Donald Sterling is not a progressive thinker

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

OT but i always wondered does LA really need the Clippers ?

that city cant its pro sports right. 2 mlb, 2 nba 1 nhl...and no nfl team?

what the hell is a 'Clipper' anyways?

No, LA doesn't, but the Clippers make a ton of money by playing in LA so there is no reason to move. Even though they have two of every major sport besides the NFL, those teams are still making bank because of the huge market.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The bottom line is: Sterling being racist was going to cost the NBA a lot of money with sponsors and potential boycotts, so they got rid of him. Players arrested for domestic violence and DUIs aren't costing in the NFL money on a large scale. That's why one gets a ban and the other doesn't.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This 'slippery slope' argument is kind of bunk. Unless the future victim of this 'witchhunt' has a) a history of racist behavior, and b) power over the folks he is racist about, it's not the same thing.

I agree that those two factors you mentioned are important, but it only refutes the "slippery slope" argument if the McCarthy-ites enforcing these ideological purity tests abide by it. As I mentioned before, since: (1) Sterling's history of racial discrimination is well-documented; and (2) I see no problem with the legalities involved with forcing him to sell his team, it's hard to argue that Sterling's the victim of injustice here. But because of other recent ideological witch hunts, I'm uncomfortable with the way this all came about.

Let's apply your two-factor test to the Brendan Eich case. As CEO of Mozilla, he definitely had power over his gay employees. But other than a $1,000 donation to California's Prop 8 initiative made 6 years prior, the man had absolutely no history of animus towards gays. Yet he was still forced to resign.

So it's not so much the Sterling case itself, but how his case fits into a broader trend of Progressive intolerance that disturbs me.

 

[pkt77242]

I agree that those two factors you mentioned are important, but it only refutes the "slippery slope" argument if the McCarthy-ites enforcing these ideological purity tests abide by it. As I mentioned before, since: (1) Sterling's history of racial discrimination is well-documented; and (2) I see no problem with the legalities involved with forcing him to sell his team, it's hard to argue that Sterling's the victim of injustice here. But because of other recent ideological witch hunts, I'm uncomfortable with the way this all came about.

Let's apply your two-factor test to the Brendan Eich case. As CEO of Mozilla, he definitely had power over his gay employees. But other than a $1,000 donation to California's Prop 8 initiative made 6 years prior, the man had absolutely no history of animus towards gays. Yet he was still forced to resign.

So it's not so much the Sterling case itself, but how his case fits into a broader trend of Progressive intolerance that disturbs me.

While I can understand your point, I don't think it is just progressive intolerance that causes the problem, I think our society has become so polarized that everyone must get their way (and this goes for all sides, liberal, conservative, etc) or they throw a huge fit. Words like compromise have become dirty, along with words like bipartisan. This is a both side issue not just a liberal issue.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Well, at least progressives let the people they disagree with live...

 

[wizards8507]

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[kmoose]

While I can understand your point, I don't think it is just progressive intolerance that causes the problem, I think our society has become so polarized that everyone must get their way (and this goes for all sides, liberal, conservative, etc) or they throw a huge fit. Words like compromise have become dirty, along with words like bipartisan. This is a both side issue not just a liberal issue.

I couldn't agree more, and I will even go one further: It's not that everyone has to get their way, it's that everyone has to WIN! Win at all costs!! Look no further than College Football; remember when being a perennial Top 10 team was considered a success? Not nowadays.......... these days, no one cares how many times you have finished in the Top 10, if you have not won a National Championship. Look at Obamacare: If the ACA is successful, then the Democrats win (as in votes). If the Democrats win, then the Republicans have to lose. That's the stand that people are taking these days. You either win it all, or you are a loser. It's a mindset that just might cause the downfall of the greatest nation ever to grace the planet.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

While I can understand your point, I don't think it is just progressive intolerance that causes the problem, I think our society has become so polarized that everyone must get their way (and this goes for all sides, liberal, conservative, etc) or they throw a huge fit. Words like compromise have become dirty, along with words like bipartisan. This is a both side issue not just a liberal issue.

Both major parties in this country are politically liberal, so I'm not sure that's a helpful distinction. It's important to distinguish between liberals and Progressives. Pluralism and tolerance of unpopular opinions are cornerstones of liberalism; but Progressivism, interpreting history as an unrelenting march toward equality, peace and prosperity, believes it has all the right answers, and therefore sees no need to tolerate dissent.

Progressives aren't alone in this, of course. The Abrahamic religions have all gone through periods of equally intolerant behavior. But none of the Abrahamic religions currently wields the hammer of the State in America, while Progressivism does. As an orthodox Catholic, the spate of recent court decisions stating that there is no basis for opposition to SSM other than naked animus towards gays, Brendan Eich getting forced to resign over a political contribution, etc. are very concerning to me.

Well, at least progressives let the people they disagree with live...

Who's getting murdered for having an unpopular opinion?

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Both major parties in this country are politically liberal, so I'm not sure that's a helpful distinction. It's important to distinguish between liberals and Progressives. Pluralism and tolerance of unpopular opinions are cornerstones of liberalism; but Progressivism, interpreting history as an unrelenting march toward equality, peace and prosperity, believes it has all the right answers, and therefore sees no need to tolerate dissent.

Progressives aren't alone in this, of course. The Abrahamic religions have all gone through periods of equally intolerant behavior. But none of the Abrahamic religions currently wields the hammer of the State in America, while Progressivism does. As an orthodox Catholic, the spate of recent court decisions stating that there is no basis for opposition to SSM other than naked animus towards gays, Brendan Eich getting forced to resign over a political contribution, etc. are very concerning to me.



Who's getting murdered for having an unpopular opinion?

Black people were murdered for all sorts of reasons in the 1960's (and all the way leading up to that).

I would say how progressives handle those they disagree with is an improvement.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Black people were murdered for all sorts of reasons in the 1960's (and all the way leading up to that).

I would say how progressives handle those they disagree with is an improvement.

So as long as they're not murdering those who disagree with them, Progressive witch hunters are above reproach? Clearing the bar set by the KKK isn't much of an accomplishment.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Is it me or does many of the people interested in buying the Clippers hold racists views themselves against one group of people or another? What makes them any different than douchebag Donald Sterling? Is their racism more "politically correct" than Sterlings?

The slope here can get mighty slippery. And just so I am clear.... I am not defending Sterling and his racist beliefs.

 

[ACamp1900]

I must have missed it, other than Magic, who has come out wanting to buy them??

 

[T Town Tommy]

I must have missed it, other than Magic, who has come out wanting to buy them??

Oprah Winfrey, David Geffen, and Larry Ellison, Floyd M, Dr Dre, S. Combs, Rick Ross, are a few of the names I have seen as serious - and having the means to partner up to do it.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Oprah

Floyd Maywether

 

[ACamp1900]

Oprah Winfrey, David Geffen, and Larry Ellison, Floyd M, Dr Dre, S. Combs, Rick Ross, are a few of the names I have seen as serious - and having the means to partner up to do it.

Oprah would be pretty cool.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Oprah can sure as hell afford it.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

So as long as they're not murdering those who disagree with them, Progressive witch hunters are above reproach? Clearing the bar set by the KKK isn't much of an accomplishment.

I never said "above reproach" I said "at least they let them live." It's an improvement and I don't see how one can argue otherwise.

I dont think this was the KKK

 

[gkIrish]

So Donald Sterling has prostate cancer...kind of called this one (although I thought it would be a mental health problem.)

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Well, at least prostate cancer is by far the most survivable. So he's got that going, which is nice.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Both major parties in this country are politically liberal, so I'm not sure that's a helpful distinction. It's important to distinguish between liberals and Progressives. Pluralism and tolerance of unpopular opinions are cornerstones of liberalism; but Progressivism, interpreting history as an unrelenting march toward equality, peace and prosperity, believes it has all the right answers, and therefore sees no need to tolerate dissent.

Progressives aren't alone in this, of course. The Abrahamic religions have all gone through periods of equally intolerant behavior. But none of the Abrahamic religions currently wields the hammer of the State in America, while Progressivism does. As an orthodox Catholic, the spate of recent court decisions stating that there is no basis for opposition to SSM other than naked animus towards gays, Brendan Eich getting forced to resign over a political contribution, etc. are very concerning to me.



Who's getting murdered for having an unpopular opinion?

I just reread this. Interesting you see this country as liberal. I see it as beyond common sense. Point by point.

To quote from someone smarter that I, the late Gore Vidal :

It isn’t an opposition party. I have been saying for the last thousand years that the United States has only one party—the property party. It’s the party of big corporations, the party of money. It has two right wings; one is Democrat and the other is Republican.

This said by a man who found one of the most endearing qualities of Americans is their love of money above all else.

And who is getting murdered? Lenore Draper. Because who really wants change? Everyone is really a hypocrite (almost)!

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Leonore Draper was a woman who fought for the young people in her community in Chicago. She was on the committee of an anti-violence nonprofit organization looking to make a difference. But a woman who worked so hard to curb the gun violence sadly lost her life on Friday night after being gunned down in her car–after leaving an anti-violence event.

According to an ABC affiliate in Chicago, Draper was coming home from a youth anti-violence fundraiser called A Charitable Confection on Friday evening, an event she reportedly helped to organize, when she was shot in the arm and in the chest while sitting in her car. This all happened in the West Pullman neighborhood on the South Side. She was rushed to the hospital, but died soon after.

Draper’s family is speaking out on the loss of the 32-year-old, a budget analyst for Chicago Public Schools and makeup artist, who leaves behind a husband and a cause that she was so passionate about:

“We believe it quite ironic that Leonore’s life ended violently when she was so committed to the betterment of our community.

We mourn for Leonore and the many victims of violence whose lives have been negatively impacted by the actions of morally depraved persons, many of whom have easy access to firearms sold by unchecked gun brokers throughout the country. We call on our mayor and other state and local government officials to redouble their efforts at curtailing access to firearms by criminals.”​

And her good friend and college roommate, Jocelyn Delk Adams, had this to say to the ABC affiliate about Draper and the gun violence affecting neighborhoods and the people in them on the South Side:

“

Leonore was a bright light. She was one of my best friends. A friend I had had for 10 years. Someone everyone was pulled towards because of her personality. A bright light. Everyone that met her just loved her.

We need to stop this. We’re losing people that don’t need to be lost, that have so many years left, that have so many dreams left to fulfill. There needs to be something done.”​

Police are trying to figure out if Draper was the intended target in this shooting, or if she was an innocent bystander caught up in drive-by shooting. An investigation has been opened to find the answers.
- See more at: Anti-Gun Violence Activist Leonore Draper Gunned Down In Chicago | MadameNoire

So this whole conversation is at one level, and we end up arguing our own passions and prejudices, and while we are rendering ourselves impotent with our massive intellects, and matching egos, we are giving away the keys, or birthright if you will to the animals. The animals have been trained and raised and fed by those in charge. Those in charge? The ones who have taken from us because we have given sensibility up.

We spend countless time debating the merits of a rich old asshole on his last legs, while responsible, educated, and rational African Americans are begging for National Guard intervention into "Chiraq!" For those of you who suffer from first world white, that is what residents call large parts of in city, south side Chicago. (The parts whites built expressways to pass safely through.)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I never said "above reproach" I said "at least they let them live." It's an improvement and I don't see how one can argue otherwise.

I dont think this was the KKK

Theophilus Eugene "Bull" Connor (July 11, 1897 – March 10, 1973) was the Commissioner of Public Safety for the city of Birmingham, Alabama, during the American Civil Rights Movement. His office gave him responsibility for administrative oversight of the Birmingham Fire Department and the Birmingham Police Department, which had their own chiefs.

Connor's actions to enforce racial segregation and deny civil rights to Black citizens, especially during the Southern Christian Leadership Conference's Birmingham Campaign of 1963, made him an international symbol of racism. Connor directed the use of fire hoses and police attack dogs against peaceful demonstrators, including children.[1][2] These tactics backfired when the spectacle of the brutality broadcast on national television served as one of the catalysts for major social and legal change in the Southern United States and contributed to passage by the United States Congress of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.[3]

Connor was considered a pillar of his community, a devout Christian, and protector of the rights of the citizens of Birmingham.

Connor entered politics as a Democrat in 1934, winning a seat in the Alabama House of Representatives.[4] As a legislator he supported populist measures and pro-union issues. He voted for extending the poll tax and against an anti-sedition bill meant to stifle union activity.[citation needed] He did not stand for a second term in 1936, instead running for Commissioner of Public Safety for the City of Birmingham. In 1936, Connor was elected to the office of Commissioner of Public Safety, beginning the first of two stretches that spanned a total of 26 years. Connor's first term ended in 1952, but he resumed the post four years later.

In 1938, Connor became a candidate for Governor of Alabama. He announced he would be campaigning on a platform of "protecting employment practices, law enforcement, segregation and other problems that have been historically classified as states' rights by the Democratic party".

In 1948, Connor's officers arrested U.S. Senator from Idaho, Glen H. Taylor, the running mate of Progressive presidential candidate (and former Democratic Vice President) Henry Wallace. Taylor, who had attempted to speak to the Southern Negro Youth Congress, was arrested for violating Birmingham's segregation laws. Connor's concerted effort to enforce the law was sparked by the group's reported communist philosophy, with Connor noting at the time, "There's not enough room in town for Bull and the Commies."

During the 1948 Democratic National Convention, Connor led the Alabama delegation in a walkout when the national party included a civil rights plank in its platform.[3] The offshoot States' Rights Democratic Party (Dixiecrats) nominated Strom Thurmond for president at its convention in Birmingham's Municipal Auditorium[5]

A second run for Governor fell flat in 1954, but Connor remained a focal point of controversy that year by pushing through a new city ordinance in Birmingham that outlawed communism.

In late 1951, Connor's wife reportedly witnessed an incident of police brutality by Henry Darnell. Connor investigated and charged Darnell with conduct unbecoming of an officer. The issues between the two men truly on December 26 when Connor was arrested, five days after having been found in a hotel room with his 34-year-old secretary, Christina Brown, following a Christmas party. Claiming he was set up, Connor nonetheless was convicted, fined $100 and given a 180-day sentence. Impeachment proceedings followed soon after, but on June 11, 1952, the conviction was thrown out by the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals. The controversy led Connor to announce that he would not run again for the city commissioner position.

And we all know Strom Thurmond, who was :

James Strom Thurmond (December 5, 1902 – June 26, 2003) was an American politician who served for 48 years as a United States Senator. He ran for president in 1948 as the States Rights Democratic Party candidate, receiving 2.4% of the popular vote and 39 electoral votes. Thurmond represented South Carolina in the United States Senate from 1954 until 2003, at first as a Democrat and, after 1964, as a Republican. He switched because of his opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, disaffection with the liberalism of the national party, and his support for the conservatism and opposition to the Civil Rights bill of the Republican presidential candidate Senator Barry Goldwater.[2][3] He left office as the only member of either house of Congress to reach the age of 100 while still in office, and as the oldest-serving and longest-serving senator in U.S. history (although he was later surpassed in length of service by Robert Byrd and Daniel Inouye).[4] Thurmond holds the record as the longest-serving member of Congress to serve exclusively in the Senate, and is also the longest-serving Republican member of Congress in U.S. history. At 14 years, he was also the longest-serving Dean of the United States Senate in U.S. history.

In opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1957, he conducted the longest filibuster ever by a lone senator, at 24 hours and 18 minutes in length, nonstop. In the 1960s, he opposed the civil rights legislation of 1964 and 1965 to end segregation and enforce the voting rights of African-American citizens. He always insisted he had never been a racist, but was opposed to excessive federal authority, and he attributed the movement for integration to Communist agitators.[5] In 1948, Thurmond stated:

all the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, into our schools, our churches and our places of recreation and amusement.[5]

Starting in the 1970s, he moderated his position on race, but continued to defend his early segregationist campaigns on the basis of states' rights in the context of Southern society at the time,[6] never fully renouncing his earlier viewpoints.[7][8]

Six months after Thurmond's death in 2003, it was revealed that at age 22, he had fathered a mixed-race daughter, Essie Mae Washington-Williams, with his family's maid, Carrie Butler, a 16-year-old black girl. Although Thurmond never publicly acknowledged Essie Mae, he paid for her education at a historically black college and passed other money to her for some time. She kept silent out of respect for her father[9] and denied that the two had agreed that she would not reveal her connection to Thurmond.[10] His children by his marriage eventually acknowledged her.[9]

Most of what we see is an illusion, like a beautiful stage setting, and most of what is real, that stands behind it with substance to prop it up is based upon hypocrisy.

 

[Cackalacky]

V.Stiviano is out in a visor. So wierd.

V. Stiviano has been parading around Los Angeles in her now-trademark face visor — and even has an entourage decked out in baseball caps bearing her name.
During a bizarre encounter with photographers outside a La Brea Avenue restaurant, Stiviano — whose recording of Sterling got the LA Clippers owner banned for life from the NBA — claimed that she would eventually lead the free world.
“One day, I will become president of the United States of America. And I will change the legislation and laws,” she said, according to video posted online. “Modern-day history. Civil-rights movement.”

Tick-tock....

 

[ACamp1900]

Sad thing is, at this point, I could TOTALLY see her winning a major election...

 

[Cackalacky]

 

[Irish#1]

So Donald Sterling has prostate cancer...kind of called this one (although I thought it would be a mental health problem.)

trying to pull some sympathy out of this. I've had prostate cancer and I have no sympathy for this douche bag.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Per CNN, the new Los Angeles Clippers CEO will be Richard Parsons, who in recent years was chairman of Time Warner and Citicorp.

 

[Irish Insanity]

There were some other tapes released today. Cowherd had them and played them. From a Radar online interview. The things that were said were simply creepy. Used the excuse that he'd say anything to have sex with a woman. That when he meets them he's doing so to 'come to play.' It was weird.

 

[Ndaccountant]

SIAP

It’s Impossible To Say Whose Voice That Was, But He Made Some Compelling Points | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

[GoIrish41]

There were some other tapes released today. Cowherd had them and played them. From a Radar online interview. The things that were said were simply creepy. Used the excuse that he'd say anything to have sex with a woman. That when he meets them he's doing so to 'come to play.' It was weird.

This guy is a creep. Also, how is making racial slurs to a minority woman going to get them in bed? I just don't get the logic. The only thing this guy has that would get a woman into bed is a gigantic pile of cash.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This guy is a creep. Also, how is making racial slurs to a minority woman going to get them in bed? I just don't get the logic. The only thing this guy has that would get a woman into bed is a gigantic pile of cash.

It's apparently pretty effective.