'15 CA QB Travis Waller (Oregon Verbal)

[PANDFAN]

You can look at Barnett and see he's going to have good size. IMO, I look at Waller and that's more of an uncertainty. That's all I'm saying.

I really don't see Barnett as wirey. No, he's not ready to take shots from MSU's defense, but you can tell he's about a year or two away.

how can you look at Barnett and not see him as wirey but look at waller and think he is more of an uncertainty that he will pack on weight.....they look almost identical in body structure.....tall and lanky....yes barnett is taller but look at the shoulders, both have narrow shoulders

 

[koonja]

C'mon man he's skinny as he[/B]ll.

Relative to the other 17-18 year olds?

I say his frame is great considering he's 6'4". Look at the broad shoulders and muscle definition compared to like Waller.

Show me another high school QB that is 6'4" or above that is more filled out.

It's night and day if you ask me (now insert kuehnja is a pervert joke here> ___________).

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[koonja]

how can you look at Barnett and not see him as wirey but look at waller and think he is more of an uncertainty that he will pack on weight.....they look almost identical in body structure.....tall and lanky....yes barnett is taller but look at the shoulders, both have narrow shoulders

If you honestly think that Barnett has narrow shoulders for his size and is similar build to Waller, then let's just not discuss because there's no way I see that at all. Agree to disagree.

 

[PANDFAN]

Relative to the other 17-18 year olds?

I say his frame is great considering he's 6'4". Look at the broad shoulders and muscle definition compared to like Waller.

Show me another high school QB that is 6'4" or above that is more filled out.

It's night and day if you ask me (now insert kuehnja is a pervert joke here> ___________).

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those are NOT broad shoulders

 

[koonja]

those are NOT broad shoulders

I'm not saying he's Hercules, but he looks like it compared to Waller, and yes, I think he's more filled out and has broader shoulders and a better frame.

 

[stlnd01]

This is all getting a little creepy, no?

"17 year olds, Dude..."

 

[koonja]

This is all getting a little creepy, no?

"17 year olds, Dude..."

Blake's 18 .

Is BK and other scouts creepy for looking at these things? It's not like we're checking them out in any way but how they'll develop football players, lol.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Relative to the other 17-18 year olds?

I say his frame is great considering he's 6'4". Look at the broad shoulders and muscle definition compared to like Waller.

Show me another high school QB that is 6'4" or above that is more filled out.

It's night and day if you ask me (now insert kuehnja is a pervert joke here> ___________).

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The height measurements vary on the different sites, but Stidham is about 6'3"-6'4" and looks much less wiry with much broader shoulders. Plus he's a full 8 months younger than Barnett. Granted, he's more an exception than the rule, but I think he looks to have a better frame than Blake IMO.

 

[koonja]

The height measurements vary on the different sites, but Stidham is about 6'3"-6'4" and looks much less wiry with much broader shoulders. Plus he's a full 8 months younger than Barnett. Granted, he's more an exception than the rule, but I think he looks to have a better frame than Blake IMO.

That's fair, although I haven't looked at him yet but I believe you.

I just think Blake's physicality is much better than Waller's, and I think if Waller fills out in 3 years, his ceiling is just as high as anyone's mentioned the last two days, minus Blake's. But in my subjective opinion, he's easily the most 'wirey'.


To everyone who disagrees with me, I still love ya!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I just skipped over all of this. Did I miss anything?

 

[ResLife Hero]

Notre Dame goes to plan B for quarterback recruiting - South Bend Tribune: Football

The first came to Travis Waller, a four-star prospect from Anaheim, Calif., who reported the offer on Twitter. 247Sports slates him as the No. 2 dual-threat quarterback in the country and No. 36 overall. Rivals ranks him as the No. 5 dual-threat quarterback and No. 104 regardless of his position.
Waller attends Servite, the same Catholic high school as recent Irish tight end Troy Niklas. As a junior, Waller completed 127 of his 235 passes for 1,669 yards for 12 touchdowns. He also rushed 171 times for 1,293 yards and 13 touchdowns. Waller holds offers from Alabama, California, Tennessee and Northwestern, among others.
The Irish could receive a visit from Waller as soon as this month, said quarterback coach Steve Clarkson. Clarkson, who worked with former Irish quarterback Jimmy Clausen and other current NFL quarterbacks Ben Roethlisberger and Nick Foles, recently coached Waller at Clarkson’s annual San Diego Quarterback Retreat in May. He said he expects Waller to make a commitment decision in the next few weeks.
Servite wide receiver Equanimeous St. Brown, a teammate of Waller’s, plans to visit Notre Dame next week. Landing one could help influence the other to join the Irish.

 

[Irish#1]

Relative to the other 17-18 year olds?

I say his frame is great considering he's 6'4". Look at the broad shoulders and muscle definition compared to like Waller.

Show me another high school QB that is 6'4" or above that is more filled out.

It's night and day if you ask me (now insert kuehnja is a pervert joke here> ___________).

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ROFLMAO............Only Kuehnja

 

[Irish#1]

I just skipped over all of this. Did I miss anything?

Just Kuehnja salivating over teenage boys bodies.

 

[IrishLion]

I just skipped over all of this. Did I miss anything?

We're not really sure how 17-year-old high school football players might develop physically, but it's HOT TAKES time on IE, so it's being debated anyway.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think Beau made a good point about how Waller has the best touch, and that's the one thing you can't improve.

I think Waller puts on 25 LBs of muscle, and he has as high of a ceiling as anyone mentioned above, spare Blake Barnett.

That's the 'if'.

He's too damn small and doesn't have the arm at this point. Yes, he has 3 years before he'll have to play at ND, but is 25 LBs of strength realistic? Who knows. I'm not a doctor. But if I knew he was going to strengthen his arm and be strong enough to stay alive, I'd take him in over anyone else above, minus Blake.

I am no doctor either but just a comparison as Waller (if actually 6'3") is the same height as me. Going into my senior year I was no 190 (again we dont know if thats his true weight) i was around 175. Finished my senior year at 185/190. By time I graduated college i was 215 220 with ease. Had i played a defensive position or a true TE I could have easily put more weight on.

Now all kids are different and he may not truly have the skeletal structure to get to much bigger than he is (i had very broad shoulders). But I think a 17 year old that is 6'3" 190 cant get to 215/220, piece of cake.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Now all kids are different and he may not truly have the skeletal structure to get to much bigger than he is (i had very broad shoulders). But I think a 17 year old that is 6'3" 190 cant get to 215/220, piece of cake.

If he is listed at 6'3", 190 he is 6'2, 180 or so. A lot of these kids are a little older than 17 as well, which is one of the reasons they are so good!

I agree with your first statement, that it all depends on bone structure. Some guys can carry 220 athletically, and some can't. But I bet he could play around 210.

 

[#1rish]

Nothing that we don't really know already but Adam Gourney just tweeted that Travis stated we're in his top group and will visit South Bend this month. Gourney added that it's looking good for us.

 

[rtrn2glory]

gonna be totally honest guys

i'm by no means a guru in QB recruiting or film breakdown, but i see absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be REALLY excited about having a chance to get this kid.

honestly, i saw no difference in his film to blake barnett's. similar footwork, elusiveness, break away speed, and personally i like his release a lot better than BB's....looks much more natural

someone tell me why BB is so much more hyped than this kid.

i'll admit i'm very pleasantly surprised with the tape, especially knowing he won't have to play til his jr year most likely barring injury to the guys in front of him.

 

[Pachuco]

gonna be totally honest guys

i'm by no means a guru in QB recruiting or film breakdown, but i see absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be REALLY excited about having a chance to get this kid.

honestly, i saw no difference in his film to blake barnett's. similar footwork, elusiveness, break away speed, and personally i like his release a lot better than BB's....looks much more natural

someone tell me why BB is so much more hyped than this kid.

i'll admit i'm very pleasantly surprised with the tape, especially knowing he won't have to play til his jr year most likely barring injury to the guys in front of him.

The difference between recruits and many a fan of Notre Dame is that we, as fans, typically shut down "visits" to other prospects once we find the "right" player who professes "genuine" commitment. We are loyal to a fault, because we often take people at their word, however young and inexperienced they might be. It's a blessing and a curse. A blessing in the sense that those guys that do stick are quickly brought into the fold. A curse in that others take advantage of our invitation, whether on purpose or because they are still maturing.

But you're right, Travis W looks great, and I hope he finds Notre Dame to be like home.

 

[rtrn2glory]

The difference between a recruit and a fan of Notre Dame is that we, as fans, typically shut down "visits" to other prospects once we find the "right" player who professes "genuine" commitment. We are loyal to a fault, because we often take people at their word, however young and inexperienced they might be. It's a blessing and a curse. A blessing in the sense that those guys that do stick are quickly brought into the fold. A curse in that others take advantage of our invitation, whether on purpose or because they are still maturing.

But you're right, Travis W looks great, and I hope he finds Notre Dame to be like home.

i'm confused on how this correlated with my post....i think we're on the same page, but just flew over my head a bit perhaps??

 

[Pachuco]

i'm confused on how this correlated with my post....i think we're on the same page, but just flew over my head a bit perhaps??

The hype for Barnett was partly that he committed to us so early in the process, came on strong, started wowing at camps, seemed to be a perfect fit for our offense...

We were loyal to him from the go, because we saw his immense potential, and equally as significant, valued his strong pro-ND affirmations and early "loyalty".

It meant turning somewhat of a blind eye on what else we could have had.

I think that's what I meant to say in your response to why so much Barnett, and less Waller ...

 

[rtrn2glory]

The hype for Barnett was partly that he committed to us so early in the process, came on strong, started wowing at camps, seemed to be a perfect fit for our offense...

We were loyal to him from the go, because we saw his immense potential, and equally as significant, valued his strong pro-ND affirmations and early "loyalty".

It meant turning somewhat of a blind eye on what else we could have had.

I think that's what I meant to say in your response to why so much Barnett, and less Waller ...

gotcha....long day in the sun for me homie

 

[Pachuco]

gotcha....long day in the sun for me homie

No worries, brother. Your question is on point, and I think Waller has the skills to show up big time in the college game. Hopefully, ND presents the greatest vision for him, one that he can't resist.

Time for a beer... on me.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I get most of it, but your critique makes him sound like a low 3* QB. This kid is the #2 DT with a .9623 rating and a top 40 player nationally. I think you're being a little too harsh. I guess we'll see how he competes at elite 11, which I'm surprised he qualified for considering his Rees-like arm.

I think you are mis-understanding my comment about him having a Rees type arm. He isnt going to be a QB that his strength is longer throws. He is going to be a lot better in a offense that is like Oregons. Where there are tons of screens, crossing routes, and short to intermediate playaction. He doesnt have a Golson/Barnett arm where the 30yard+ throws are just second nature.

I think Notre Dame didnt run a favorable offense for Rees in 2013. Martins personnel packages really hurt the offense and they didnt play to Rees strengths. Rees had an arm that could have easily won 10 games in 2013. Rees decision making is the reason ND dropped Pitt/Stanford/Oklahoma. Im sure you can put Michigan on him, but the defense was worse than Rees. Martin put him in situations that made him take chances. Granted the QB has to know that he can or cant make a throw.

Waller as I have stated doesnt have a cannon for an arm. Can he win a lot of games with his arm? Absolutely. That is why I would be more than happy with him if he was part of the Irish program. In talking to some players who have played against him, and know him on a personal level, they say he is a great kid and would have a great impact in a locker room.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I'll admit I had similar impressions from his game tape, but I was watching ESB's film yesterday because I'd never gotten around to it (btw, WANT), and you see him unleash on some bigger, riskier throws. Not all of them are on a dime, but he's certainly got more firepower now than Ress had as a college senior. Unless Servite ran a 2 QB set, I'm not sure why Waller didn't include those same plays in his reel.

I agree with this. (See above post)

He had some big plays to ESB and you can see that on ESBs highlight tape. With that said, in most games in high school...teams are not going to be able to stop a future D1 QB and D1 wr.

The game that Servite played against St John Bosco (D1 feeder/Home of Rosen/Mama/etc) Waller was 6-13 for 38 yards 1INT and no TDs. Sure, bad games happen. But at the same time Rosen was 20-30 220yards 1td 1int. Yes, I understand St John Boscoe is a lot better than Servite last year, but you would like to see Waller throw for more than 40yards in the game. Servite plays great competition and that will pay off for him, but hes struggled throwing the ball vs good teams and some average ones.

 

[GBdomer]

"Isn't afraid of a little competition"

I've loved hearing these quotes and hearing this kid "just loves when the lights come on and is a leader"

 

[stlnd01]

I'm in no position to evaluate Waller's "Rees-like" arm or his skinny shoulders or whatever. But it does appear that he is the best QB with the most interest in Notre Dame left on the board, and I think we need a QB in this class. So I see no reason not to go get him.

 

[GBdomer]

If ND lands Waller

Then hits a homer with Henry and Eason I will allow it

 

[Huntr]

If ND lands Waller

Then hits a homer with Henry and Eason I will allow it

That was my thinking, too. Get someone decent now, if not a world beater, but nail it next year. ND still in good shape w/ remaining eligibility of current QBs, plus these hypothetical 2. No gnashing of teeth necessary.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I have some questions. If you could take a minute to explain several things to me I would appreciate it.

Kelly has said more than once three scholarship quarterbacks are ideal, with a fourth as a preferred walk-on.

Why do we need to push so hard this year?

Don't we have three scholarship quarterbacks with pretty darned high potential with 10 years of scholarship eligibility?

Is the reason we need to push because we have a perceived media, or public relations issue? (I don't even know quite how to say that.)

Would we be better off looking for an athlete first and quarterback second so they could fill in at another position instead of transfer out?

Is Porter Gustin a potential solution, or am I just crazy? (The guy can throw the football fairly well and he is quick, may be an incredible PR coups!)

At this point is our biggest need going forward getting one of these incredible prospects for '16? And would getting a great '15 at a late date make it less likely to get Eason or Malik?