Upshot for the Rest of the Class (2014 Edition)

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Wiltfong was asked about the chances of ND striking out on Wednesday. He didn't give odds or dispel the fear that it could happen, but he did say that the staff is really optimistic right now.

 

[Luckylucci]

Ryan Sousa was the "mystery recruit" that ND has been in contact with. Loy expects him to sign on Wednesday with Florida.

 

[Cackalacky]

Stopped in for a recruiting update and came away hating Ohio in general and Toledo specifically. wtf?

Haha. Me too.

 

[Emcee77]

Ryan Sousa was the "mystery recruit" that ND has been in contact with. Loy expects him to sign on Wednesday with Florida.

Sounds like he still has high ND interest though. The staff just still feels like it has a fighting chance with each of Juju, Quick, Garnett, Cage, and Alexander, and it doesn't want to give anyone's spot away yet. For example, if Quick calls ND tonight and tells the staff definitively that he is going to OU, the staff will try to flip Sousa's commitment ... but Loy doesn't expect Sousa to flip without visiting, which at this point he obviously won't be able to do before NSD.

 

[Irish#1]

Sounds like he still has high ND interest though. The staff just still feels like it has a fighting chance with each of Juju, Quick, Garnett, Cage, and Alexander, and it doesn't want to give anyone's spot away yet. For example, if Quick calls ND tonight and tells the staff definitively that he is going to OU, the staff will try to flip Sousa's commitment ... but Loy doesn't expect Sousa to flip without visiting, which at this point he obviously won't be able to do before NSD.

I wish more of these kids would realize that you don't have to sign on NSD. As a matter of fact, if you want some limelight, then delay it so you don't get lumped in with all the other attention seekers.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I wish more of these kids would realize that you don't have to sign on NSD. As a matter of fact, if you want some limelight, then delay it so you don't get lumped in with all the other attention seekers.

That's an option for 5 and high 4 recruits. But for a 3 ATH like Sousa, the process is more akin musical chairs, and the music stops on NSD for such kids. If he withheld his LOI from Florida so that he could visit ND, he might find himself without a landing spot.

 

[Emcee77]

I'm not gonna bump his thread because people seem to freak out when you bump a recruit's thread unless they already know why it's being bumped, but BGI did an article about some of our LB prospects and, in addition to a lot of stuff we already know about Nyles Morgan and Tranquill, they had Martini's head coach talking about how good Martini is in coverage and how it doesn't show up on film because opposing defenses just avoid him. Added that Randolph was similarly an athlete who was surprisingly good in coverage. It'll be exciting to see what those two can do.

 

[OCIrish]

I'm not gonna bump his thread because people seem to freak out when you bump a recruit's thread unless they already know why it's being bumped, but BGI did an article about some of our LB prospects and, in addition to a lot of stuff we already know about Nyles Morgan and Tranquill, they had Martini's head coach talking about how good Martini is in coverage and how it doesn't show up on film because opposing defenses just avoid him. Added that Randolph was similarly an athlete who was surprisingly good in coverage. It'll be exciting to see what those two can do.

If they can shed blocks and play in space, I'll be as happy as a pig in shit.....

 

[beryirish]

Wiltfong was asked about the chances of ND striking out on Wednesday. He didn't give odds or dispel the fear that it could happen, but he did say that the staff is really optimistic right now.

I'm always optimistic when I buy lottery tickets and then...

 

[IrishLax]

Gave it a final update heading into NSD. Put what I would consider odds on each remaining guy. The odds are very subjective and I'm sure many will disagree. I will change the odds throughout tomorrow as more and more info leaks out.

If you run the numbers, there's only a ~14% chance of us missing on everyone... so that's at least encouraging. Running second or even in just about every race and just need to win one.

 

[Irish#1]

Gave it a final update heading into NSD. Put what I would consider odds on each remaining guy. The odds are very subjective and I'm sure many will disagree. I will change the odds throughout tomorrow as more and more info leaks out.

If you run the numbers, there's only a ~14% chance of us missing on everyone... so that's at least encouraging. Running second or even in just about every race and just need to win one.

Okay, I've been away from math course for a long time, but doesn't the "~" mean negate?

If our percentages are only 14% to miss on everyone, then I'll take those odds all day long.

 

[BGIF]

Okay, I've been away from math course for a long time, but doesn't the "~" mean negate?

If our percentages are only 14% to miss on everyone, then I'll take those odds all day long.

I think he meant to use a double wavy line math symbol meaning approximately rather than the single line ~ which means similar (geometry triangle ABC ~ triangle DEF)

Approximation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Symbols used to denote items that are approximately equal are wavy or dotted equals signs.[4]
≈ (U+2248)

 

[IrishLax]

Okay, I've been away from math course for a long time, but doesn't the "~" mean negate?

If our percentages are only 14% to miss on everyone, then I'll take those odds all day long.

Yeah, like BGIF said on the interwebz ~ is often used in place of ≈. I have no idea how BGIF even typed ≈... but now that he did I shall copy and past it from this thread to everywhere I need it.

 

[Emcee77]

latest from BGI --

Cage: likely Irish

Garnett: what we already know -- Garnett loved the visit but getting Mom on board is a problem. She has been to OU and knows Stoops and the OU staff, and she isn't similarly comfortable with ND.

Juju: ND staff still feels its in the mix. Denbrock spoke with Mama Smith last night and she said ND has the best mix of football, education, religion.

Quick: genuinely torn. Denbrock was told last night that no decision has been made and he has been going back and forth with his family.

Alexander: some say ND/Ole Miss battle and others say ND/Stanford battle. The fact that ND is always mentioned is probably a great sign.

 

[Luckylucci]

latest from BGI --

Cage: likely Irish

Garnett: what we already know -- Garnett loved the visit but getting Mom on board is a problem. She has been to OU and knows Stoops and the OU staff, and she isn't similarly comfortable with ND.

Juju: ND staff still feels its in the mix. Denbrock spoke with Mama Smith last night and she said ND has the best mix of football, education, religion.

Quick: genuinely torn. Denbrock was told last night that no decision has been made and he has been going back and forth with his family.

Alexander: some say ND/Ole Miss battle and others say ND/Stanford battle. The fact that ND is always mentioned is probably a great sign.

I'm starting to feel very confident about the bolded. With a coin flip for Quick and Garnett. We get at least one. JuJu stays west.

 

[NDWorld247]

latest from BGI --

Cage: likely Irish

Garnett: what we already know -- Garnett loved the visit but getting Mom on board is a problem. She has been to OU and knows Stoops and the OU staff, and she isn't similarly comfortable with ND.

Juju: ND staff still feels its in the mix. Denbrock spoke with Mama Smith last night and she said ND has the best mix of football, education, religion.

Quick: genuinely torn. Denbrock was told last night that no decision has been made and he has been going back and forth with his family.

Alexander: some say ND/Ole Miss battle and others say ND/Stanford battle. The fact that ND is always mentioned is probably a great sign.

The last week or so has been a roller coaster. I went from thinking we weren't going to land any of the five players mentioned above to now feeling like we could pull in 3 or 4. I thought the ship sailed on JuJu long ago, but could we really land Cage, Garnett, Alexander and Quick tomorrow? That would be an epic finish!

 

[autry_denson]

latest from BGI --

Cage: likely Irish

Garnett: what we already know -- Garnett loved the visit but getting Mom on board is a problem. She has been to OU and knows Stoops and the OU staff, and she isn't similarly comfortable with ND.

Juju: ND staff still feels its in the mix. Denbrock spoke with Mama Smith last night and she said ND has the best mix of football, education, religion.

Quick: genuinely torn. Denbrock was told last night that no decision has been made and he has been going back and forth with his family.

Alexander: some say ND/Ole Miss battle and others say ND/Stanford battle. The fact that ND is always mentioned is probably a great sign.

All good news. In my mind these guys should be seen as a bonus. The real victory will come if all of the current verbals sign their letters and are on the roster next fall. There are usually some surprises on NSD and in the months thereafter. We've spent our time considering the possibility of pleasant surprises, and have ignored the high probability of unpleasant surprises. Given recent history, this seems unrealistic. I'll be happy if the guys on board stay on board.

 

[RDU Irish]

I don't get the rush for most of these guys. Why not drag it out a few more days if you are really sweating the decision? This is the first day they can sign, not the last.

 

[PANDFAN]

I don't get the rush for most of these guys. Why not drag it out a few more days if you are really sweating the decision? This is the first day they can sign, not the last.

because then there isn't media attention...well unless you state your going to commit at a certain elementary school then not show up...and then hours later commit but come up w/ a phony story

 

[CanadalovesND]

I don't get the rush for most of these guys. Why not drag it out a few more days if you are really sweating the decision? This is the first day they can sign, not the last.

Generally, NSD is when signing classes fill up. Some players that wait until after NSD, may not have a spot waiting for them. So, some players have to rush their decision in order to save a spot a school they are 'pretty sure' they want to go to.

 

[Luckylucci]

Yea, most of these kids have ceremonies at their HS's that they're involved with. They're not going to get that on any other day.

 

[Irishman77]

Cage, Alexander , quick and suprise suprise we get juju....

Jmho

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

because then there isn't media attention...well unless you state your going to commit at a certain elementary school then not show up...and then hours later commit but come up w/ a phony story

Maybe this is the wrong thread but... what, exactly, is the story behind what happened that day?

 

[Irishman77]

Maybe this is the wrong thread but... what, exactly, is the story behind what happened that day?

Neal...was absurd ...in April nonetheless

 

[RDU Irish]

Generally, NSD is when signing classes fill up. Some players that wait until after NSD, may not have a spot waiting for them. So, some players have to rush their decision in order to save a spot a school they are 'pretty sure' they want to go to.

I don't see it, wouldn't you need to send your LOI in as quick as possible to avoid being pinched then? If a kid announces on NSD, the schools on the table will save a spot for a few more days if they need to. More often than not, that is a future walk-on schollie for whichever hats are left on the table. It's not like anyone is turning off the fax machine.

 

[PANDFAN]

Maybe this is the wrong thread but... what, exactly, is the story behind what happened that day?

citing family indecision---although there are a variety of reasons that have been tossed out there..so this is what was written

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I don't see it, wouldn't you need to send your LOI in as quick as possible to avoid being pinched then? If a kid announces on NSD, the schools on the table will save a spot for a few more days if they need to. More often than not, that is a future walk-on schollie for whichever hats are left on the table. It's not like anyone is turning off the fax machine.

It depends on how badly they want the kid. 5 and 4 recruits can safely do this, because their talents are rare and most programs will hold a spot as long as they feel like there's a shot. But most 3 recruits don't have that kind of leverage.

I think you're projecting ND's unique inability to max out its roster onto other programs, which simply don't have this problem because they oversign.

 

[Irish#1]

Quick, Cage, Garnett, Alexander & Juju.

 

[RDU Irish]

It depends on how badly they want the kid. 5 and 4 recruits can safely do this, because their talents are rare and most programs will hold a spot as long as they feel like there's a shot. But most 3 recruits don't have that kind of leverage.

I think you're projecting ND's unique inability to max out its roster onto other programs, which simply don't have this problem because they oversign.

What difference does it make if you oversign on Wednesday or Thursday? If anything it would show which schools like you most and which are yanking your chain. If you haven't decided yet, you must have enough leverage to put off the decision further, unless you can point to someone being turned away on signing day somewhere b/c their LOI wasn't quick enough.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

What difference does it make if you oversign on Wednesday or Thursday? If anything it would show which schools like you most and which are yanking your chain. If you haven't decided yet, you must have enough leverage to put off the decision further, unless you can point to someone being turned away on signing day somewhere b/c their LOI wasn't quick enough.

I'm speculating here, but let's take Ryan Sousa as an example-- 3 ATH committed to UF. Allegedly wanted an ND offer badly, and would have flipped if we offered with enough time for him to visit, but it came too late.

If Sousa withholds his LOI tomorrow, Muschamp could simply pick up a JuCo instead. Hell, he could probably get in his car, drive to Miami-Dade county, and find an uncommitted 3 practicing on the first high school field he comes across. So there's serious risk involved that Sousa might not be able to ratify his decision to attend UF if he doesn't sign on NSD.

And for all the competitive benefits that oversigning offers, it still entails having to kick someone off the team. Might not be worth it for a 3 who's not "all in".