'10 IL QB Tommy Rees (Notre Dame Man)

[#1rish]

Did you watch those interceptions?

Notre Dame football Tommy Rees - chicagotribune.com

"We've got some young receivers out there that are not precise, quite frankly, in their route-running," Kelly added.

Maybe we should have CJ on more complicated routes.




I'll see myself out

 

[NDohio]

Tommy Rees’ Mentions On Twitter Are Absolutely Brutal | College Spun – Social. Local. Consumable. College Sports.

Hope none of these tweets are from IE guys. Kid doesn't have hit it physically, but he's giving it his all.

Sometimes I am embarassed to be a fan.

 

[ulukinatme]

The second one was an inaccurate pass that got tipped - the kind we lauded Manti for intercepting and made him a Heisman finalist. As for the third one, maybe the WRs ran the wrong route, so don't throw it with that many defenders in the area! If I recall correctly, it wasn't a timing route, and he should know by now that he doesn't have the arm to fit it in there.

The second INT looked catch-able to me, and didn't seem like a poor decision. The third pass certainly looked like a bad decision to me though, and of the three INTs thats the only one I can really fault Tommy for as a result.

 

[kmoose]

The second INT looked catch-able to me, and didn't seem like a poor decision. The third pass certainly looked like a bad decision to me though, and of the three INTs thats the only one I can really fault Tommy for as a result.

The second pass probably was catchable, but it was a bad throw. It didn't miss by much, but it did miss. The result was a tipped ball, and an INT. Not a bad decision, just a throw that was a little off. But sometimes a little is all it takes.

 

[NDohio]

The second one was an inaccurate pass that got tipped - the kind we lauded Manti for intercepting and made him a Heisman finalist. As for the third one, maybe the WRs ran the wrong route, so don't throw it with that many defenders in the area! If I recall correctly, it wasn't a timing route, and he should know by now that he doesn't have the arm to fit it in there.

Exactly. We turned those plays by Manti to be more about an AMAZING defensive play and less about a Quarterback's mistake. Now all of a sudden the defensive plays(by our opponents) aren't so amazing and the QB throwing the ball(one of our own) is at fault. SMH

 

[NDohio]

The second INT looked catch-able to me, and didn't seem like a poor decision. The third pass certainly looked like a bad decision to me though, and of the three INTs thats the only one I can really fault Tommy for as a result.

I agree, but I also think the defense should have bailed him out on that one. OK was deep in their own territory and drove it down our throat after that int.

 

[anarin]

If by catchable you mean TJ was supposed to one hand it with his finger tips? Then yes, it was catchable.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Go back and look at all 4 years and Tommy has tons of wrong throw placement. Heck even look at the Stanford TD last year and TJ was a magician and had to contort backwards to catch the pass. Go back and look how Tyler, Kyle R, TJ, Robby, and Floyd have all bailed out Tommy and his constant wrong ball placement.

Now, the only positive is that he has gotten the ball to them in the past.

I am just sick of seeing him play. I would just like not to hold my breath every time Tommy gets the ball--can't elude a sack, can't run, turns it over to many times, etc. He just makes me sick. I just hope our guys can rally around him and make-up for all of his turnovers against good teams or this is going to be a very long season.

 

[anarin]

Go back and look at all 4 years and Tommy has tons of wrong throw placement. Heck even look at the Stanford TD last year and TJ was a magician and had to contort backwards to catch the pass. Go back and look how Tyler, Kyle R, TJ, Robby, and Floyd have all bailed out Tommy and his constant wrong ball placement.

Now, the only positive is that he has gotten the ball to them in the past.

I am just sick of seeing him play. I would just like not to hold my breath every time Tommy gets the ball--can't elude a sack, can't run, turns it over to many times, etc. He just makes me sick. I just hope our guys can rally around him and make-up for all of his turnovers against good teams or this is going to be a very long season.

You must've been one of the people that tweeted at him.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Absolutely not, I have never and would never do that. I do say on this blog my opinions though. I don't wish injury, I don't curse at him/or about him. I don't like what he did to the cop a year ago. I don't like how he plays, but the only places I will talk about Tommy is on Irish Forums. And use stats to back up what I say. 11 TDS and 22 Turnovers against Good Defenses say it all. Oh, not to mention 2 ints in the end zone against FSU that basically cost us the game. And he has only lead us to 2 wins against good teams as a starter--USC and MSU. So, I back up my statements with stats--period. He has a great winning % against medoicre teams, but when it is a good team---game, set, Match we usually lose. Go back and look. How were his INts against Michigan? Were they recievers fault? How about 2 of the 3 last weekend? How about throwing into coverage twice in the endzone against FSU? HOw about the horrendous throws against USC and STanford?

Sorry, Tommy is horrible against good teams--period and flat out. And I say that when I talk about Tommy.

But, I will reiterate---I will not curse or go after him on twitter or to him on twitter.

 

[Luckylucci]

Sometimes I am embarassed to be a fan.

I don't condone tweeting that type of stuff period. Just keep in mind that not all of those people are ND fans. #NDSUCKS, I'm assuming thats not a fan.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Lucky, I agree--never say ND Sucks!!!!! ONe can cay our play sucks now---But, ND does not suck.

Is it embarassing to be a fan right now--Heck yes. Playing for the Nat. Champ. and that great feeling. Then getting blown out. Kelly causing undue stress on the Irish for looking at an NFL Job (that was caused by him, he could have said no), all of the transfers, the bad play, the bad loses. Yes, it is not fun in Irish Land right now.

BUT ND DOES NOT SUCK!

 

[NDohio]

I don't condone tweeting that type of stuff period. Just keep in mind that not all of those people are ND fans. #NDSUCKS, I'm assuming thats not a fan.

On the same token, many of them are ND fans. Their pictures show them in ND gear or have ND avatars. It is embarassing.

It will never drive me away, but it does drive me crazy .......

 

[Old Man Mike]

When I ever played ball of any sort, it was my feeling that "we" [the team] went with what we had and did the best we could. And, if we didn't happen to have LeBron James or Peyton Manning on the roster, we didn't land all over the guy we DID have, as long as he was giving it all he had. That was because we WERE Team, and a band of brothers pulling together on the same rope. We did what we could, and we supported each other through ups and downs. If somebody had a bad game, he was still our teammate. Most of us would probably have punched mockers in the face.

I believe that this team plays really hard almost to a man. Even when they show poor instinctive reactions, block the wrong guy or nobody at all, run a lousy route, they seem to at least be trying to do something productive. And this is especially true for Tommy. He seems to me to be IN to every play, really trying hard to not let the bombardment of Kelly subtleties, defensive trickery and bluff, hostile fans [even his "own"] get to him. He's carrying the weight. Mostly he carries it well. The world would be a better place if everyone tried as hard as Tommy Rees, and if those who want to add to his burdens would just "go away".

A reasonable case can be made that the "horrors" of the Oklahoma game had much more to do with a whole pile of breakdowns [and some bad luck] having little to do with Tommy. Kelly said so. TJ said so. My own eyes said so. I am happy to keep company with Coach and TJ, but even if all three of us are terribly wrong, Tommy is my teammate, my hard-working, always giving what he has, teammate. When Arizona State shows up on the other side of the field, I'll know that my quarterback has readied himself as well as anyone can to again give everything he has.

We only have one choice from our easy chairs: are we going to cheer for him or not??

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Of course I am going to cheer for him, I never-ever cheer against ND. The problem is that we have to cheer for him. We should never have been in the position at ND to have a QB that can't run, can't step up into the pocket, turns it over at an epic rate against good teams, and doesn't learn from his past mistakes. ND should be in this position. Now, there are two other to blame here too. Everett for his academic problem. And Coach for not getting Andrew any time in 4 years to be ready. I guess 3, for not letting another 5ish star guy to walk.

It is more than one guy that caused this below par season thus far. But, the trigger man right now is shooting the same way he has against good teams---he folds against them. The stats over 4 years are the same. THE SAME. And we are stuck with him, and I can't imagine how excited other teams are to play against a kid that will under pressure throw pics and has zero ability to run. Heck he makes Bernie Kosar look fast.

I still will never cheer against my Irish. I will never boo at a game against my irish. But, I will on a forum hold them accountable. As I will myself, never boo or curse at an Irish Player.

I hope Tommy realizes he is bad against good teams, and can understand the Irish Nation pretty upset with him. I hope the guys rally around him, that is what they should do. I hope some of the players come to his defense like Kap did. But, they all have to realize 11 TDS and 22 Turnovers are an abosolute embarassment for an Irish QB. And absolute embarassment.

 

[kmoose]

Maybe not against Oklahoma, but man...certainly his first three years Tommy was the recipient of a lot of football god hate. Had to spell Crist in the Michigan game first. Came into that Tulsa game, which was devastating even before the game started. Took over again for Crist after the crazy, stormy USF game. Poor defensive play at Michigan after that sealed the stupid night game at scUM. Coming into boos against Purdue last year. Coming in cold again against Stanford and Michigan...yadda yadda, etc. Yeah, it's what a backup is supposed to do, but Tommy carried himself pretty well in those circumstances I think. He also didn't lose his composure against OU when things got ugly after those early picks which were pretty much out of his hands.

While he may not produce "all things great," the kid gets less credit for what little success he's accomplished than any other QB I can remember. People have been quick to point the fingers at Tommy this year when things have gone poorly, and they seldom have pointed fingers toward him when things went well in the past while he was under center. I can't remember a QB we've had that's been more distrusted or polarizing (At least in the last 10 years, maybe 20).

People want things to be easy. If the only thing holding this team back is the QB, then a change of QB will put us back into the NCG. That's much easier than having to contemplate that it will take us a few years to get back to that level of excellence.

 

[ulukinatme]

Last season was more magical that many people realize. It was damn near a fluke that we got to the NCG when we did. The formula/personnel didn't dramatically change this year, and yet we're struggling mightily from the get go. I'm not saying we didn't earn our trip to get to the game, but damn if things didn't bounce our way more than once when in past years it we'd be no better than 50% in close games.

 

[Irishpinoy]

Watching this team play not to lose is almost unbearable. Put Malik Zaire in the game so he'll have experience for next year. You'll never know what he can do until you play him. Please no more Hendrix and Rees. They're are not good QBs. We'll win the same amount of games without those two.

 

[ACamp1900]

Last season was more magical that many people realize. It was damn near a fluke that we got to the NCG when we did. The formula/personnel didn't dramatically change this year, and yet we're struggling mightily from the get go. I'm not saying we didn't earn our trip to get to the game, but damn if things didn't bounce our way more than once when in past years it we'd be no better than 50% in close games.

I honestly believe the better case to be made is if we have better ball protection two years ago and this year, ND would have been in the BCS two straight years and would be unbeaten right now... I really do.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Uluke, It was magical. So fun! But, I don't think any team can lose a heisman runner-up and think they will be better. But, our problem is we lost so many to the NFL or possible NFL--Manti, Zeke, Eifert, Golic (made it through some cuts), Cave, Robby (made it through some cuts), Theo, Wood. Hard to think we would be better. And the loss of Golson.

But, watching this team is just way different. We look slower. We look less prepared. We look less passionate. We look like we make less adjustments. Our offense looks less prepared (granted we have QB that throws pics like it is going out of style against good teams).

I really think that the transers and BK's flirtation with the NFL effected us more than I at least thought. The tone is totally different. We got some breaks last year, but haven't you noticed a lack of passion on this team? Heck if you can't be passionate against Michigan what can you do?

The issue is even bigger if yo look to next year. Losing Nix in the middle who is going to do that? Who is going to take up two blockers??? What is going to happen with Tuitt gone too? So, the problems we faced this year with losing key players---we lose some big ones this next year two. You have to be ready--and I am scared with what I am seeing with that too. Oh, Shembo two. Kona/Tuitt/Nix/Shembo. So, we have to get it right now so we can build to the future too with recruits. So, if we play like we are how will it obtain top recruits? We won last year and got some studs (lost one too). So, buckle up and hold on.

Love ND, and Go Irish!!!!

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

AC, what is the common denomitator two year ago and ball protection and ball protection this year? Tommy

He needs all of his guys to step up rally, because he is so limited. Like Harrison did in the Sun Bowl with 3 pics, and Michael went off. But, when Floyd got hurt in the sun bowl things changed a little and Harrison picked it up. Along with Wood with some good runs.

So, others have to rise if BK stays with Rees because we don't have much chance against good teams with Tommy. So, our guys have to rally. They can, that is what is frustrating thus far. They are talented enough to do so. They have to create turnovers, better protection by the line, better pass rush, and better running. And we can do all of those. And we can win against most--even with Tommy. If we don't rely on Tommy to do much. It can be done, but we don't much margin for error (Turnovers at crucial times by Tommy Ie. Michigan and Ok debacles). Pass rush, corners actually turning around and no PI, Line play, and running we will be just fine.

It can be done. We just can't rely on Tommy. Others must rise!!

Go Irish

 

[ulukinatme]

Uluke, It was magical. So fun! But, I don't think any team can lose a heisman runner-up and think they will be better. But, our problem is we lost so many to the NFL or possible NFL--Manti, Zeke, Eifert, Golic (made it through some cuts), Cave, Robby (made it through some cuts), Theo, Wood. Hard to think we would be better. And the loss of Golson.

But, watching this team is just way different. We look slower. We look less prepared. We look less passionate. We look like we make less adjustments. Our offense looks less prepared (granted we have QB that throws pics like it is going out of style against good teams).

I really think that the transers and BK's flirtation with the NFL effected us more than I at least thought. The tone is totally different. We got some breaks last year, but haven't you noticed a lack of passion on this team? Heck if you can't be passionate against Michigan what can you do?

The issue is even bigger if yo look to next year. Losing Nix in the middle who is going to do that? Who is going to take up two blockers??? What is going to happen with Tuitt gone too? So, the problems we faced this year with losing key players---we lose some big ones this next year two. You have to be ready--and I am scared with what I am seeing with that too. Oh, Shembo two. Kona/Tuitt/Nix/Shembo. So, we have to get it right now so we can build to the future too with recruits. So, if we play like we are how will it obtain top recruits? We won last year and got some studs (lost one too). So, buckle up and hold on.

Love ND, and Go Irish!!!!

I'm not discounting the guys we lost last year. We lost some good ones for sure, but there are teams that replaced more bodies than we did last year and have improved or at least stayed the course. We've noticeably regressed. Some of it is lack of leadership, some of it is inexperience at positions. Depth shouldn't be an issue, even though our depth is a lot of freshmen at this point. Bottom line: we should have at least stayed the course to an extent or moved forward based on who was left on the team after last year. Teams lose players EVERY year, and they can either get better, get worse, or stay the course. We've taken a step back, and you can't put the blame on Tommy here. Even if he was the weakest link among our starters, which I don't think he is, you need guys to step up around him. You also need smarter play calling from the coaches. We haven't seen a lot of good play calling this year. We've seen a lot of play calling that has put us in bad positions.

 

[MJ12666]

First, if anyone deserves the blame for what happened Saturday it is the coaching staff. I think most agree that TR has limited physical skills. Therefore as soon as the staff learned that EG was not going to be able to play this fall the staff should have scrapped the pistol and spread formations, put TR under center, and concentrated on running the ball. Additionally, since they have decided that BK is incapable of catching passes as a tight-end, they could have put him in the backfield as a fullback to help facilitate the running game.

Second, the defense is not full of exceptionally talented linebackers and defensive backs. They need to go back to playing "soft" and limiting the big plays. They pretty much did this last year. Now maybe it is my imagination but they certainly seem to be playing much more man to man and blitzing. Unfortunately the blitzes don't fool anyone and the DB's are being isolated and getting beaten quite easily.

 

[Buster Bluth]

First, if anyone deserves the blame for what happened Saturday it is the coaching staff.

They weren't perfect, but they certainly aren't first in line.

I think most agree that TR has limited physical skills. Therefore as soon as the staff learned that EG was not going to be able to play this fall the staff should have scrapped the pistol and spread formations, put TR under center, and concentrated on running the ball.

Oh, so you want the slowest quarterback in recent Notre Dame history to have to take three- or five-step drops every play? Brilliant strategy, Vince.

Newsflash: you can run the ball in a spread.

The coaches installed the pistol to get the best fit for Tommy's abilities (and in that case how could they scrap it when it was installed this summer?). Tommy has played in a spread his entire career, since high school, so putting him in a pro-style offense (that the coaches haven't run since at least before GVSU's spread installation) is pretty insane. The pistol gave them the downhill running Atkinson needs, and keeps Tommy from having to move around so much and play to his spread strengths. It was easily the smartest move they could have done.

Additionally, since they have decided that BK is incapable of catching passes as a tight-end, they could have put him in the backfield as a fullback to help facilitate the running game.

You don't think he "facilities the running game" as a TE? There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Second, the defense is not full of exceptionally talented linebackers and defensive backs. They need to go back to playing "soft" and limiting the big plays.

That's basically what they did against Oklahoma.

They pretty much did this last year. Now maybe it is my imagination but they certainly seem to be playing much more man to man and blitzing. Unfortunately the blitzes don't fool anyone and the DB's are being isolated and getting beaten quite easily.

I disagree big time. Disregarding the first three minutes of the game, for obvious reasons, the defense only broke down two plays. They played pretty admirably in a bend-but-don't-break mindset.

 

[Wild Bill]

Go back and look at all 4 years and Tommy has tons of wrong throw placement. Heck even look at the Stanford TD last year and TJ was a magician and had to contort backwards to catch the pass. Go back and look how Tyler, Kyle R, TJ, Robby, and Floyd have all bailed out Tommy and his constant wrong ball placement.

Now, the only positive is that he has gotten the ball to them in the past.

I am just sick of seeing him play. I would just like not to hold my breath every time Tommy gets the ball--can't elude a sack, can't run, turns it over to many times, etc. He just makes me sick. I just hope our guys can rally around him and make-up for all of his turnovers against good teams or this is going to be a very long season.

Were you sick of him last year when he saved our asses? Tommy is struggling, no doubt, but let's not forget what he's done for the team. Most quarterbacks who lose their job to a freshman transfer. Tommy sucked it up and helped golson make the transition. Without him last year we're probably playing on xmas eve. Without him this year, we'd be 1-4.

 

[Eddie.Smith Irish]

When I ever played ball of any sort, it was my feeling that "we" [the team] went with what we had and did the best we could. And, if we didn't happen to have LeBron James or Peyton Manning on the roster, we didn't land all over the guy we DID have, as long as he was giving it all he had. That was because we WERE Team, and a band of brothers pulling together on the same rope. We did what we could, and we supported each other through ups and downs. If somebody had a bad game, he was still our teammate. Most of us would probably have punched mockers in the face.

I believe that this team plays really hard almost to a man. Even when they show poor instinctive reactions, block the wrong guy or nobody at all, run a lousy route, they seem to at least be trying to do something productive. And this is especially true for Tommy. He seems to me to be IN to every play, really trying hard to not let the bombardment of Kelly subtleties, defensive trickery and bluff, hostile fans [even his "own"] get to him. He's carrying the weight. Mostly he carries it well. The world would be a better place if everyone tried as hard as Tommy Rees, and if those who want to add to his burdens would just "go away".

A reasonable case can be made that the "horrors" of the Oklahoma game had much more to do with a whole pile of breakdowns [and some bad luck] having little to do with Tommy. Kelly said so. TJ said so. My own eyes said so. I am happy to keep company with Coach and TJ, but even if all three of us are terribly wrong, Tommy is my teammate, my hard-working, always giving what he has, teammate. When Arizona State shows up on the other side of the field, I'll know that my quarterback has readied himself as well as anyone can to again give everything he has.

We only have one choice from our easy chairs: are we going to cheer for him or not??

Way to bring levity to the situation, Mike. I like that. Makes a lot of sense. I find myself nailing Diaco and the D most days.......and have adopted the "Tommy can't win us a game, but can lose it in a hurry" philosophy lately, but I like the way you put that. Well done.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Just imagine had we not had Tommy on this team. Last year wouldn't have happened and this year would be a dumpster fire. Just sayin

 

[ulukinatme]

Just imagine had we not had Tommy on this team. Last year wouldn't have happened and this year would be a dumpster fire. Just sayin

Great point. Tommy's maturation and rise to QB happened because of a chain of events that no one foresaw years ago. I went back through this thread and posted about it a month ago. Tommy is recruited, people said "Thats nice, maybe he'll make a good scout team QB someday. He'll carry the clipboard for Hendrix." Clausen leaves early (Not unforseen), Tommy enrolls early, sees a lot of action in the spring with Crist recovering from the ACL. Crist goes down again, Tommy takes over for the rest of the season because of his knowledge of the offense and not Hendrix's mobility. Tommy gets inserted again as Crist struggles the next year, takes over the rest of the season. Spells Golson the 3rd year because of his previous game experience. Finally leads to him starting from day 1 his Senior year /w Golson out. Had Clausen not left, Crist got injured, and Tommy EE who knows who would be starting right now. He's had his struggles, but he's stuck it out despite the negativity some people show him. I can't fault the kid, and I still believe he can do good things for this team this year. It's up to the coaches to call the plays that cater to Tommy's strengths and not put him in situations where we'll struggle offensively.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Just imagine had we not had Tommy on this team. Last year wouldn't have happened and this year would be a dumpster fire. Just sayin

I think I would agree with 2012, but not 2013. If Tommy isn't there, Gunner is.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I think I would agree with 2012, but not 2013. If Tommy isn't there, Gunner is.

I guess I was always under the impression besides the fact he didn't get along with some of the coaches, that he knew Golson would always be above him while there was the issue. Not Tommy