'13 IL RB Ty Isaac (Michigan Transfer)

[ab2cmiller]

I know he said he wants to get this over quickly, but if he really has his heart set on ND, then he doesn't need to resolve it immediately. He still has to sit out a year.

He's probably seeking a waiver that would allow him to play this year.

 

[ND NYC]

can the kid play d line?

hoestly, i could care less if we get this kid or not...not a position of need IMO and i wasnt to impressed with him coming out of HS.
runs too "tall" for a RB for me...

 

[connect the dots]

can the kid play d line?

hoestly, i could care less if we get this kid or not...not a position of need IMO and i wasnt to impressed with him coming out of HS.
runs too "tall" for a RB for me...

The upright, too tall, long stride running style worked for Eric Dickerson and Marcus Allen. Allen, who played quarterback and safety in high school, was recruited to play defense for USC. Robinson recognized the athletic possibilities Marcus possessed, and moved him to tailback. Cogent Coach Robinson.

 

[woolybug25]

Still guessing Ty Isaac talks to USC and gets the mythical block dropped and has the ability to go to ND if he wants to.

I think USC will go with 'the customer is always right' on something like this if there's any confusion on whether or not they missed something when they attempted to block certain schools.

This is what I think happens. If Ty makes a stink, or threatens one, then USC will let him go. They know that every school will use it against them in recruiting if they don't.

It all depends on Ty.

 

[GoIrish41]

The upright, too tall, long stride running style worked for Eric Dickerson and Marcus Allen. Allen, who played quarterback and safety in high school, was recruited to play defense for USC. Robinson recognized the athletic possibilities Marcus possessed, and moved him to tailback. Cogent Coach Robinson.

Allen played fullback first ... blocking for Charles White.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Thank God we have fans like this that are keeping BK informed, cause I'm sure he has no clue what's going on.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly">@CoachBrianKelly</a> "Ty Isaac's mom says USC missed a deadline on his release which would allow him to look at any school."</p>— Samuel Carlson (@Catch37UND) <a href="https://twitter.com/Catch37UND/statuses/467375250129158144">May 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[AdmiralBackhand]

Facepalm.

 

[PANDFAN]

Thank God we have fans like this that are keeping BK informed, cause I'm sure he has no clue what's going on.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly">@CoachBrianKelly</a> "Ty Isaac's mom says USC missed a deadline on his release which would allow him to look at any school."</p>— Samuel Carlson (@Catch37UND) <a href="https://twitter.com/Catch37UND/statuses/467375250129158144">May 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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when i first read this...i was like no shit this has been posted all over since yesterday, then i was like <iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/zhJ55GsXRajxm" width="500" height="375" frameBorder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe>

 

[PANDFAN]

Welp. If Kelly is openly stating as much, that means we've got to be in contact with Ty, right?

didn't Hollywood say that there was talk about this back in Feb? so if Mike Frank is hearing it, you would ASSUME that it was coming out of our office

 

[ab2cmiller]

Forgive me if this is all common knowledge, but I spent some time trying to figure out the differences in consequences to not honoring the NLI (Vanderdoes) as compared to an NCAA transfer (Ty Isaac). I thought I would post in case others were curious too. Let me know if I have something wrong.

NLI issue

Not honoring the NLI requires the student to lose one season of competition in all sports and to serve one academic year in residence at the next NLI member institution unless released from the NLI. Also, fiive years to play four becomes four years to play three.

The NLI Release Request allows removal of the NLI Recruiting Ban from a student without granting a Complete Release. (This is what ND agreed to do with Eddie)

Recruiting Ban would be lifted for all NLI member institutions and cannot be restricted to certain institutions.

Athlete could still receive a scholarship at the new institution (I'm assuming this is only possible if the previous institution would allow the recruiting ban to be lifted. It doesn't seem feasible that a ban on recruiting could remain in place but the athlete accept a scholarship)

Transfer Situations

I'm not sure of the conference restrictions, but outside of that, the athlete can transfer wherever he wants and will be required to sit out one year of competition unless a waiver is granted. Unlike the NLI issue, no year of eligibility is burned unless the athlete has already used his redshirt. (five years to play four still applies)

- If the school grants permission to contact a certain school (or if the school doesn't respond in 7 business days to the written request) the athlete can transfer to that school and receive a scholarship.

- If the school doesn't grant permission to contact the athlete can still transfer to the new school, but the athlete will have to pay his own way for the first year and eligible for a scholarship the following year(s). Athlete would still be allowed to practice with the team.

 

[connor_in]

quick question: is there a difference in a "transfer" and a school "releasing you from your scholarship"

aslo just an FYI...they don't like us too much over at wearesc forums (surprise) and they keep saying we wouldn't do it for them and point to EV, and even tho they tend to mention "...and he didn't even set foot on campus..." no one points out the difference in a kid who played a year and petitioned to leave versus a NLI issue of a kid signing the contract with parental approval then backing out of it before the ink is dry without a valid precedent

 

[ab2cmiller]

quick question: is there a difference in a "transfer" and a school "releasing you from your scholarship"

aslo just an FYI...they don't like us too much over at wearesc forums (surprise) and they keep saying we wouldn't do it for them and point to EV, and even tho they tend to mention "...and he didn't even set foot on campus..." no one points out the difference in a kid who played a year and petitioned to leave versus a NLI issue of a kid signing the contract with parental approval then backing out of it before the ink is dry without a valid precedent

I think it's all semantics. I'm not even sure if there is such a thing as "releasing you from your scholarship". It all seems to be driven around "permission to contact". You literally can transfer anywhere (not sure about in conference transfers). If the school gives permission to contact, then you simply have less consequences since you can still accept a scholarship and not have to pay your own way for one year. It seems as "releasing you from your scholarship" is the equivalent of granting "permission to contact".

 

[Emcee77]

I think it's all semantics. I'm not even sure if there is such a thing as "releasing you from your scholarship". It all seems to be driven around "permission to contact". You literally can transfer anywhere (not sure about in conference transfers). If the school gives permission to contact, then you simply have less consequences since you can still accept a scholarship and not have to pay your own way for one year. It seems as "releasing you from your scholarship" is the equivalent of granting "permission to contact".

Right, I don't think there is really any such thing as being "released from your scholarship." I think it's that players ask for "permission to contact" new schools while they are still under scholarship at their original school. Then, once they work things out at the new school, they ask to be released from their NLI so they don't lose a year of eligibility for violating the NLI. If I'm right, "released from scholarship" is an imprecise and misleading phrase.

Man, it would be great if we could get a real compliance professional or NCAA lawyer in the IE chat for just like a HALF HOUR to ask him a few questions. Over the last two years I'm sure I've spent several hours trying to figure out how transfers really work, to learn what I could have learned in just a few minutes from a real expert.

 

[IrishInFl]

I don't think he's implying a conspiracy, just that a low level guy whose head would roll might be motivated to act on his own impetus.

 

[Buster Bluth]

One vBuck that Ty Isaac starts for ND against Rice. One bet only.

 

[zelezo vlk]

One vBuck that Try Isaac starts for ND against Rice. One bet only.

I'll take it.

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[koonja]

One vBuck that Ty Isaac starts for ND against Rice. One bet only.

You sure you don't want to take out insurance on such a steep bet?

Speaking of one vbuck bets, I never got my vbuck from beau over juju smith.

 

[BeauBenken]

Zero vBucks for any outcome pertaining or not pertaining Ty Isaac and the Notre Dame Fighting Irish. One bet only.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Interesting that he chose to respond to this guy. He almost sounds concerned that the news is leaking out.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/javila0525">@javila0525</a> who told you that</p>— Ty Isaac (@TyIsaac) <a href="https://twitter.com/TyIsaac/statuses/467410699644567552">May 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Cali_domer]

Interesting that he chose to respond to this guy. He almost sounds concerned that the news is leaking out.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/javila0525">@javila0525</a> who told you that</p>— Ty Isaac (@TyIsaac) <a href="https://twitter.com/TyIsaac/statuses/467410699644567552">May 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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My parsing of that is that Ty was surprised at an inaccurate statement.

 

[Ricochet]

can the kid play d line?

hoestly, i could care less if we get this kid or not...not a position of need IMO and i wasnt to impressed with him coming out of HS.
runs too "tall" for a RB for me...

I respect your opinion and what you like or dislike in a player but IMO that's me saying let's pass on Blake Barnett because he has a long and funky release.

IMO there is no question he's a 5 star talent and let's not forget he tested faster and quicker than both Folston and Bryant while carrying significantly more weight. He was also credited with the best hands in the class by most scouts.

As for position of need I disagree. While cupboard isn't bare it's also not well stocked or very proven.

Cam is a workhorse and is gone after this upcoming season only leaving Folston and Bryant and while we have high hopes for both they are far from proven as is Ty but the point is that the RB position is a position of need.

 

[CurtisCandy]

I don't have anything exciting to add, other than a redundant, "Damn, I hope this kid comes to ND!"

However, a lot of "Fuck USC" has been thrown around in here and I NEVER like to be left out of that.

Fuck USC!!



Thank you.

 

[Big23Head]

Exactly. I have no doubt that if SC missed the deadline, that fact will eventually come to light; the question is just whether it comes to light before Ty decides to say the hell with it and just go to Illinois or Northwestern or somewhere else.

From wearesc.com (I don't think this was posted)

Tom VanHaaren from ESPN talked with Karen Isaac, Ty's mom, and here are some of the quotes she gave about why Ty had to transfer.

"USC was a great place to be. Unfortunately because of some situations at home, Ty had to come back. It was a great experience for him. It was hard transferring, he made a lot of good friends but he’s going to stay in contact. He stopped in Vegas and visited with Grimble who just got drafted.

"As a family it was a decision that had to be made to be closer to home. He came home for me. I couldn’t fly, I have extreme pain when I fly due to a surgery on my ear. I’m completely deaf in my right ear so whenever I fly I have been losing hearing in my left ear. We told him when he went there that we would go to every game, but for me it became impossible. We asked for a release and they did grant it.

"He was released to 17 schools, he wasn’t released to Notre Dame. Coach Sharp at Joliet, he said that all 17 on the list, or most and others had already called Joliet Catholic as of Wednesday. We’re in the process of setting up visits. They are 17 really great schools to choose from. Michigan is on the list, Michigan State, Miami (Ohio) Chuck Martin is there he is one of Ty’s favorite coaches, Illinois, Northwestern. I don’t know who all Ty has talked to. He’s going to make a decision right away. He did sprain his ankle in the spring game, he’s going through rehab. He’s walking on it and looks good."

There are also some questions about the release that was granted because USC did not respond to some inquiries, not too many details but it's a situation that could bear watching.

"We do believe that USC missed the seven day deadline. We’re just waiting on them to reply to our inquries. They didn’t respond, you only have seven days to respond. The NCAA can be very vague. It’s all up to interpretation. The NCAA did say that they missed the time. If the institution doesn’t respond that means the student athlete gets a default release which means the school that he’s leaving can not put any restrictions on who he can talk to."

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I would have emphasized a different sentence there:

"We do believe that USC missed the seven day deadline. We’re just waiting on them to reply to our inquries. They didn’t respond, you only have seven days to respond. The NCAA can be very vague. It’s all up to interpretation. The NCAA did say that they missed the time. If the institution doesn’t respond that means the student athlete gets a default release which means the school that he’s leaving can not put any restrictions on who he can talk to."

While that's heartening, Mrs. Isaac is a lot closer to this situation than any of us, and she still makes it sound like there's a lot of uncertainty regarding the release. Unless that gets cleared up in a hurry, I wouldn't hold my breath for Ty.

 

[Big23Head]

I would have emphasized a different sentence there:

Haha good call.

 

[GBdomer]

Per Scott Schrader

Ty has said he will transfer to Northern Illinois, Illinois or Northwestern.

 

[koonja]

Per Scott Schrader

Ty has said he will transfer to Northern Illinois, Illinois or Northwestern.

Fine by me as long as it's not scUM. If he was to play LB, I'd like the idea more, but we're pretty set at RB and LB. He didn't add much depth at RB since he'd be in GB/Folston's class.

It was fun while it lasted!

 

[Irish Insanity]

Fine by me as long as it's not scUM. If he was to play LB, I'd like the idea more, but we're pretty set at RB and LB. He didn't add much depth at RB since he'd be in GB/Folston's class.

It was fun while it lasted!

As soon as It looks like he won't come, we didn't need him anyway........

 

[koonja]

As soon as It looks like he won't come, we didn't need him anyway........

I'd love to have him, but I'm just happy he's not going to UM. I never thought a sophomore RB was a need. If he was about to be a freshman or younger, that's a different story. But having 3 studs graduate at the same time is a luxury.

 

[scUM Hater]

Best suited for Northern Illinois. "Draft Experts" love the MAC.

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