'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[#1rish]

Question: How is Golson paying for this? I doubt this is possible, but since he isn't an NCAA athlete, can someone pay for his training with Whitfield?

IIRC I think he's paying out of pocket for two months with Whitfield.


From an article last month:

NCAA rules prohibit Notre Dame from lending a financial hand.
“I understand there was some discussion about maybe going to a junior college this semester instead,” Whitfield said. “But by the time Everett contacted me, that decision had al-ready been made.
“Because he enrolled early at Notre Dame and because he’s been heavy in his summer credits, it seemed to make sense to quietly improve his mechanics and strength in a safe, controlled environment rather than rolling him out on the field at a junior college.
“The academic piece was a factor, too. When he graduates from Notre Dame, he said wants to be able to say all of his credits were earned at Notre Dame.”

Notre Dame football: Quarterback guru seeks to polish Golson’s skills - South Bend Tribune: Football

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

IIRC I think he's paying out of pocket for two months with Whitfield.

Correct.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Ok thanks. But could some booster realistically lend a financial hand? I'm just wondering if that would violate any NCAA rules.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Ok thanks. But could some booster realistically lend a financial hand? I'm just wondering if that would violate any NCAA rules.

Basic rule of thumb is that a booster paying for anything is a violation. Paying for something as expensive as training with Whitfield would be a major violation.

 

[#1rish]

Ok thanks. But could some booster realistically lend a financial hand? I'm just wondering if that would violate any NCAA rules.

Definitely not. Especially the situation he's in, I bet he wouldn't take any chances. I would say Everett is considered a "prospective" student-athlete, and according to the ND compliance, it's a big no-no.

http://ncaacompliance.nd.edu/documents/BoosterReminders.pdf

 

[ACamp1900]

So today, driving into work I’m listening to John Feinstein while Dan Patrick is at break… and Feinstein goes off on this tangent about how BS Notre Dame is for claiming academics when they don’t punish their players at all, like Golson… “Stop the act Notre Dame, you’re no better than anyone in the SEC”

Pissed me off something awful… so ND puts their entire season at risk over this, basically kicks him out of school and they don’t care about academics?? Shoot, they should have let him play ball this whole time if they’re getting thrown under the bus anyway.

 

[Emcee77]

Question: How is Golson paying for this? I doubt this is possible, but since he isn't an NCAA athlete, can someone pay for his training with Whitfield?

I read somewhere that the family is paying. And Kelly was quoted as saying something about how Golson is only staying till November because "that's when the money will run out" or something like that. I don't know anything about Golson's family situation but apparently they have a few bucks stashed away in their rainy day fund.

EDIT: here's what I was referring to:

Notre Dame football notebook: Rees will be back, but who's No. 2 for Irish? - South Bend Tribune: Football

Kelly said Tuesday that exiled junior quarterback Everett Golson will likely remain training with “quarterback engineer” George Whitfield Jr., in San Diego, Calif., until the middle of November, “when the money is likely to run out.”
Golson’s family is footing the bill for the Myrtle Beach, S.C., product’s work with the private quarterback coach as he hones his skills while serving a university-imposed suspension this semester for academic misconduct issues. Golson led the Irish to a 12-1 record and a berth in the BCS National Championship Game in 2012 as a first-time starter at QB.

The only thing that is kind of weird about it is I recall reading the transcript of the Air Force presser and I don't recall Kelly saying anything about the money running out, so I don't know where Hansen is getting that quote from.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

QB: Golson (Jr)
RB: Folston (SO) | Bryant (SO)
WR: Daniels (Jr) | Brown (JR)
WR: Fuller (SO) | Robinson (SO)
WR: Carlisle (Sr) |
TE: Niklas (SR) | Koyack (SR)
LT: Elmer (SO)
LG: ????????
C: Martin (Sr)
RG: Lombard (5th)
RT: Stanley (So)

Looks quiet tasteful from over here. Could actually resemble some of the Cincinnati years finally.

A) Hanratty or here is a flier, Mama. (Seriously, don't we actually have about five that could be ready, including the possibility of moving Lombard to the left side and filling in the right?)

B) All of our Tight ends and wide receivers have eligibility next year except Daniel Smith and TJ Jones. Correct? Fuller, Onwualu and Hunter, are going to be forces to be reckoned with, next year even more than this year, I will bet?

C) Can't you see how we could be much better at every position next year, or much better, except possibly left tackle and possibly nose guard?

I read somewhere that the family is paying. And Kelly was quoted as saying something about how Golson is only staying till November because "that's when the money will run out" or something like that. I don't know anything about Golson's family situation but apparently they have a few bucks stashed away in their rainy day fund.

My impression is that with everything Whitfield and Golson have said, from how good his arm is, to how bad his footwork was, that if Whitfield is smart, he will give Everett the best price ever, or a scholarship or whatever it needs to be. If you could get your hands on a brilliant talent with correctable flaws, what would be a better advertisement than the neon of fixing it, especially with the exposure ND gets you? Going from the title game '12 to a two loss '13, and back in '14, how could Whitfield ask for more, ever?

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Basic rule of thumb is that a booster paying for anything is a violation. Paying for something as expensive as training with Whitfield would be a major violation.

Right. And according to #1irish, he's a "prospective" athlete. Thanks.

 

[gkIrish]

Question: How is Golson paying for this? I doubt this is possible, but since he isn't an NCAA athlete, can someone pay for his training with Whitfield?

I think I remember ESPN talking about how these players afford this service and someone mentioned it's not crazy expensive. Like $10-25K depending on how long you are there. Considering the potential NFL payout a lot of these guys will get, it's probably not difficult for families to find some money whether it be from savings or loans from family/friends.

 

[irishpat183]

But if he takes money, then he loses his "amature" status (unless you play in the SEC, of course)

 

[Kanye West]

Or maybe whitfield is doing it for free, for the publicity. Nevermind,
Look at his alumini though, and tell me that other schools haven't benefitted.
Quarterback Current and Alumni | Whitfield Athletix

 

[#1rish]

Or maybe whitfield is doing it for free, for the publicity. Nevermind,
Look at his alumini though, and tell me that other schools haven't benefitted.
Quarterback Current and Alumni | Whitfield Athletix

Vince Young 2012 haha

Feel bad for the guy though, he seems real desperate to get a job.

 

[irishpat183]

Vince Young 2012 haha

Feel bad for the guy though, he seems real desperate to get a job.

I don't....the stories about him and the way he walked around campus at UT are ridiculous.

Not to mention, the bonehead decisions he made with his money.


Even more reason that kids should have to go to college prior to going pro in any sport...Hell, college athletes should have to take a money management course.

 

[irishfan]

So today, driving into work I’m listening to John Feinstein while Dan Patrick is at break… and Feinstein goes off on this tangent about how BS Notre Dame is for claiming academics when they don’t punish their players at all, like Golson… “Stop the act Notre Dame, you’re no better than anyone in the SEC”

Pissed me off something awful… so ND puts their entire season at risk over this, basically kicks him out of school and they don’t care about academics?? Shoot, they should have let him play ball this whole time if they’re getting thrown under the bus anyway.

He's always on his high horse about something or other.

 

[Emcee77]

I think I remember ESPN talking about how these players afford this service and someone mentioned it's not crazy expensive. Like $10-25K depending on how long you are there. Considering the potential NFL payout a lot of these guys will get, it's probably not difficult for families to find some money whether it be from savings or loans from family/friends.

Yeah, I agree, that's possible. Again, I know nothing about Everett's family situation, but maybe his family had some money saved for his college education,which they then didn't need because he earned a scholarship, so they figured they'd spend it on this. I knew people like that, people who were lucky enough to get scholarships to college and whose families used whatever money they had saved for college and didn't end up needing for that purpose to buy the kids cars or trips to Europe or whatever.

 

[Irish4Life09]

Am I the only one disappointed he won't admit to using the word "cheated"...he danced around it so much in the opening of that interview, and I kind of lost respect for that.
Let me make it clear, I like the kid and hope he continues to do well and end up back at ND...but admit you cheated! "I made poor judgements" is not fully taking responsibility.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Am I the only one disappointed he won't admit to using the word "cheated"...he danced around it so much in the opening of that interview, and I kind of lost respect for that.
Let me make it clear, I like the kid and hope he continues to do well and end up back at ND...but admit you cheated! "I made poor judgements" is not fully taking responsibility.

You're obviously not a lawyer lol

 

[Emcee77]

Am I the only one disappointed he won't admit to using the word "cheated"...he danced around it so much in the opening of that interview, and I kind of lost respect for that.
Let me make it clear, I like the kid and hope he continues to do well and end up back at ND...but admit you cheated! "I made poor judgements" is not fully taking responsibility.

Well, I see where you are coming from now that you mention it, but I didn't interpret it that way when I watched it. It seemed to me that he was clearly accepting responsibility; he just didn't want to go into detail about what happened, which is probably smart because then he'd just have to relive the whole episode with people judging him and talking about him. I don't know what he meant by answering the question "Did you cheat on a test?" with "Yeaaaaaaah, something like that," but then when the interviewer followed up and asked, "well, what happened" he admitted, "I mean, that's what happened." I interpreted the word "that" to refer to cheating based on the interviewer's prior question. Just my take; I could see how people might disagree.

 

[BGIF]

Am I the only one disappointed he won't admit to using the word "cheated"...he danced around it so much in the opening of that interview, and I kind of lost respect for that.
Let me make it clear, I like the kid and hope he continues to do well and end up back at ND...but admit you cheated! "I made poor judgements" is not fully taking responsibility.

"I made poor judgements" is not fully taking responsibility."

Hmm, there's only a single pronoun in that simple sentence.

He didn't blame the teacher, the school, the Honor Board, a coach making him watch film instead of preparing for a class, a classmate that had her paper in plain sight ... only himself.


If your daughter came home from college pregnant and said, "I made poor judgements", you'd probably demand she describe the position of the conception and then demand she wear a scarlet letter.

I wish any of the last three presidents had the backbone to say, "I made poor judgements." As I type this, the current one is on national TV now spinning anyway any shred of responsibility for the people he hired and the programs they implemented under his direction.

I don't condone Golson's behavior but I laud his accountability.

 

[Booslum31]

"I made poor judgements" is not fully taking responsibility."

Hmm, there's only a single pronoun in that simple sentence.

He didn't blame the teacher, the school, the Honor Board, a coach making him watch film instead of preparing for a class, a classmate that had her paper in plain sight ... only himself.


If your daughter came home from college pregnant and said, "I made poor judgements", you'd probably demand she describe the position of the conception and then demand she wear a scarlet letter.

I wish any of the last three presidents had the backbone to say, "I made poor judgements." As I type this, the current one is on national TV now spinning anyway any shred of responsibility for the people he hired and the programs they implemented under his direction.

I don't condone Golson's behavior but I laud his accountability.

THIS!

 

[Emcee77]

"I made poor judgements" is not fully taking responsibility."

Hmm, there's only a single pronoun in that simple sentence.

He didn't blame the teacher, the school, the Honor Board, a coach making him watch film instead of preparing for a class, a classmate that had her paper in plain sight ... only himself.


If your daughter came home from college pregnant and said, "I made poor judgements", you'd probably demand she describe the position of the conception and then demand she wear a scarlet letter.

I wish any of the last three presidents had the backbone to say, "I made poor judgements." As I type this, the current one is on national TV now spinning anyway any shred of responsibility for the people he hired and the programs they implemented under his direction.

I don't condone Golson's behavior but I laud his accountability.

Lol. Nicely put.

 

[irishpat183]

He's a cheater. But he's paid the price.

Get back on the field and bring IrishPat a title. Cheat again if you need too. Just don't get caught.

 

[micks60]

Am I the only one disappointed he won't admit to using the word "cheated"...he danced around it so much in the opening of that interview, and I kind of lost respect for that.
Let me make it clear, I like the kid and hope he continues to do well and end up back at ND...but admit you cheated! "I made poor judgements" is not fully taking responsibility.

Interview police

 

[Luckylucci]

Sampson at II with some interesting info. Golson will be able to participate in bowl practices with the team once first semester exams are finished. However, he cannot participate in competition between semesters for ND. Therefore he wouldn't be eligible to play in the bowl game.

 

[greyhammer90]

Sampson at II with some interesting info. Golson will be able to participate in bowl practices with the team once first semester exams are finished. However, he cannot participate in competition between semesters for ND. Therefore he wouldn't be eligible to play in the bowl game.

I'll take it. Even if it's only scout team while Rees gets ready for the bowl game with the 1st team. Golson is going to need: 1. Practice 2. Practice 3. Practice.

 

[Luckylucci]

Agreed, the sooner he's on that field with his teammates the better.

 

[ACamp1900]

Or maybe whitfield is doing it for free, for the publicity. Nevermind,
Look at his alumini though, and tell me that other schools haven't benefitted.
Quarterback Current and Alumni | Whitfield Athletix

Looking at that list I'm no longer super excited about Golson's work with him...

 

[DillonHall]

Looking at that list I'm no longer super excited about Golson's work with him...

Who cares about the list? Golson said the experience has been "ridiculously good"- that's all I need.

 

[greyhammer90]

Looking at that list I'm no longer super excited about Golson's work with him...

why? Not everyone is going to end up being a first rounder after working with him, if that was the case this guy would be paid millions by NFL teams. Saying that though, that's a crazy impressive list. Heisman finalist/winners, 1st rounders, and great Div. 1 starters abound.