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And there WILL be divorce proceedings.
18Yr Old Sues for Support After Moving Out
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And there WILL be divorce proceedings.
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Sugardaddy.com (or something like that) and she can find someone to pay for her college.
She should apply to USC I heard they are one of the top schools for things like this.
She should apply to USC I heard they are one of the top schools for things like this.
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You put in two quarters and a penny, and then the penny comes out stretched out as a souvenir, right?
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I think the bolded is the key point here.
It seems that the concept of "living on a budget" and planning in general in modern times is going by the wayside more and more. While the advances in technology are great for the most part, it has also conditioned us to demand instant gratification. Since so much is available at our fingertips today, we've forgotten (or some don't even know what it was like before through no fault of their own, simply due to age) to an extent what it was like prior to this. I chuckle sometimes when I watch Seinfeld re-runs where the characters can't get ahold of each other in a crucial situation simply because they didn't have cell phones (other than the bag phones LOL). The fact that you may have to plan out your life and maybe make some lifestyle adjustments in order to get something that is very important to you, say a valued higher education degree for example, is replaced by the perceived "right" to do so without sacrafice, thus the instant gratification.
Now I can see where some may say that we are entitled (or have a "right") to certain things such as a good education, and I would generally agree. But does that mean we are all entitled to go to Harvard? Maybe, if we plan it out properly, but then again maybe not. Let's look at it another way - I think most of us can agree that in modern society we are all entitled to safe transportation, but are we all entitled to a Ferrari?
The bottom line is, yes great things can still be done, but it often takes a corresponding effort to do so. To lament this required effort without first attempting to do so is again a fall back to instant gratification.
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I believe the words are in a manner to which she is accustomed.
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The other side is love. There was more love, because that was what we had, if we had it. There weren't things. We did for others. We did back and forth. We enjoyed spending time together. We enjoyed helping each other out.
To a degree.
We are not perfect, and we were not. We did a lot of things wrong. There were trying times, but we were linked closer together, if for no reason more than survival!
Edit: The point of this is before we had the raging over consumerism that America has suffered from in recent decades, we (as children) had a chance to observe our parents love through sacrifice. Whether it was them going without something for our betterment, or a mother "staying home" to provide the care she deemed appropriate instead of searching for personal fulfillment in a career, we saw more examples of our parents love. We saw them in action. Everyday. I believe from my first hand observations, most kids don't see their parents making sacrifices today, even when they do.
To a degree.
We are not perfect, and we were not. We did a lot of things wrong. There were trying times, but we were linked closer together, if for no reason more than survival!
Edit: The point of this is before we had the raging over consumerism that America has suffered from in recent decades, we (as children) had a chance to observe our parents love through sacrifice. Whether it was them going without something for our betterment, or a mother "staying home" to provide the care she deemed appropriate instead of searching for personal fulfillment in a career, we saw more examples of our parents love. We saw them in action. Everyday. I believe from my first hand observations, most kids don't see their parents making sacrifices today, even when they do.
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A two year hitch in the military would do this spoiled brat girl a world of good. I was certainly never a perfect dad, but throughout their lives I taught my kids responsibility and that there were consequences, good or bad, for all their actions. They've all turned out well. I'm especially proud of my oldest daughter who insisted she wanted to prove to us and herself that she could pay her own way through college. Two or three times per year she'll call needing a couple of hundred bucks for an emergency, but she's been about 98% self-supporting since she left for college.
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I wish you "personal responsibility" types would join me in the politics thread once in awhile.
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LOL, I usually burn out of the non-football threads after a couple days, seeing as I will say my piece knowing I'm probably not going to convince those who wish to stick to their opinions (which is fine), but at least I get it off my chest on a topic that interests me. Anything more after that just seems to end up in a circular slugfest.
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I'm going to guess the lawyer father of the friend pawned this off on another lawyer in his firm understanding the only way they get paid is if they get the fees paid by the defendant. Rack up some ridiculous fees on the off chance they are forced to pay up.
Either way, the guy must be an embarrassment to the entire profession. His quotes are disgusting and I would hope there is some type of personal grudge b/w the families to validate him sticking his nose where it doesn't belong.
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Disclaimer: I am a personal responsibility type. But that is about me, because I don't want to judge anyone other than myself and my minor children. This is the rub. When it comes to character, and living life, minor children are like joey's living in their momma's pouches. A child needs to grow to (or in) responsibility, not be disfigured, scarred, or crippled by it. Mal-adjusted exercises in responsibility can happen from no responsibility, or too much or too vindictive an application of responsibility, in my humble opinion. So if it is about hanging someone out because they are emotionally crippled, I am out.
My oldest three, almost 33, almost 31, and 20 all decided that they would follow their own star. The oldest had a job when he was 16, playing sports, and going to high school. They offered him such money when graduated that he almost had to take it. So did his industry stop at making more because of sheer hustle and salesmanship? No.
His first "home" after he left was with a house full of strippers. No kidding, seven or eight good (insanely great) looking girls and him. Most of the girls were going to college, and wanted to work and go home. He discouraged any kind of hangers on. The pay wasn't great, but the cost savings and benefits were outrageous. They cooked him all his meals, too!
Second son waited, and went to school on athletic and leadership scholarships. I saw him in action. You could not get him as a waiter without your day improving dramatically. At the first restaurant he worked at as a waiter he confided in me, he worked out an arrangement with the manager so he didn't have to disclose his tip amount, because his tips averaged about double the average wait staff's earnings. He chipped in extra for the buss staff, and kept his earnings quiet. I asked him about the whole situation, and he was afraid his coworkers would get bitter, because they thought that they worked as hard as he did, which he acknowledged. He told me that some worked harder than him, really busted their asses, but they just didn't know how to make people feel good and well served, like he did. The other staff always chased his seating assignments.
Got his four year degree in five years, because he took a semester off each when is grandma (maternal) was dying, and to help with my mother when my dad died. Then, after getting married, he went back to work full time as a shift manager at a fast food restaurant. He completed his MBA in three semesters. He now works for a major international manufacturer in town. I checked on him with someone else I know in the company. They called his rise, "meteoric." The kid made all district in football. His coach said he would never stop. And that he was mentally the toughest kid he ever coached in twenty plus years. He never stopped.
My oldest kid got in one scrape at school, I talked to the school Superintendent and Maintenance supervisor. Instead of having "juvenile charges filed and suspended", I cut a deal. They never filed any charges for minor trespassing. (Being in the gym after school hours, shooting hoops. He spent a whole Easter Vacation cleaning toilets and empty lockers.
The second one was bullying (or teasing) a girl with his little friends. They took nine bucks out of a whole wad of cash she had been flashing, after she set it on a desk, while she wasn't looking. The sheriff deputy and football coach gave everyone one chance to bring the money up. Expulsion was the next step. My son got up, told them he was in on it, surrendered the $3 and said that he was sorry he did it, but he wouldn't identify anyone else. They asked him if that was the case, even if it cost him the rest of his freshman football season in eligibility. He answered affirmative.
When I got home and found out about it he was shaking. That was a funny story. He asked what his punishment was. I told him to look at himself in the mirror. I told him that I couldn't think of anything close to the wreck he had made of himself, and what he had done to his public reputation. All I made him do was write a letter of apology to those involved, (the teacher, girl, coach, principle, etc.) His letter to the coach said in part, "the worst thing about it is for three dollars I cost myself so much because I realize I ruined my reputation with all of you. And I am willing to put the hard work in to earn it back. That kid started varsity before the end of his sophomore year. He ended up NHS, National Merritt Finalist, 3.75 GPA, All-league, All District, on the Student Council, with five football scholarship offers and a full academic scholarship with his qualification for a series of Leadership Awards. He never looked back.
Number three did choose a tougher road and became a mom about three or four years to early by my book, but she has love, and our biggest arguments are over her accepting a few bucks here or there.
She was my "rebel without a clue", a really tough first daughter, but she is doing a great job as a mother with "Number 5", and a better mother you could not ask to see. She had it tough, though so I give her leeway. Believe it or not she had four (close) friends growing up that have passed away, the first was her best friend when they were 14 and 15 respectively. More unusual, it was natural causes. Another in a pedestrian -train accident. A fifth friend survived. A motor vehicle accident, and of course one suicide. I still pray for them.
So sometimes surviving and thriving is a great outcome. She is a tough cookie, and a very old soul, but in spite of, or maybe because of her suffering, she treats herself and others with respect.
There is nothing big here. I didn't do a "GREAT JOB." What I did was take pride in myself. Do the best I could. Admit when I made a mistake, and I never expected them to do something that I wouldn't or couldn't. The set goals and achieved them. They fought with each other, and went toe to toe with me at times, but in the end, they learned to like themselves and respect others. And be polite. That was always a biggie with me.
My oldest three, almost 33, almost 31, and 20 all decided that they would follow their own star. The oldest had a job when he was 16, playing sports, and going to high school. They offered him such money when graduated that he almost had to take it. So did his industry stop at making more because of sheer hustle and salesmanship? No.
His first "home" after he left was with a house full of strippers. No kidding, seven or eight good (insanely great) looking girls and him. Most of the girls were going to college, and wanted to work and go home. He discouraged any kind of hangers on. The pay wasn't great, but the cost savings and benefits were outrageous. They cooked him all his meals, too!
Second son waited, and went to school on athletic and leadership scholarships. I saw him in action. You could not get him as a waiter without your day improving dramatically. At the first restaurant he worked at as a waiter he confided in me, he worked out an arrangement with the manager so he didn't have to disclose his tip amount, because his tips averaged about double the average wait staff's earnings. He chipped in extra for the buss staff, and kept his earnings quiet. I asked him about the whole situation, and he was afraid his coworkers would get bitter, because they thought that they worked as hard as he did, which he acknowledged. He told me that some worked harder than him, really busted their asses, but they just didn't know how to make people feel good and well served, like he did. The other staff always chased his seating assignments.
Got his four year degree in five years, because he took a semester off each when is grandma (maternal) was dying, and to help with my mother when my dad died. Then, after getting married, he went back to work full time as a shift manager at a fast food restaurant. He completed his MBA in three semesters. He now works for a major international manufacturer in town. I checked on him with someone else I know in the company. They called his rise, "meteoric." The kid made all district in football. His coach said he would never stop. And that he was mentally the toughest kid he ever coached in twenty plus years. He never stopped.
My oldest kid got in one scrape at school, I talked to the school Superintendent and Maintenance supervisor. Instead of having "juvenile charges filed and suspended", I cut a deal. They never filed any charges for minor trespassing. (Being in the gym after school hours, shooting hoops. He spent a whole Easter Vacation cleaning toilets and empty lockers.
The second one was bullying (or teasing) a girl with his little friends. They took nine bucks out of a whole wad of cash she had been flashing, after she set it on a desk, while she wasn't looking. The sheriff deputy and football coach gave everyone one chance to bring the money up. Expulsion was the next step. My son got up, told them he was in on it, surrendered the $3 and said that he was sorry he did it, but he wouldn't identify anyone else. They asked him if that was the case, even if it cost him the rest of his freshman football season in eligibility. He answered affirmative.
When I got home and found out about it he was shaking. That was a funny story. He asked what his punishment was. I told him to look at himself in the mirror. I told him that I couldn't think of anything close to the wreck he had made of himself, and what he had done to his public reputation. All I made him do was write a letter of apology to those involved, (the teacher, girl, coach, principle, etc.) His letter to the coach said in part, "the worst thing about it is for three dollars I cost myself so much because I realize I ruined my reputation with all of you. And I am willing to put the hard work in to earn it back. That kid started varsity before the end of his sophomore year. He ended up NHS, National Merritt Finalist, 3.75 GPA, All-league, All District, on the Student Council, with five football scholarship offers and a full academic scholarship with his qualification for a series of Leadership Awards. He never looked back.
Number three did choose a tougher road and became a mom about three or four years to early by my book, but she has love, and our biggest arguments are over her accepting a few bucks here or there.
She was my "rebel without a clue", a really tough first daughter, but she is doing a great job as a mother with "Number 5", and a better mother you could not ask to see. She had it tough, though so I give her leeway. Believe it or not she had four (close) friends growing up that have passed away, the first was her best friend when they were 14 and 15 respectively. More unusual, it was natural causes. Another in a pedestrian -train accident. A fifth friend survived. A motor vehicle accident, and of course one suicide. I still pray for them.
So sometimes surviving and thriving is a great outcome. She is a tough cookie, and a very old soul, but in spite of, or maybe because of her suffering, she treats herself and others with respect.
There is nothing big here. I didn't do a "GREAT JOB." What I did was take pride in myself. Do the best I could. Admit when I made a mistake, and I never expected them to do something that I wouldn't or couldn't. The set goals and achieved them. They fought with each other, and went toe to toe with me at times, but in the end, they learned to like themselves and respect others. And be polite. That was always a biggie with me.
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I hope the parents file a bar complaint against him. I despise that type of lawyer. Gives us all a bad name.
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You can believe personally responsibility, and still acknowledge that we live in a society.
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The worse part is the piece of crap has to know he is gonna lose. Clearly a publicity stunt to get some attention if you ask me.
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Suffice it to say, a large portion of the Western world now knows what a headcase this girl is. Good luck finding a job, Rachel.
Suffice it to say, a large portion of the Western world now knows what a headcase this girl is. Good luck finding a job, Rachel.
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EXCLUSIVE - Now it's PARENTS at war: Father of boyfriend accused of 'corrupting' cheerleader who's suing her mom and dad furiously hits back at claims he drove her home drunk at 3.30am | Mail Online
Phone message left for Liz Canning from Rachel at July 2, 2013 1:18pm, submitted to Morris County Court, which got the judge apparently so angry:
'Hi mom just to let you know you're a real f**king winner aren't you you think you're so cool and you think you caught me throwing up in the bathroom after eating an egg frittatta, yeah sorry that you have problems now and you need to harp on mine because i didn't and i actually took a s*** which i really just wanna s*** all over your face right now because it looks like that anyway, anyway i f***ing hate you and um I've written you off so don't talk to me, don't do anything I'm blocking you from just about everything, have a nice life, bye mom'
Phone message left for Liz Canning from Rachel at July 2, 2013 1:18pm, submitted to Morris County Court, which got the judge apparently so angry:
'Hi mom just to let you know you're a real f**king winner aren't you you think you're so cool and you think you caught me throwing up in the bathroom after eating an egg frittatta, yeah sorry that you have problems now and you need to harp on mine because i didn't and i actually took a s*** which i really just wanna s*** all over your face right now because it looks like that anyway, anyway i f***ing hate you and um I've written you off so don't talk to me, don't do anything I'm blocking you from just about everything, have a nice life, bye mom'
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Hahahahaha. This is a quote from the dad.
Maybe that's where you went wrong, dumbass. You probably should have tried "parenting" instead of being your daughter's BFF.
Maybe that's where you went wrong, dumbass. You probably should have tried "parenting" instead of being your daughter's BFF.
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Is that how good parenting works, kicking the crap out of them? Demeaning them? I mean because that is the message I am getting with "Haha . . ha."; "that is where you went wrong, dumbass."; "have tried "parenting" instead of being your daughter's BFF."
All these indicate that you have this negative view of parenting and that you are positive that the only effective parenting is negative. Because I can be kind and loving, make a lot of mistakes, and still out-parent a whole lot of people that laugh less and kick more ass. It is all because I know one simple secret. It was in my house growing up, but I didn't see it. I began focusing on it in the service. It guarantees me a successful outcome in every group endeavor. (Parenting is a group endeavor, the group of course is the family.)
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SMDH.....
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What on earth are you talking about? I don't think parents should try to be best buddies with their kids, so that must mean I advocate child abuse? Is that what you're saying?
There are four primary parenting styles: Neglectful, Indulgent, Authoritarian, and Authoritative. I'll let you do your own research to define them. Parents have become so fearful of being "Authoritarian" that they've become completely Indulgent. All the research shows that successful child-rearing generally follows the "Authoritative" path.
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Are you SYDH at me, or the situation?
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Low bar and this guy tripped over it, right!