'10 NC DE Prince Shembo (In hot water)

[ThePiombino]

I've been trying to get people to avoid talking about this story but since it's out in the open now...

This "reporter" is a clown and all you need to know about that article is found in the last paragraph. What in the world does Michael Sam have to do with the Seeburg story? Absolutely nothing. This dude is just looking for hits off google searches of Sam. Thank you to the OP for quoting the article rather than posting the link.

FIFY

 

[ND-North]

I don't post here much but I personally knew Shembo and the kid who sent the infamous "don't mess with ND" text message. First off that kid was a piece of shit and I firmly believe he acted independently. Secondly what Prince did was completely innocent by college standards and he even stopped when she told him to. Now Prince is definitely not the smartest guy so who knows if he said something inappropriate but he didn't seem like the kind of kid that would do something malicious on purpose. I did not know Lizzy and the whole situation is really unfortunate, but from what I heard Prince should not be held responsible whatsoever for her suicide

 

[T Town Tommy]

NFL teams may have the right to question him about the incident, but a hack reporter wanting to write a negative article doesn't. Shembo should have simply said "next question." JMO

 

[dublinirish]

I don't post here much but I personally knew Shembo and the kid who sent the infamous "don't mess with ND" text message. First off that kid was a piece of shit and I firmly believe he acted independently. Secondly what Prince did was completely innocent by college standards and he even stopped when she told him to. Now Prince is definitely not the smartest guy so who knows if he said something inappropriate but he didn't seem like the kind of kid that would do something malicious on purpose. I did not know Lizzy and the whole situation is really unfortunate, but from what I heard Prince should not be held responsible whatsoever for her suicide

was the texter a ND football player?

 

[ND-North]

was the texter a ND football player?

No

 

[GowerND11]

Was Lewan asked at all at the Combine about his role in the Gibbons case? That, to me, would be a red flag that needs to be asked.

 

[goldandblue]

Huh... I never knew it was Prince Shembo that was involved in that situation. I hope that he is innocent.

 

[dublinirish]

Huh... I never knew it was Prince Shembo that was involved in that situation. I hope that he is innocent.

i had always presumed it was a player who transferred out tbh.

was this all widely known on campus etc? i had never known or even asked who it was.

 

[Huntr]

Was Lewan asked at all at the Combine about his role in the Gibbons case? That, to me, would be a red flag that needs to be asked.

Yes, he talked about it in his press conference. You can bet every NFL team he met with asked, as well.

i had always presumed it was a player who transferred out tbh.

was this all widely known on campus etc? i had never known or even asked who it was.

I'm sure it was, since it was on the internet w/in a month. I read it on the Spartans 247 board in like Dec 2010.

 

[dublinirish]

Lewan still comes across as a scumbag, Schofield as well
They still stand up for Gibbons

Taylor Lewan attempts to clear his name at 2014 NFL combine | Audibles - SI.com

 

[ulukinatme]

i had always presumed it was a player who transferred out tbh.

was this all widely known on campus etc? i had never known or even asked who it was.

It wasn't out there in any articles circulating online, at least not directly. However, Shembo's name would come up in the comments occasionally, and there were people on campus leaking it as well. Eventually it just kind of became somewhat well known, but never spoken of.

 

[connor_in]

Here's a link to the actual police report for anybody who wishes to read it or send it to that douche.

http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2010-12/272335660-16095122.pdf

What happened was unfortunate. But nothing criminal occurred and Res Life could have conducted an investigation and disciplined him as well. This isn't the same as fat-fucking-low-life-piece-of-shit-rapist Brendan Gibbons and fat-fucking-low-life-piece-of-shit-rapist-accomplice Taylor Lewan incident in which Michigan covered it up and swept it under the rug. NDSPD probably should have dealt with it sooner because sexual assault is serious. But what does this a-hole think Shembo should have done differently? Expose the University and the team by opening up his mouth? He's just another douche journalist with an ax to grind and binoculars that don't reach Ann Arbor.

I am sorry to ask this, but the report you cite just lists the touching of her breasts. I know various articles have referred to rape and/or sexual assult. Do we know exactly what Lizzy Seeburg claims to have happened? Or have her statements to the police not come out?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

The police report made it clear that it was being investigated as a minor sexual battery. Fondling a breast, consistent with sexual arousal.

Second of all, the other kid : do I remember that he got disciplined for his involvement? Did he end up leaving the University?

Third this reporter called Shembo "the accused." When a reporter does that, it is always all over.

Fourth, in his article the reporter intimated that he advised Brian Kelly to suspend this kid for his first couple of games. Prince played sparingly his first season, but that campaign was just about over before any investigation had been closed. So how could this guy have recommended Kelly do anything to Prince for his first couple games? On the timeline, if this guys intimations were correct, they were still looking at Shembo for "something more," which could only be "rape." Correct? Someone needs to ask this brain-damaged, zero IQ hack, why he then would only recommend that Kelly only take "a rapists helmet away for a couple of games?" The problem is that most of the population isn't smart enough to see the truth, or enjoys the sensationalism.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I am sorry to ask this, but the report you cite just lists the touching of her breasts. I know various articles have referred to rape and/or sexual assult. Do we know exactly what Lizzy Seeburg claims to have happened? Or have her statements to the police not come out?

THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT! FROM WHAT SHE SAID, IT WAS EVER ONLY BEING INVESTIGATED AS THE MOST MINOR OF THE CHARGABLE OFFENSES. MINOR SEXUAL BATTERY, NOT RAPE! IT SAYS IN THE COMPLAINT THAT RAPE WAS NEVER ALLGED!!!

The screaming wasn't for you. It was for those that didn't even research this and put out the tons of filth that have been spewed.

I want to know, with all the rapes that clearly happen, with good kits, that never get charged, why is this continually being described as rape?

I know an attorney who has a close connection with a prosecuting attorney somewhere close to the situation. This whole situation was sideways from the get go. Although I had not heard that her family initiated contact with ND demanding a settlement.

 

[ulukinatme]

THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT! FROM WHAT SHE SAID, IT WAS EVER ONLY BEING INVESTIGATED AS THE MOST MINOR OF THE CHARGABLE OFFENSES. MINOR SEXUAL BATTERY, NOT RAPE! IT SAYS IN THE COMPLAINT THAT RAPE WAS NEVER ALLGED!!!

The screaming wasn't for you. It was for those that didn't even research this and put out the tons of filth that have been spewed.

I want to know, with all the rapes that clearly happen, with good kits, that never get charged, why is this continually being described as rape?

I know an attorney who has a close connection with a prosecuting attorney somewhere close to the situation. This whole situation was sideways from the get go. Although I had not heard that her family initiated contact with ND demanding a settlement.

This. I think because it's Notre Dame, and the fact there was so much media attention brought to the case from the start, people just assumed it was rape. I tried fighting that notion on a number of other forums over the last few years, but it's almost impossible to set the record straight. As far as others are concerned, facts are meaningless, it was rape and not alleged sexual assault, guilty as not charged. Occasionally someone would acknowledge that maybe it wasn't rape, but then they would start debating why sexual assault is just as bad as rape. That's about the time I say "This is pointless, I'm done here." Sure, a sin is a sin, but morally one action is certainly more devastating than the other. Also, we're still talking about alleged sexual assault here. Those that know Shembo say "That's not him," and unfortunately we know even less about Ms. Seeberg other than she had willingly gone into Shembo's room and had previous problems with anxiety/depression based on her medication. She at least deserved a trial, but with her untimely passing it was unlikely it was going to happen.

 

[gkIrish]

I am sorry to ask this, but the report you cite just lists the touching of her breasts. I know various articles have referred to rape and/or sexual assult. Do we know exactly what Lizzy Seeburg claims to have happened? Or have her statements to the police not come out?

Don't have much to add to what Bogs and ulukinatme said but this is why Shembo's name never deserved to be publicized in the first place. Because people would eventually turn this into a rape story rather than what it actually was.

 

[dublinirish]

Don't have much to add to what Bogs and ulukinatme said but this is why Shembo's name never deserved to be publicized in the first place. Because people would eventually turn this into a rape story rather than what it actually was.

Wouldnt Shembo and his representation have been better to confront the story head-on and control the information when the rumours were initially flying around? 3 years or whatever is a terrible long time for a player to have to carry this around

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Shembo, (and others) have stated that the University, and particularly Brian Kelly, asked him to remain silent.

 

[Huntr]

Really, what's he gonna say 3 years ago? Pretty much what he said at the combine and what did that get him? That trib garbage posted above, only it would have been X 9000 since the incident was fresh and more ppl would have had the knives out.

 

[wizards8507]

Huh... I never knew it was Prince Shembo that was involved in that situation. I hope that he is innocent.

That's the thing. There's nothing to be innocent of. Even if he is 100% guilty of everything laid against him, the "guiltiest" he would be is that he was making out with a girl in his dorm room and got a little grabby. Honestly, if that's a crime, you better lock up 50+% of the population aged 15-35, male and female.

People want to lay Lizzy Seeberg's suicide on this guy based on what happened. It's natural to seek someone to blame when a tragedy occurs, but you just can't do that if there's no proximate cause.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Remember, this all fits with the Seeburg family initially contacted ND threatening a law suit, which is what seeking a settlement translates to, correct?

 

[Rack Em]

A bunch of my St. Mary's friends are super pissed and taking to social media with this article. If I say anything and challenge the vitriol that was fostered on that campus over this incident, I'm an ass. If I say nothing, this hack gets more hits and more fuel for his fire.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Lax and Wizard hit it on the head though so I won't post a rehash of their statements. NDSP could have been faster on the uptake, but in the end there was nothing they could do. An investigation was conducted by the county police that turned up nothing. It's the unfortunate consequence when the primary witness is unavailable.

 

[zelezo vlk]

A bunch of my St. Mary's friends are super pissed and taking to social media with this article. If I say anything and challenge the vitriol that was fostered on that campus over this incident, I'm an ass. If I say nothing, this hack gets more hits and more fuel for his fire.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Lax and Wizard hit it on the head though so I won't post a rehash of their statements. NDSP could have been faster on the uptake, but in the end there was nothing they could do. An investigation was conducted by the county police that turned up nothing. It's the unfortunate consequence when the primary witness is unavailable.

This is unfortunately the case with plenty of stories out there. Everybody would rather be outraged. I can't tell you how many of my friends were all over FB pre-NCG with the story and I just did not have the courage to explain everything. Oh well.

Back to Shembo, has his combine performance done anything to his stock?

 

[dublinirish]

A bunch of my St. Mary's friends are super pissed and taking to social media with this article. If I say anything and challenge the vitriol that was fostered on that campus over this incident, I'm an ass. If I say nothing, this hack gets more hits and more fuel for his fire.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. .

Im guessing Shembo wasnt the most popular guy on campus then? Seems like that would be a miserable situation to be in, very surprized a kid would want to stick around at ND with something like that over you.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Im guessing Shembo wasnt the most popular guy on campus then? Seems like that would be a miserable situation to be in, very surprized a kid would want to stick around at ND with something like that over you.

Rack is talking about his girlfriend, and some other friends. At St Mary's. Not ND. (LOL)

But in all seriousness, if Prince were low character, I do think he would have been gone.

 

[wizards8507]

A bunch of my St. Mary's friends are super pissed and taking to social media with this article. If I say anything and challenge the vitriol that was fostered on that campus over this incident, I'm an ass. If I say nothing, this hack gets more hits and more fuel for his fire.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Lax and Wizard hit it on the head though so I won't post a rehash of their statements. NDSP could have been faster on the uptake, but in the end there was nothing they could do. An investigation was conducted by the county police that turned up nothing. It's the unfortunate consequence when the primary witness is unavailable.

I just wanted to draw attention to the bolded. I was a student when this all went down and had a handful of classes at SMC (three philosophy and one accounting) and I can absolutely attest to the fact that the outrage was encouraged by faculty, staff, and administrators. There's a hyper-feminist faction at SMC that views every man as a sexual predator and every woman as the Blessed Virgin reincarnate. They hate Notre Dame like you wouldn't believe because they see male ND students as the great Temptor and female ND students as gender traitors.

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[Rack Em]

I just wanted to draw attention to the bolded. I was a student when this all went down and had a handful of classes at SMC (three philosophy and one accounting) and I can absolutely attest to the fact that the outrage was encouraged by faculty, staff, and administrators. There's a hyper-feminist faction at SMC that views every man as a sexual predator and every woman as the Blessed Virgin reincarnate. They hate Notre Dame like you wouldn't believe because they see male ND students as the great Temptor and female ND students as gender traitors.

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Dude, I can't rep you again. Someone get this man some reps! We were at ND at the same time and I'm glad I'm not the only one who notice that.

I love SMC. It's a really fantastic place, but there is a faction over there that definitely perpetuated this. It then spilled over to much of the rest of the student body in the form of "SMC Pride" or campus spirit. I think the pride those girls take in their school is amazing. But, like many schools, those sentiments get in the way of objectivity sometimes.

Bogs, you're right haha! And Dublin, I don't think it affected Prince's reputation around campus too much. The hyper feminist haters were going to hate despite the facts. Others were concerned with NDSP's response but the majority moved on once the facts were released. Wizards would you agree?

 

[PLACforever]

"This might feel like it's over to Shembo. To the Seeberg family, which publicly declined comment, the emptiness lingers. Both the local prosecutor and a university disciplinary panel eventually cleared Shembo, but that didn't make it easier for Seebergs to see No. 55 in a gold helmet every autumn Saturday."

Umm, if they declined comment, how do you know how they feel about it?
AND, way to start sentences with conjunctions you hack (see what I did there?)

 

[ulukinatme]

Dude, I can't rep you again. Someone get this man some reps! We were at ND at the same time and I'm glad I'm not the only one who notice that.

Reps have been given

 

[wizards8507]

Dude, I can't rep you again. Someone get this man some reps! We were at ND at the same time and I'm glad I'm not the only one who notice that.

I love SMC. It's a really fantastic place, but there is a faction over there that definitely perpetuated this. It then spilled over to much of the rest of the student body in the form of "SMC Pride" or campus spirit. I think the pride those girls take in their school is amazing. But, like many schools, those sentiments get in the way of objectivity sometimes.

The hyper feminist haters were going to hate despite the facts. Others were concerned with NDSP's response but the majority moved on once the facts were released. Wizards would you agree?

I agree completely. My wife is a Saint Mary's graduate and three years after graduation I probably have more continued friendships with SMC students than ND students. Even most of my SMC friends acknowledge that the culture over there can be somewhat hostile towards Notre Dame and men in general. I think it's due to a combination of different types of people that together leads to something unhealthy.

1. Many of the students are from Catholic, all-female high schools. They have had limited exposure to males in academic or social settings, which creates a natural discomford. With the high Catholic population, Notre Dame also has many freshmen enrolling from single-sex high schools, but they're given a bit of a baptism by fire during Frosh-O and have to get over their discomfort real quick once classes start.

2. Many students went to SMC specifically because it's an all-women's college rather than deciding "this is the school I like best, and it just happens to be an all-women's college." Again, this comes with certain innate biases. There's a reason why they sought out an all-female education.

3. Some of the women are from "Notre Dame families" and feel tremendous pressure to be a part of that community. This creates resentment from the girls who went to Saint Mary's for its own sake, because every SMC student will tell you that Notre Dame had nothing to do with their decision to enroll, even though, for many of them, it did.

This is getting a bit further off topic, but I believe that the worst thing that ever happened to Saint Mary's was when Notre Dame admitted women. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, but I think if Notre Dame were still an all-male school, Saint Mary's would have developed at a similar pace and both would be recognized as elite institutions on par with where Notre Dame is now. Saint Mary's still has some excellent students, but they've been forced to lower their admissions standards just to fill the freshman class every year. The applicant pool just isn't large enough. It's causing some legitimate financial concerns for the school.