'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[IrishLion]

Not at all what I said. Something along the lines of he was handicapped into the starting role by what his ceiling was, his youth, and where he was hoped to lead this team to as opposed to what he'd done. Given the starting role based on what we hoped he could do as opposed to what he actually had proven. If he earned it he wouldn't have to be replaced. He was learning during live games. I absolutely think it was the right thing to do.

I agree that it was correct, and as I said originally, it was clear that part of the decision was based on where he COULD be, just like you said.

However, it still doesn't take away the fact that BK had said that Golson took care of the football better than the other QBs in camp, which was the biggest part of the competition. How is that not earning it?

 

[Kanye West]

Golson's only problem was mental stuff and footwork. If he patches it down it'll be perfect next year. It sucks that he had to get in trouble, since we would be a top-8 team with him.

 

[NDohio]

Sitting at lunch today I overheard a conversation a few tables over. I was in Florence, SC(a little over an hour from Myrtle Beach), and 4 guys were talking college football. EG's name came into the conversation and to a man they talked about how Notre Dame overreacted to his missteps and that they threw a really good season out the window because of their academic arrogance. They felt that no other school would have treated their star athlete that way.



I was in a business lunch, otherwise I would have spoken to them and let them know that the very reasons they are making fun of ND are why I root for ND.

It was interesting to listen to.

 

[ThePiombino]

Sitting at lunch today I overheard a conversation a few tables over. I was in Florence, SC(a little over an hour from Myrtle Beach), and 4 guys were talking college football. EG's name came into the conversation and to a man they talked about how Notre Dame overreacted to his missteps and that they threw a really good season out the window because of their academic arrogance. They felt that no other school would have treated their star athlete that way.



I was in a business lunch, otherwise I would have spoken to them and let them know that the very reasons they are making fun of ND are why I root for ND.

It was interesting to listen to.

Sounds like an ignorant bunch.

 

[kmoose]

Golson's only problem was mental stuff and footwork. If he patches it down it'll be perfect next year. It sucks that he had to get in trouble, since we would be a top-8 team with him.

He also had some turnovers at key points in games. Nothing that the team wasn't able to overcome, but is everyone forgetting his terrible INT, in the end zone, in the 4th quarter of the Pitt game?

But I still think that most INTs come from a QB not seeing a defender, because they are too concerned about other things, like maybe getting into the right mechanics to throw, or having the correct footwork, etc... If he can get confident in those, then that frees up space in his brain to evaluate what he is seeing on the field.

 

[BGIF]

Sitting at lunch today I overheard a conversation a few tables over. I was in Florence, SC(a little over an hour from Myrtle Beach), and 4 guys were talking college football. EG's name came into the conversation and to a man they talked about how Notre Dame overreacted to his missteps and that they threw a really good season out the window because of their academic arrogance. They felt that no other school would have treated their star athlete that way.


I was in a business lunch, otherwise I would have spoken to them and let them know that the very reasons they are making fun of ND are why I root for ND.

It was interesting to listen to.

Not many other schools would have.


BTW, I worked in 45 states. I found SC the toughest state to work in. Extremely parochial, if you didn't go to S.C. or Clemson you were a foreigner. I had a co-worker from N.C. and he might as well have been from NY or CA. Nice people but a narrow field of vision.

 

[Cackalacky]

Not many other schools would have.


BTW, I worked in 45 states. I found SC the toughest state to work in. Extremely parochial, if you didn't go to S.C. or Clemson you were a foreigner. I had a co-worker from N.C. and he might as well have been from NY or CA. Nice people but a narrow field of vision.

LOL. So true. I can concur.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Hope he's ready to roll and take over come January

 

[Kanye West]

He also had some turnovers at key points in games. Nothing that the team wasn't able to overcome, but is everyone forgetting his terrible INT, in the end zone, in the 4th quarter of the Pitt game?

But I still think that most INTs come from a QB not seeing a defender, because they are too concerned about other things, like maybe getting into the right mechanics to throw, or having the correct footwork, etc... If he can get confident in those, then that frees up space in his brain to evaluate what he is seeing on the field.

Yeah, but he still went beast mode after it. That as a Freshman was already a gazillion times better than Rees. Since whenever Rees turns it over he likely self-destructs.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

ND did overreact to a point but what can ya do haha. Cant wait till November.

 

[Irish Insanity]

ND did overreact to a point but what can ya do haha. Cant wait till November.

Not sure you have the answer, but worth a shot.

When the Kelly contract negotiations began or ended or sometime around then, it was mentioned by Kelly that he wanted more transparency and more working hand in hand in regards to his players/the University/ and him. That he wanted to be more involved in things that affected his players outside of football. Is this situation what prompted these comments or desire? The fact that it was probably done with no inclusion of him.

 

[Circa]

I could see BK going after Hendrix.

I'm lost.. are we thinking Hendie should start?

 

[Irish Insanity]

I'm lost.. are we thinking Hendie should start?

Pretty sure that was in reference to someone saying if BK was around instead of Weis that we wouldn't have Tommy or Hendrix on the team because BK wouldn't have recruited them. The poster you quoted was saying he could see BK recruiting Hendrix.

 

[Circa]

Yeah, but he still went beast mode after it. That as a Freshman was already a gazillion times better than Rees. Since whenever Rees turns it over he likely self-destructs.

So tired... so very tired of what he's done with 0 accolades compared to today.

 

[Emcee77]

I'm lost.. are we thinking Hendie should start?

Ha. The question was whether BK inherited QBs in Rees and Hendrix that he wouldn't have otherwise recruited. The answer seems pretty clearly to be yes for to Rees. It's probably no for Hendrix. He certainly has the physical tools to be a Kelly QB. He wasn't a really highly rated guy ... 247 had him fairly high at 236, but evidently everyone else had him lower -- his 247 Composite rating was 314. Not much of a stretch, if at all, to say Kelly would have recruited him, though, imo. Those ratings are comparable to Golson.

Speaking of, Kelly was a little harsh with Hendrix at his presser today. Sounds like he's really putting pressure on him to start contributing to the offense.

 

[Circa]

Pretty sure that was in reference to someone saying if BK was around instead of Weis that we wouldn't have Tommy or Hendrix on the team because BK wouldn't have recruited them. The poster you quoted was saying he could see BK recruiting Hendrix.

Weis did recruit them both.. but I'm sure that was noted

http://irish.nbcsports.com/2013/08/24/given-the-chance-hendrix-finally-ready-for-opportunity/

and Reec was a happy signer

 

[Irish Insanity]

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[greyhammer90]

Getting a bit pseudo-sports-therapist, but the main reason I think Golson would turn this around is because the kid is just a winner. He wins. It's like a habit. He did it in high school against Clowney, he did it his first year as a starter. And the thing is, I think that's what the fan base and the players saw in him too. Perfect? No. But he'll win ballgames because that's what he does.

If our offense isn't completely disgusting next year then I'll reasonably listen to complaints about Kelly as a coach, because there is NO REASON we shouldn't be abusing defenses once Golson comes back with the rest of our offense. We've got a Ferrari with a bad driver right now, you get this thing in the hands of a competent wheel-man, and it's gonna go fast.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Getting a bit pseudo-sports-therapist, but the main reason I think Golson would turn this around is because the kid is just a winner. He wins. It's like a habit. He did it in high school against Clowney, he did it his first year as a starter. And the thing is, I think that's what the fan base and the players saw in him too. Perfect? No. But he'll win ballgames because that's what he does.

Forgot about that. Perhaps thats what helped in his escapability training and scrambling. Lol

 

[Circa]

ahhh.. volvo! Ha! everything's safe

 

[RyCo1983]

Ha. The question was whether BK inherited QBs in Rees and Hendrix that he wouldn't have otherwise recruited. The answer seems pretty clearly to be yes for to Rees. It's probably no for Hendrix. He certainly has the physical tools to be a Kelly QB. He wasn't a really highly rated guy ... 247 had him fairly high at 236, but evidently everyone else had him lower -- his 247 Composite rating was 314. Not much of a stretch, if at all, to say Kelly would have recruited him, though, imo. Those ratings are comparable to Golson.

Speaking of, Kelly was a little harsh with Hendrix at his presser today. Sounds like he's really putting pressure on him to start contributing to the offense.

For what it's worth, Kelly recruited and offered a scholarship to Hendrix, while he was coaching in the same city Andrew lived in, at Cincinnati.

I am very excited for Golson's return.

 

[Emcee77]

For what it's worth, Kelly recruited and offered a scholarship to Hendrix, while he was coaching in the same city Andrew lived in, at Cincinnati.

True, I thought of that, but then I thought that was also true of Luke Massa, and I doubt Kelly would have recruited him to ND.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Not sure you have the answer, but worth a shot.

When the Kelly contract negotiations began or ended or sometime around then, it was mentioned by Kelly that he wanted more transparency and more working hand in hand in regards to his players/the University/ and him. That he wanted to be more involved in things that affected his players outside of football. Is this situation what prompted these comments or desire? The fact that it was probably done with no inclusion of him.

I mean thats a loaded question. There are 100s of different situations that ND is at a dis-advantage compared to other schools. I dont know if the word "exception" is the right word, but he has been getting kids Weis/Willingham would not have got. Gaining more trust from admissions, alumni, and the school in general is key to have more control over the program.

I guess the difference is....at Bama, Saban asks for something and 99% of the time he gets it. Kelly asks for something and that percentage goes way down. I mean there was no excuse for ND to wait as long as the did to get a training table implemented. Its the little things that are putting ND behind the curve, and it all adds up.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I mean thats a loaded question. There are 100s of different situations that ND is at a dis-advantage compared to other schools. I dont know if the word "exception" is the right word, but he has been getting kids Weis/Willingham would not have got. Gaining more trust from admissions, alumni, and the school in general is key to have more control over the program.

I guess the difference is....at Bama, Saban asks for something and 99% of the time he gets it. Kelly asks for something and that percentage goes way down. I mean there was no excuse for ND to wait as long as the did to get a training table implemented. Its the little things that are putting ND behind the curve, and it all adds up.

The timing of it all and the comments he made made it sound like he knew nothing about it till after it happened as opposed to possibly being involved to try and rectify the issue. With Golson's issue I'm not sure I woulda been happy had the it got 'rectified' and all was good.
I like the way ND does it in the broad view. I'd much rather have a program where academics come first, as opposed to other schools where the football program runs the show. But I do agree with more of a 'team' aspect where BK is involved in all things with his players.
IIRC before Kelly we didn't go into inner city public schools and recruit, even if the player had decent academics. Kelly worked to get that loosened and did.

 

[stlnd01]

IIRC before Kelly we didn't go into inner city public schools and recruit, even if the player had decent academics. Kelly worked to get that loosened and did.

Like where? Trying to think of an "inner city public school" kid we've recruited lately. It's not like we're pulling kids from the Cass Tech in Detroit or the Chicago city league powers. Aside from Nix (under Weis) and the various Fresno kids who've not so much worked out, not many jump to mind. Ishaq Williams, I guess (though IIRC his parents are both Syracuse alums so I'd imagine he's from a reasonably academic-minded home). Are there others we've actually brought in?

 

[Irish Insanity]

Like where? Trying to think of an "inner city public school" kid we've recruited lately. It's not like we're pulling kids from the Cass Tech in Detroit or the Chicago city league powers. Aside from Nix (under Weis) and the various Fresno kids who've not so much worked out, not many jump to mind. Ishaq Williams, I guess (though IIRC his parents are both Syracuse alums so I'd imagine he's from a reasonably academic-minded home). Are there others we've actually brought in?

Not the best wording I guess. I thought Tuitt and maybe Ishaq were pulled from schools that we normally wouldn't have went in to.

 

[dublinirish]

Not the best wording I guess. I thought Tuitt and maybe Ishaq were pulled from schools that we normally wouldn't have went in to.

ishaq's school has 3 Nobel Laureates and Stephon Marbury. LOL

 

[NDohio]

Not many other schools would have.


BTW, I worked in 45 states. I found SC the toughest state to work in. Extremely parochial, if you didn't go to S.C. or Clemson you were a foreigner. I had a co-worker from N.C. and he might as well have been from NY or CA. Nice people but a narrow field of vision.

Too funny. I used to travel here on business quite often and felt the same way. Then I moved here and became that damn yankee. There have been some struggles but they are getting used to me.

 

[connect the dots]

Like where? Trying to think of an "inner city public school" kid we've recruited lately. It's not like we're pulling kids from the Cass Tech in Detroit or the Chicago city league powers. Aside from Nix (under Weis) and the various Fresno kids who've not so much worked out, not many jump to mind. Ishaq Williams, I guess (though IIRC his parents are both Syracuse alums so I'd imagine he's from a reasonably academic-minded home). Are there others we've actually brought in?

A lot of time and effort was placed in the recruitment of Immokalee's MacKensie Alexander. There was an extended summer visit, and Kelly, Alford, and Kerry Cooks were all in on his recruitment. Immokalee is a black rural farm community, and I doubt that many Irish Envy posters would stop their vehicle for a pulled pork sandwich and a beer at a convenience store in Immokalee, Florida. Warren Central's Sheldon Day is a huge success for Notre Dame, as have past recruitment of Chris Zorich(Chicago Vocational) and Jerome Bettis(MacKenzie High, Detroit). Aside - Because of training camp groin injury, surgery derailed MacKensie starting at cornerback, and he may redshirt for Clemson.

 

[nsisk157]

Take this for what it is but this is something I heard from a local and friend of EG while I am Myrtle..

Everett not to return to ND but opt for a school in SC.. looking at Clemson or Coastal..

For me, both don't make sense.. I know Taj is leaving after this year but Kelly is in the barn...
Coastal...I mean, outlandish.

But it's what I heard while here... can someone in the know please dispute this with real info, or does this line of thinking have traction...

Go Irish!