ND Oversold on Kelly?

[phillyirish]

I'm not crying lady.... I said I was sorry.... go cry and beat up on another Irish fan..

GO IRISH!!!!!!!
Diz

Can we initiate a forum policy, that if someone ends a post with their username or a derivative of it, then that person is automatically considered a douchebag?

 

[IrishinSyria]

From a shear number aspect isn't UCLA the hardest school to get into...?? I know it's way up there

I believe the military academies have the lowest acceptance rates by a good margin.. something about that free education + guaranteed job.

As others have said, acceptance rate says very little about the quality of the student body.

 

[gkIrish]

Can we initiate a forum policy, that if someone ends a post with their username or a derivative of it, then that person is automatically considered a douchebag?

Go check out the Post Game Observations thread. Already tried reasoning with him.

 

[DillonHall]

I'm not crying lady.... I said I was sorry.... go cry and beat up on another Irish fan..

GO IRISH!!!!!!!
Diz

How old are you? I'm going to guess <16

 

[BGIF]

This thread got kind of funny. First the pi$$ed off crown, needing no other introduction, followed by the "sky is falling, gloom and doom" crowd, followed by the elitist squad. Congratulations, elitists! You get to be the phagocytes of this thread!

What ever happened to the original topic? I guess now that Rome has fallen, assassinating Cesar isn't a top priority, is it?

Hey! Who you calling a phag?

Damn macrophages think they're big stuff!

 

[Dizzyphil]

Can we initiate a forum policy, that if someone ends a post with their username or a derivative of it, then that person is automatically considered a douchebag?

Nah, then that would take all the fun out of fans of the same team calling others a douchebag...

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!
Diz

 

[anarin]

Can we initiate a forum policy, that if someone ends a post with their username or a derivative of it, then that person is automatically considered a douchebag?

Stupid policy

Captain Anarin

 

[BGIF]

Stupid policy

Captain Anarin

Can we call you, Cap?

 

[gkIrish]

Nah, then that would take all the fun out of fans of the same team calling others a douchebag...

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!
Diz

Being fans of the same team doesn't mean you get a free pass to annoy everyone.

gkIrish--El Greco

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!
Diz

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Guys he doesn't type it everytime, it's a signature

 

[Irish#1]

Agreed.....

I bet there are few in this forum that know it is harder to get into USC than it is ND.....

Matter of fact, Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt and USC are all harder to get into than ND.

So really, tired of hearing it is the academic standards keeping the University from competing on the football field.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!
Diz

Is that true? My daughter was accepted by USC and Vandy, but not at ND. Even if this is true, I am willing to bet that USC lowers their admissions standards substantially for their football recruits.

 

[gkIrish]

Guys he doesn't type it everytime, it's a signature

I have signatures blocked and I see it. If it's a signature, it's the only one I see.

 

[IrishLion]

Are we really b*tching about what people put at the end of their posts lol?

 

[NDinFL]

And you wonder why I'm done with this site....

 

[ulukinatme]

And you wonder why I'm done with this site....

 

[ulukinatme]

Guys he doesn't type it everytime, it's a signature

Na, can't be a signature, otherwise it would appear below the sig line. Plus, people can see it even with sigs blocked. I don't really care personally though.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

It is auto-populated in everyone of his posts. I don't know nor do I care how he set it up, but he doesn't type it everytime.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

it cracks me up. reminds me of my father's text messages. he always "signs" his name at the end.

 

[irishpat183]

Is that true? My daughter was accepted by USC and Vandy, but not at ND. Even if this is true, I am willing to bet that USC lowers their admissions standards substantially for their football recruits.

It's not true...at all.

He must mean it's tougher to physically get in. You have to drive through Compton.

 

[ThePiombino]

And you wonder why I'm done with this site....

Does anyone else appreciate the irony of this post? No? Just me?

 

[CarrollVermin]

Anyone take the time to read Hansen's article this weekend? Brings up great points, and many of the issues that are apparent in Year Four of the program.

The fact that we have an "average" football team in year four for a head coach that is regarded as a "program builder" is perplexing. So many of the issues that we had before are still there:

- Lack of depth on the defensive line.
- Secondary coverage that is atrocious (see Jackson).
- Secondary that cannot tackle (see Jackson and Farley).
- An inconsistent running game (and I can't buy the 8 guys in a box thing...Auburn faced that against A&M and Tenn. and rushed for over 300 yards).
- A program that still cannot consistently beat the bottom feeds that Weis was run out of town for.

The board is rampant for excuses for Kelly. Yes, Tuitt was ejected, yes, we have injuries, yes we had defections, yes it was a "night" game, yes, Rees is our QB...but there has to be some level of accountability.

Kelly said he was going to build a team with consistent mental and physical toughness...but how different are we from the 6-6 Weis years when you go 7-5 and 8-4? We could realistically finish 7-5 (although we should finish 8-4...and should have finished 9-3). So when do you start to hold Kelly accountable?

Notre Dame football analysis: Amid the white noise, sustained success is the real issue - South Bend Tribune: Football

 

[GowerND11]

Anyone take the time to read Hansen's article this weekend? Brings up great points, and many of the issues that are apparent in Year Four of the program.

The fact that we have an "average" football team in year four for a head coach that is regarded as a "program builder" is perplexing. So many of the issues that we had before are still there:

- Lack of depth on the defensive line.
- Secondary coverage that is atrocious (see Jackson).
- Secondary that cannot tackle (see Jackson and Farley).
- An inconsistent running game (and I can't buy the 8 guys in a box thing...Auburn faced that against A&M and Tenn. and rushed for over 300 yards).
- A program that still cannot consistently beat the bottom feeds that Weis was run out of town for.

The board is rampant for excuses for Kelly. Yes, Tuitt was ejected, yes, we have injuries, yes we had defections, yes it was a "night" game, yes, Rees is our QB...but there has to be some level of accountability.

Kelly said he was going to build a team with consistent mental and physical toughness...but how different are we from the 6-6 Weis years when you go 7-5 and 8-4? We could realistically finish 7-5 (although we should finish 8-4...and should have finished 9-3). So when do you start to hold Kelly accountable?

Notre Dame football analysis: Amid the white noise, sustained success is the real issue - South Bend Tribune: Football

Please you have got to be kidding me. You have to remember this is our what, 2nd loss in November in four years. The teams that played for Weis utterly collapsed in the 2nd half of the year. He couldn't beat USC, lost to Syracuse on Senior night, had Travis Thomas starting at LB, couldn't develop offensive line talent (See Sam Young), and on and on. This program is better off with Kelly. This loss sucks, all three losses suck because they could have easily been wins had it not been for stupid mistakes. But if you cannot see a difference in the team on the field now compared to 6 years ago, let alone the recruiting, you need to get your eyes checked.

 

[kmoose]

but how different are we from the 6-6 Weis years when you go 7-5 and 8-4?

Weis' teams would have gotten blown out by ASU and USC. Kelly's team won both of those games.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Please you have got to be kidding me. You have to remember this is our what, 2nd loss in November in four years. The teams that played for Weis utterly collapsed in the 2nd half of the year. He couldn't beat USC, lost to Syracuse on Senior night, had Travis Thomas starting at LB, couldn't develop offensive line talent (See Sam Young), and on and on. This program is better off with Kelly. This loss sucks, all three losses suck because they could have easily been wins had it not been for stupid mistakes. But if you cannot see a difference in the team on the field now compared to 6 years ago, let alone the recruiting, you need to get your eyes checked.

Difference in recruiting is evident...retention isn't as great. I will grant you that.

Yes, his record has been better in November...I think that Hamilton had a stat that showed how bad those November teams that we have beaten were. I understand that Weis had the same level of bottom-feeders at the end of the schedule as well. But, are we headed back to those monumental collapses? Its a fair question for discussion.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Please you have got to be kidding me. You have to remember this is our what, 2nd loss in November in four years. The teams that played for Weis utterly collapsed in the 2nd half of the year. He couldn't beat USC, lost to Syracuse on Senior night, had Travis Thomas starting at LB, couldn't develop offensive line talent (See Sam Young), and on and on. This program is better off with Kelly. This loss sucks, all three losses suck because they could have easily been wins had it not been for stupid mistakes. But if you cannot see a difference in the team on the field now compared to 6 years ago, let alone the recruiting, you need to get your eyes checked.

And again, trying to be objective and not look through things with green-colored glasses.

 

[GowerND11]

Oh in no way am I trying to look through this with green-colored glasses. I just feel that most of this fan base has a sky is falling attitude towards everything. Look, this year's team isn't pretty by any means, but when you lose the players like we did (graduation, injuries, a certain suspension) we have to understand that we will be limited in terms of victories. Now, that isn't to say we should expect to lose to Pitt. That is a game ND should win, but let's not act like Pitt is always just some throw away team. They play ND tough all the time, historically, not just the last few years.

The problems in my opinion need to be addressed fast, but I'm reserving judgement towards this staff until next year. That schedule could very well be daunting when it is all said and done, so a 9-3 record might be the best we can do, but if we see improvements in terms of players reaching potential, and limiting mistakes while just getting beat, then it can be attributed to the schedule and talent of the other teams. If we can have another solid recruiting class, followed with a successful spring/fall camp (no major injuries), and drama free, I see no reason why this coaching staff can't lead a competent and victorious squad next year.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Oh in no way am I trying to look through this with green-colored glasses. I just feel that most of this fan base has a sky is falling attitude towards everything. Look, this year's team isn't pretty by any means, but when you lose the players like we did (graduation, injuries, a certain suspension) we have to understand that we will be limited in terms of victories. Now, that isn't to say we should expect to lose to Pitt. That is a game ND should win, but let's not act like Pitt is always just some throw away team. They play ND tough all the time, historically, not just the last few years.

The problems in my opinion need to be addressed fast, but I'm reserving judgement towards this staff until next year. That schedule could very well be daunting when it is all said and done, so a 9-3 record might be the best we can do, but if we see improvements in terms of players reaching potential, and limiting mistakes while just getting beat, then it can be attributed to the schedule and talent of the other teams. If we can have another solid recruiting class, followed with a successful spring/fall camp (no major injuries), and drama free, I see no reason why this coaching staff can't lead a competent and victorious squad next year.

I agree with you, and next year presents all sorts of new challenges, given graduation, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I have a feeling next year may be more daunting than this year, given attrition.

That is the trend that I want addressed, I guess. We have all of these "great" recruiting classes, but that is not necessarily showing up on the field. We had loads more talent than Pitt, yet we lost. How does that happen and why, in year 4, does that continue to happen?

 

[palinurus]

Anyone take the time to read Hansen's article this weekend? Brings up great points, and many of the issues that are apparent in Year Four of the program.

The fact that we have an "average" football team in year four for a head coach that is regarded as a "program builder" is perplexing. So many of the issues that we had before are still there:

- Lack of depth on the defensive line.
- Secondary coverage that is atrocious (see Jackson).
- Secondary that cannot tackle (see Jackson and Farley).
- An inconsistent running game (and I can't buy the 8 guys in a box thing...Auburn faced that against A&M and Tenn. and rushed for over 300 yards).
- A program that still cannot consistently beat the bottom feeds that Weis was run out of town for.

The board is rampant for excuses for Kelly. Yes, Tuitt was ejected, yes, we have injuries, yes we had defections, yes it was a "night" game, yes, Rees is our QB...but there has to be some level of accountability.

Kelly said he was going to build a team with consistent mental and physical toughness...but how different are we from the 6-6 Weis years when you go 7-5 and 8-4? We could realistically finish 7-5 (although we should finish 8-4...and should have finished 9-3). So when do you start to hold Kelly accountable?

Notre Dame football analysis: Amid the white noise, sustained success is the real issue - South Bend Tribune: Football

I think we're in better shape than the Weis years; Saturday notwithstanding, they seem to have more 4th quarter presence than those Weis teams have, and Kelly seems to be a better in-game coach than Weis (again, Saturday aside, and my frequent frustrations with the offensive game plan aside).

Hansen's is a fair article, with fair questions.

This Kelly quote stuck out to me:

“These are just fundamentals of the game of football that were not attended to in the manner that they needed to be.”

Passive sentences beg for a subject to which blame or credit can be assigned.

 

[wizards8507]

the facts you wanted. Although like Kmoose and I agree, they may not hold the student athlete to the same standards, but the proof of it harder to get into USC over ND is real.....

Top 100 - Lowest Acceptance Rates | Rankings | US News

GO IRISH!!!!!
Diz

You can't talk about "hardest to get into" based on admission percentage. That just means USC has more applicants than ND, not that those applicants are a higher quality. A better metric would be the average test scores of admitted students (which is roughly average between the two schools). If 10,000 bottom-feeder high school kids apply to USC, it severely increases the percentage of students rejected but really has no bearing on "how hard it is to get in" because those bottom-feeders are never in the pool of applicants who are seriously considered.