. Has a great ceiling though because he's much faster than your average LB, and is very strong for his size right now... but his size isn't currently large enough.

 

[dwshade]

See Coney has a solid replacement for Sykes.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'd rather have Bilal because his athleticism I think gives him superb upside. Coney is much more physically ready to play and fills a different need at ILB/MLB. Would rather have had Nick Conner over both of them though.

Bilal is probably going to need to incubate for a year or two before he has the bulk to really play effectively. Has a great ceiling though because he's much faster than your average LB, and is very strong for his size right now... but his size isn't currently large enough.

Yea, from every person that's been around him in person he has a slight body at the current time, especially lower body. This is per Witlfong, Loy, Sampson, and Jake Brown. Weight can obviously be added but he's not an immediate impact player except special teams at the current time. In fact FWIW Jake Brown was relatively surprised by his frame when he did his recent interview.

 

[GBdomer]

See Coney has a solid replacement for Sykes.

Nothing against Sykes but he would be a major upgrade.

 

[NDdomer2]

If we went barajas bilal and coney that's a hell of a lb haul especially mixed with last two years.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I'd rather have Bilal because his athleticism I think gives him superb upside. Coney is much more physically ready to play and fills a different need at ILB/MLB. Would rather have had Nick Conner over both of them though.

Bilal is probably going to need to incubate for a year or two before he has the bulk to really play effectively. Has a great ceiling though because he's much faster than your average LB, and is very strong for his size right now... but his size isn't currently large enough.

Maybe I'm a little biased, even though Coney and Bilal aren't committed yet, but I'd take any 2 of the 3. I honestly don't see that much of a difference between Coney and Conner. Conner has a bit of a bigger frame and has good athleticism for his size. Coney may not be as athletic, but he seems like a more natural MLB with better mechanics. Bilal isn't as filled out as Conner, but he has superior athleticism. Apples and oranges really. Any of the 3 are good enough to finish a LB corp for this class.

Let's also remember that Coney plays against VASTLY superior competition in Florida's highest classification. Bilal also plays in the highest class in Indiana, not as strong as Coney's but no slouch either. Conner plays the weakest competition of the three, so looks may be a tad deceiving.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Bilal for me please and the rest is gravy

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Maybe I'm a little biased, even though Coney and Bilal aren't committed yet, but I'd take any 2 of the 3. I honestly don't see that much of a difference between Coney and Conner. Conner has a bit of a bigger frame and has good athleticism for his size. Coney may not be as athletic, but he seems like a more natural MLB with better mechanics. Bilal isn't as filled out as Conner, but he has superior athleticism. Apples and oranges really. Any of the 3 are good enough to finish a LB corp for this class.

Let's also remember that Coney plays against VASTLY superior competition in Florida's highest classification. Bilal also plays in the highest class in Indiana, not as strong as Coney's but no slouch either. Conner plays the weakest competition of the three, so looks may be a tad deceiving.

Conner is committed to Ohio State; that count as a difference?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Conner is committed to Ohio State; that count as a difference?

I meant as far as prospects go, not their current allegiance.

 

[Irish Man3]

For me I think 2 of Bilal, Coney, and Wallace is a win. Add them with Barajas and that's a very good LB haul.

I think people are over looking Bo Wallace a little bit. He plays at a great high school so expect him to be well coached. Very athletic and his interest is very legit. Keep an eye out.

Bilal should be Irish by the end of the year. Having him and Barajas in the fold allows ND to swing for the fences.

 

[STLDomer]

For me I think 2 of Bilal, Coney, and Wallace is a win. Add them with Barajas and that's a very good LB haul.

I think people are over looking Bo Wallace a little bit. He plays at a great high school so expect him to be well coached. Very athletic and his interest is very legit. Keep an eye out.

Bilal should be Irish by the end of the year. Having him and Barajas in the fold allows ND to swing for the fences.

I think some, including me, exclude Wallace from LB talk cause a lot believe he will grow into a WDE

 

[dwshade]

Nothing against Sykes but he would be a major upgrade.

Upgrade yes. Major upgrade? Not so sure. Coney doesn't make any 250 lists and Rivals rates him at 5.8 while they rated Sykes at 5.7. I see a lot of similarities between the two.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Upgrade yes. Major upgrade? Not so sure. Coney doesn't make any 250 lists and Rivals rates him at 5.8 while they rated Sykes at 5.7. I see a lot of similarities between the two.

Like many recruit arguments, sometimes you have to look beyond the rankings. Coney is definitely underrated, as was Sykes, but more so. They have similar film, but Coney seems to have more versatility, and is doing so against better competition.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I think some, including me, exclude Wallace from LB talk cause a lot believe he will grow into a WDE

This. I don't see Wallace as a LB. He has the skill set and the frame to become a very good DE.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Yea, from every person that's been around him in person he has a slight body at the current time, especially lower body. This is per Witlfong, Loy, Sampson, and Jake Brown. Weight can obviously be added but he's not an immediate impact player except special teams at the current time. In fact FWIW Jake Brown was relatively surprised by his frame when he did his recent interview.

I thought Barajas was the one that was slighter of build.

 

[Cackalacky]

IMO Coney is a perfect fit for a 4-3 Mike. Plays downhill which I love. Not sure how good he is at dropping back into coverage though. That being said I think he could excel in BVGs scheme.

 

[yankeeND]

Like rtrn2glory said, Bilal needs to get locked down, but Coney would take the LB class to another level. He is exactly what you want in a 4-3 imo. He doesn't wait for the ball carrier to get to him, he goes and gets him and with authority.

 

[dwshade]

Like many recruit arguments, sometimes you have to look beyond the rankings. Coney is definitely underrated, as was Sykes, but more so. They have similar film, but Coney seems to have more versatility, and is doing so against better competition.

They both remind me of Toryan Smith coming out of HS.

 

[jmurphy75]

My biggest like on Coney is his ability to see the field and sort thru traffic. He finds the ball carrier with ease and almost instinct which makes his attack quicker and much more fluid. This is something that is hard to teach and you will always be able to tell the difference between the natural ability and "taught ability".

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Upgrade yes. Major upgrade? Not so sure. Coney doesn't make any 250 lists and Rivals rates him at 5.8 while they rated Sykes at 5.7. I see a lot of similarities between the two.

Coney has offers from Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Ohio State, Clemson.. Sykes had offers from Mizzou, Syracuse, Indiana, Iowa State.. In fact, he attended a lot of camps (Bama, Michigan State, Wisconsin) and they did not offered him.

Like i said about Sykes a few months ago, i really liked his junior film when he played with his hand on the ground and was just an edge rusher, he dominated with his burst/quickness. As a linebacker i was not impressed with him (his lack of closing/lateral speed was evident). I still think he is a tweener ala Shembo and in a 43 defense, even being undersized, i saw him as a WDE.

I like Sykes and i think he is a good football player but Coney has elite offers and is a better fit, in my opinion.

By the way, last LB recruited by Florida was Anzalone ('13). If he commits to Florida this summer, maybe he can change his mind later because i think Muschamp will be fired this year.

 

[Irish#1]

My biggest like on Coney is his ability to see the field and sort thru traffic. He finds the ball carrier with ease and almost instinct which makes his attack quicker and much more fluid. This is something that is hard to teach and you will always be able to tell the difference between the natural ability and "taught ability".

Such an underrated skill. Manti was great at that.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

FLA and OSU both worry me with Coney. OSU maybe more.

The last visit before he decides per his current schedule will be C'bus. They have the medicine. He wanted to play with Hilliard, and OSU has parents come in as snake oil salesmen to sell them that Urbie isn't a snake oil salesman. Pretty tough to beat!