Very Post Game Observations (Michigan State) ....

[Rack Em]

I am surprised you didn't start a thread questioning if dementors really existed.

:dunkedon:

They clearly suffer from a lack of strength and conditioning.

 

[Domer4ever]

Nearly a third of his total games coached (83) have been at Cincinnati and ND. His win % at BCS schools is 78%. So no, you can't dismiss his record due to GVS and CMU; though he did win multiple titles during that tenure.

I applaud what he did at Cincinnati beating up a mostly bad conference and I like what he has done streamlining the program here at ND, but to say he has been great from a purely coaching aspect here is debatable. That's all I'm saying. I really don't care what he has done on smaller stages at other places. Right now he looks like a very average head coach. You can point to last season as your silver star in support of him, but was that team there because of the great job Brian Kelly did, or because we caught some lucky breaks on a schedule that fell in our favor? The championship game answered that question for myself and many others in resounding fashion.

Yes, and Weis' two successful teams were headlined by recruits from Willingham's only successful recruiting class. Once the team was full of his recruits, he never did better than 6-6.

Yes, and Kelly's only successful season was headlined by Weis's boys who obviously had much more to do with last season then Brian Kelly did. Still waiting for Kelly to get "his guy's" all into place.

I admit that I expected a more dominant defense, and better run blocking from our OL. I've since reconciled those expectations with the apparent limitations of our new personnel. And I recognize that I simply don't know enough about our scheme and personnel to make sweeping generalizations about who is responsible for our shortcomings this season. That's the main difference between us. You only have a tiny fraction of the relevant data that our coaching staff has, and yet you feel comfortable calling out one of the best coaches in the nation. That's staggeringly arrogant.

Who are you to say there is more to the scheme and personnel than myself or anybody else and its not simply "what we see is what we get" in the shortcomings department? Do you really believe there is so much unknown data and information with this football team that you can't form a rational opinion or are you just afraid that doing so would cause you to call things on face value and have to criticize Kelly? Am I comfortable calling out Kelly? No. But I'm certainly not going to put on the homer glasses and look the other way when criticism is justified and right now the team is just playing incredibly sloppy football. I understand it's great they are winning in the process, but at some time playing sloppy football is going to lose a game or two that they should of won otherwise and it will certainly lead to getting their **** handed to them against the better teams on the schedule. Call it what you will.

Let's discuss this team's short-comings, the apparent limitations of our personnel, etc. When you limit yourself to such substantive topics, you're usually a positive contributor around here. But when you start trying to play the blame game, you go off the deep end. You're like a more articulate, but no less irrationally pessimistic, irishpat183.

I prefer not to play the "blame game" but again; sloppy football, questionable game planning, bad formations/schemes on both sides of the ball, and mental errors fall on the shoulders of the head coach. The argument could certainly be made that even though he's won, he has been out coached in every game this year outside of Temple. It's the type of stuff that should not be happening with a coach allegedly as good as Kelly is in his fourth year. We could do this all day long, but I digress. You think he walks on water and I say he doesn't. Hope you are right for both of our sake.

Also not sure who irishpat183 is, but uh.....thanks.

 

[anarin]

I prefer not to play the "blame game" but again; sloppy football, questionable game planning, bad formations/schemes on both sides of the ball, and mental errors fall on the shoulders of the head coach. The argument could certainly be made that even though he's won, he has been out coached in every game this year outside of Temple. It's the type of stuff that should not be happening with a coach allegedly as good as Kelly is in his fourth year. We could do this all day long, but I digress. You think he walks on water and I say he doesn't. Hope you are right for both of our sake.

Also not sure who irishpat183 is, but uh.....thanks.

Yeah you're right, they should immediately start looking for a new head coach.

 

[GowerND11]

Just throwing this stat out there. People have talked about how bad Diaco is, and calling for his head. In all four games the defense has given up 8.5 points per game in the second half. His adjustments are working. Now, it would be nice to get that kind of defensive production every half, see Michigan, but he is still doing the same thing that has worked for us before and has seemed to work so far. Small sample size yes, but encouraging at least.

 

[wizards8507]

Is this team 3-1 or 1-3? Sometimes it's hard to tell with the way people panic.

I'm glad to be 3-1. What concerns me is that it LOOKS like we'll finish the season 6-6 based on the way we've played and our future oponents. I agree that some of the doom and gloom posts are overboard but it's a Notre Dame fan forum. I think how we've played so far and how it looks like we'll play in the future is fair grounds for discussion. What else are people supposed to talk about? Otherwise this might as well be a blank page with our win-loss record in plain font and no discussion allowed.

 

[Domer4ever]

Yeah you're right, they should immediately start looking for a new head coach.

Lol, who knows...we may all wish the Eagles took him off our hands when all is said and done. Let's see how it plays out.

 

[Domer4ever]

I'm glad to be 3-1. What concerns me is that it LOOKS like we'll finish the season 6-6 based on the way we've played and our future oponents. I agree that some of the doom and gloom posts are overboard but it's a Notre Dame fan forum. I think how we've played so far and how it looks like we'll play in the future is fair grounds for discussion. What else are people supposed to talk about? Otherwise this might as well be a blank page with our win-loss record in plain font and no discussion allowed.

If you hang around for any length of time you will notice the "senior" posters here avoid any type of criticism towards the team or coach like the plague. This team could be 1-3 right now and they would still be shooting rainbows out their behinds. Pretty amusing actually.

 

[ryno 24]

Lol, who knows...we may all wish the Eagles took him off our hands when all is said and done. Let's see how it plays out.

You cant be serious, we just came off our best season in 24 years and we should want our head coach to go somewhere else? Really? Really? I'm sure that Les Miles should be fired after 3 losses at LSU last year as well. Who knows if and when Saban loses a game this year he should be gone.

Your arguments are losing credibility with statements like these.

 

[Domer4ever]

You cant be serious, we just came off our best season in 24 years and we should want our head coach to go somewhere else? Really? Really? I'm sure that Les Miles should be fired after 3 losses at LSU last year as well. Who knows if and when Saban loses a game this year he should be gone.

Your arguments are losing credibility with statements like these.

I'm not saying that. What I am saying is let's see this thing play out. I think there are some cracks in the dam right now in a lot of different facets. Can Kelly fix them where others before him could not? We shall see.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If you hang around for any length of time you will notice the "senior" posters here avoid any type of criticism towards the team or coach like the plague. This team could be 1-3 right now and they would still be shooting rainbows out their behinds. Pretty amusing actually.

There's nothing wrong with thoughtful, well-mannered critiques of the team and coaching staff (another mod, IrishLax, is quite pessimistic about our prospects for the rest of this season.) But that's not what you're doing. You're faulting the staff for every problem this 3-1 team has run into this year, and refusing them to give them credit for anything that happened last year (all Weis recruits and luck, right?)

That's called arguing in bad faith. You've got an axe to grind, and no amount of objective data to the contrary will convince you otherwise. You simply don't know enough about our program, scheme and personnel to be able to draw the sorts of critical inferences you're regurgitating in every thread.

With all due respect, if you don't like our insistence on substantive dialogue here, then go find another board. You'd fit right in at NDNation.

 

[IrishLion]

If you hang around for any length of time you will notice the "senior" posters here avoid any type of criticism towards the team or coach like the plague. This team could be 1-3 right now and they would still be shooting rainbows out their behinds. Pretty amusing actually.

Or maybe the "senior" posters realize that Brian Kelly has brought stability and improvement to a program that lacked anything of the sort before he arrived.

Criticism is fair, and no, Kelly hasn't been perfect. However, the sky hasn't fallen and Kelly hasn't had his *** thoroughly handed to him by every other coaching staff like you seem to imagine.

 

[ND NYC]

"Tis better to win ugly than to lose pretty..."

-William Shakespeare

 

[Domer4ever]

There's nothing wrong with thoughtful, well-mannered critiques of the team and coaching staff (another mod, IrishLax, is quite pessimistic about our prospects for the rest of this season.) But that's not what you're doing. You're faulting the staff for every problem this 3-1 team has run into this year, and refusing them to give them credit for anything that happened last year (all Weis recruits and luck, right?)

That's called arguing in bad faith. You've got an axe to grind, and no amount of objective data to the contrary will convince you otherwise. You simply don't know enough about our program, scheme and personnel to be able to draw the sorts of critical inferences you're regurgitating in every thread.

With all due respect, if you don't like our insistence on substantive dialogue here, then go find another board. You'd fit right in at NDNation.

If you read back, I did give Kelly credit for streamlining the program which did obviously help in last season's ultimate success. Look, Kelly is a good coach.....but I don't buy into him being the second coming like so many of you do based on what is plain as day to see. Also, why is it so convenient for you to grasp that the senior class last year, which was recruited by Weis, was a huge reason this team went as far as they did, but yet are quick to tab Weis's early success on "Willingham's recruits." Is there not a parallel there? Hypocritical anyone?

The bottom line here is I'm giving an opinionated critique, you just don't like what I had to say because you think Kelly is beyond reproach. You have your opinions and I have mine, and that doesn't make me "arguing in bad faith" or "having an axe to grind" when you just don't agree with my critique. It also doesn't make your opinion right and mine wrong. For you to infer that I'm some nitwit "who can't possibly know enough about the program to form an educated opinion" is about as dumb of a statement as I have heard on this board and I take offense to that being that every Joe Schmoe on this board (yourself included) throws around opinions like rice at a wedding. But I guess my application to the "senior frat house" was denied because I don't share in your homeristic view points. Oh well. With all due respect I think I'll stick around to provide a differing viewpoint from the normal drivel.

 

[NDohio]

Some of us were already in our adult years when the Davie/Willingham/Weis trifecta began. There was plenty to be critical of during those years. They were painful. IMO some of the younger posters on this board were not old enough to really understand how bad it was during that time period.

BK reversed the course and has done it quickly. Twelve years of complete disaster and weekly heartache has hardened many of us. To have a coach that we are confident in is refreshing. I don't defend BK because I drink green kool-aid, I defend him because he gives me hope for Notre Dame football to be where it should be; a top fifteen program every year, A team that has a shot of having national championship runs every few years, and a team that can recruit with the SEC.

Are there shortcomings on this current team? Yes indeed. Do I have hope for the coaching staff to work hard on correcting those shortcomings and improving as the season moves along? Yes indeed.

I think I'll come back about Wednesday.

Go Irish!

 

[koonja]

If you read back, I did give Kelly credit for streamlining the program which did obviously help in last season's ultimate success. Look, Kelly is a good coach.....but I don't buy into him being the second coming like so many of you do based on what is plain as day to see. Also, why is it so convenient for you to grasp that the senior class last year, which was recruited by Weis, was a huge reason this team went as far as they did, but yet are quick to tab Weis's early success on "Willingham's recruits." Is there not a parallel there? Hypocritical anyone?

The bottom line here is I'm giving an opinionated critique, you just don't like what I had to say because you think Kelly is beyond reproach. You have your opinions and I have mine, and that doesn't make me "arguing in bad faith" or "having an axe to grind" when you just don't agree with my critique. It also doesn't make your opinion right and mine wrong. For you to infer that I'm some nitwit "who can't possibly know enough about the program to form an educated opinion" is about as dumb of a statement as I have heard on this board and I take offense to that being that every Joe Schmoe on this board ( yourself included) throws around opinions like rice at a wedding. But I guess application to the "senior frat house" was denied because I don't share in your homeristic view points. Oh well. With all due respect I think I'll stick around to provide a differing viewpoint from the normal drivel.

Seriously, IrishPat is going to love this guy.

And I'm not ripping on you, like I said I like Irishpat. You sound like twins!

 

[Domer4ever]

Seriously, IrishPat is going to love this guy.

And I'm not ripping on you, like I said I like Irishpat. You sound like twins!

I don't know who that is....but thanks I guess. Just calling it as I see it, not trying to stir the pot with shock comments or anything like that, just giving an honest opinion like everyone else. In this instance my opinion looks to not be with the majority here....oh well.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If you read back, I did give Kelly credit for streamlining the program which did obviously help in last season's ultimate success.

"treamlining the program" is the only thing you've given the staff credit for, and every time you've qualified it in some major way.

Look, Kelly is a good coach.....but I don't buy into him being the second coming like so many of you do based on what is plain as day to see.

I don't think he's the second coming. But the objective data indicates that he rates among a handful of elite active coaches. Do you have evidence that some other coach could do better here?

And what's "plain as day to see"? Was the 2012 season foreseeable before the Utah game in 2010? How about after the FSU game in 2011? This gets back to you thinking you know a helluva lot more than you do.

Also, why is it so convenient for you to grasp that the senior class last year, which was recruited by Weis, was a huge reason this team went as far as they did, but yet are quick to tab Weis's early success on "Willingham's recruits." Is there not a parallel there? Hypocritical anyone?

You're the one who brought up the fact that our 2012 team was headlined by Weis recruits. I pointed out that Weis' two successful seasons were similarly headlined by Willingham recruits. Point being, unless you're implying that Kelly can't recruit, it's not really relevant to anything we've been discussing.

For you to infer that I'm some nitwit "who can't possibly know enough about the program to form an educated opinion" is about as dumb of a statement as I have heard on this board and I take offense to that being that every Joe Schmoe on this board ( yourself included) throws around opinions like rice at a wedding.

It's not about having an unpopular opinion. No one on this board knows enough about the inner workings of the program to confidently assign blame for our issues this year. Yet you continue to hammer on the same baseless assumptions about coaching incompetence and offensive identity.

But I guess application to the "senior frat house" was denied because I don't share in your homeristic view points. Oh well.

Did you miss the part about other established posters being very pessimistic as well? There's no "senior frat house" with "homeristic view points". Just you derailing every Game and Post-Game thread with unsubstantiated bullsh!t, and me getting sick of responding to it.

With all due respect I think I'll stick around to provide a differing viewpoint from the normal drivel.

Right, so most of what get posted on IE is "drivel"? Good thing the enlightened cynic Domer4Ever deigns to disabuse us of our ignorant faith in a thoroughly proven head coach.

Do you really think you're improving the quality of discourse around here by posting, "Hey guys, maybe Kelly's just not a very good coach. Maybe we would have been better off if the Eagles had hired him away. Just sayin'..." That's borderline trolling.

As ND fans, we're all emotionally invested in the team. That's why pessimism is unpleasant to read, and also why such posts bear stricter scrutiny around here than inane optimism. So if you want to continue dumping on the players and the coaching staff, you'd better start backing it up with some data, reasoned analysis, etc.

 

[Domer4ever]

"treamlining the program" is the only thing you've given the staff credit for, and every time you've qualified it in some major way.

What else are you looking for? Recruiting has been good, though they have lost a handful of highly ranked recruits for various reasons. As I have stated many times before, I am of the opinion that the actual coaching job done by Kelly and company has been pretty pedestrian thus far.

I don't think he's the second coming. But the objective data indicates that he rates among the handful of elite active coaches. Do you have evidence that some other coach could do better here?

I provided evidence that Weis did almost as well as Kelly 43 games into his coaching career with much less to work with from both a talent and facilities standpoint. How did that all turn out? Again, I could care less about his coaching records on the small stages of Grand Valley State, CMU, and Cincy. You like to point to his winning percentage as your "scoreboard moment" when it really has little bearing on what's happening now and the mediocrity of this football team after four years.

And what's "plain as day to see"? Was the 2012 season foreseeable before the Utah game in 2010? How about after the FSU game in 2011? This gets back to you thinking you know a helluva lot more than you do.

I'm referring to the issues on the team currently being "plain as day to see"

You're the one who brought up the fact that our 2012 team was headlined by Weis recruits. I pointed out that Weis' two successful seasons were similarly headlined by Willingham recruits. Point being, unless you're implying that Kelly can't recruit, it's not really relevant to anything we've been discussing.

I brought the point up about Weis recruits because he was being targeted and belittled in a prior post for his teams "giving up" in the promotion of Kelly's genius. I simply brought up the fact that last years team doesn't sniff the championship game last year without that core group of seniors Weis recruited. No more than that.

It's not about having an unpopular opinion. No one on this board knows enough about the inner workings of the program to confidently assign blame for our issues this year. Yet you continue to hammer on the same baseless assumptions about coaching incompetence and offensive identity.

IT'S AN OPINION BOARD FOR GOD'S SAKE!

All of us schmucks try to give an educated opinion on what we know a face value (which is actually a lot with the advent of the internet and social media). My opinions are no more "baseless" than most of what you routinely spout off about. I mean, how could you possibly know the inner workings of the team any more then anyone else unless your Kelly's sister or something? If so my apologies.

Did you miss the part about other established posters being very pessimistic as well? There's no "senior frat house" with "homeristic view points". Just you derailing every Game and Post-Game thread with unsubstantiated bullsh!t, and me getting sick of responding to it.

I've seen a couple, but far more "established posters" who rip on other points of view with equally unsubstantiated BS

Right, so most of what get posted on IE is "drivel"? Good thing the enlightened cynic Domer4Ever deigns to disabuse us of our ignorant faith in a thoroughly proven head coach.

LOL okay

Do you really think you're improving the quality of discourse around here by posting, "Hey guys, maybe Kelly's just not a very good coach. Maybe we would have been better off if the Eagles had hired him away. Just sayin'..." That's borderline trolling.

We won't know for a while. I might be right?

As ND fans, we're all emotionally invested in the team. That's why pessimism is unpleasant to read, and also why such posts bear stricter scrutiny around here than inane optimism. So if you want to continue dumping on the players and the coaching staff, you'd better start backing it up with some data, reasoned analysis, etc.

Ive done that, you just don't agree. Anyway, done arguing with you. Life goes on.

 

[Gauss]

I think the jury is still out on Kelly - he hasn't really shown much either way I think. However, I do want to take issue with the notion that "objective data" supports Kelly as being an elite coach. The data shows he's got an elite winning percentage - that's not the same thing as him being an elite coach.

Coaching isn't something that lends itself much to objective analysis. Trying to measure it using statistics will almost always miss the forest for the trees. The sample sizes are too small, and the circumstances are too varied and malleable to make the overall numbers all that meaningful.

What makes someone a good coach is a series of strong decisions. Kelly has a good track record there so far, although not spotless. Whether or not he's a good coach however has basically nothing to do with beating up on teams at Grand Valley State.

 

[MJ12666]

WHO CARES?!?! DID WE RUN AN UPTEMPO SPREAD WITH GOLSON LAST YEAR? THE ANSWER IS NO. SO AGAIN, WHAT IS HE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH?

And for all you pointing to Golson as the easy out, don't forget Golson didn't finish a handful of games last season and for the most part was pretty pedestrian passing the football. I know you all think Kelly farts powdered sugar and is an absolute genius, but grasp the reality that he is not the offensive genius he was made out to be when he got here.

I think Kelly is really trying to minimize turnovers and he is having the plays called accordingly. Remember two years ago they ended 7-5 but lost a majority of those games because of turnovers. I think that he has emphasized this point to TR and TR is trying to be very careful with his throws. I also believe that a previous posted had it correct in that TR lack of arm strength and accuracy makes it extremely difficult hitting passes in the 15-25 yard range over the middle as the passing windows are open but close quickly. Anyway, it is what it is. I just wish he would decide on a primary running back and back-up. Backs seem to run better when they get consistent carries.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Again, I could care less about his coaching records on the small stages of Grand Valley State, CMU, and Cincy.

When you say that you "could care less" it means that you care enough to be able to care less.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I think the jury is still out on Kelly - he hasn't really shown much either way I think. However, I do want to take issue with the notion that "objective data" supports Kelly as being an elite coach. The data shows he's got an elite winning percentage - that's not the same thing as him being an elite coach.

Coaching isn't something that lends itself much to objective analysis. Trying to measure it using statistics will almost always miss the forest for the trees. The sample sizes are too small, and the circumstances are too varied and malleable to make the overall numbers all that meaningful.

What makes someone a good coach is a series of strong decisions. Kelly has a good track record there so far, although not spotless. Whether or not he's a good coach however has basically nothing to do with beating up on teams at Grand Valley State.

National Championship game doesn't do it for you?

 

[kmoose]

Who gives a ****!? A vast majority of that winning percentage was accomplished Division II Grand Valley State for god's sake! Right now, he isn't much better than Weis at the same point in their ND coaching careers despite Kelly having superior talent and facilities. Do you deny this team is playing sloppy football, playing down to the level of their opponents, and could just as easily have lost games against Purdue and Michigan State if not for a play here or there and despite the large margin in roster talent? Am I happy they won? Absolutely! But I'm not some homer like yourself that refuses to acknowledge this teams issues from the coaching staff on down and understands the fact that the good fortune they have enjoyed is eventually going to run its course leaving a sloppy football team in its wake.

Keep on keeping on though.

Seriously............ you are becoming annoying. And calling out the better posters on the board is just not smart. You have every right to offer your opinion that Kelly is a $hitty coach, and try to back that up with more opinion, but I'm tired of your accusations that we are all some kind of brain dead homers who can't see a foot in front of our faces. You're not happy with some things. That's fine. But you have yet to make a compelling argument for your unhappiness. So quit crying when people tell you that you are wrong.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Seriously............ you are becoming annoying. And calling out the better posters on the board is just not smart. You have every right to offer your opinion that Kelly is a $hitty coach, and try to back that up with more opinion, but I'm tired of your accusations that we are all some kind of brain dead homers who can't see a foot in front of our faces. You're not happy with some things. That's fine. But you have yet to make a compelling argument for your unhappiness. So quit crying when people tell you that you are wrong.

Agreed.


Someone earlier suggested NDNation.

 

[kmoose]

If you hang around for any length of time you will notice the "senior" posters here avoid any type of criticism towards the team or coach like the plague. This team could be 1-3 right now and they would still be shooting rainbows out their behinds. Pretty amusing actually.

From the first post in this very f'in thread..............

1. The offense looked pretty bad; 82 yard net rushing, 142 yards passing on 34 attempts. Rees looked like he was off just a bit, for most of the night. And I have to wonder whether or not BK has a pass play in the playbook that is LESS than 20 yards down the field. We kept trying to go deep on these guys. Maybe the coaches saw something on film, but when that wasn't working a majority of the time, and your QB looks a little rusty; start calling some short and medium length pass plays. Let your QB, and your offense, get into a rhythmn.

2. The defense didn't play particularly well, but they didn't svck, either. They only gave up 254 total yards, and 13 points. But the philosophy is what worries me. It's not a big secret, that Diaco's philosophy is to keep everything in front of the Defense, fly to the ball to prevent big YACs, and wait for the offense to make a mistake. One of the things that I have noticed, this year, is that when ND gets off of the field on 3rd down, it is usually because of an offensive mistake, not a great defensive play. We play a lot of quality teams, with our schedule. Quality teams are quality teams because they don't normally make a lot of unforced errrors. So we need to get better on D. I'm sure this is no surprise to any of you, and certainly not to the coaching staff. But once you realize what it is that ND is doing, you watch the game a little differently. You don't have a stroke, every time your opponent puts a drive together. You don't freak out on every ND offense's 3 and out.

3. Not one single turnover by the offense. Great job of taking care of the ball, in what looked to be a pretty physical game.

4. The freshmen got their chances........ Corey Robinson probably earned himself a starting spot, or at least a spot in the WR rotation, for the rest of the season. This kid could end up being VERY good. Folston didn't impress much. Not enough for me, or anyone else, to clamor to give him more PT.

5. The run blocking by the Offensive line looked as bad as I have seen it, in the last two seasons. They pass blocked well, in that Rees seemed to have plenty of time in the pocket. But there were WAY too many defenders meeting the RBs, head on, in the hole.

6. This is not, nor is it likely to be, the same caliber of team as went to the BCS Championship Game, last year. But they are a talented team that never quits, and has not shown a propensity to panic, either, thus far. 10 wins are a fair possibility, although it may look ugly getting there.

So take your assertion that some of us refuse to criticize the team or the coaches, and shove it............... oh, hell, never mind.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I think the jury is still out on Kelly - he hasn't really shown much either way I think.

Were you ****ing asleep for 2007, 2008, and 2009?

However, I do want to take issue with the notion that "objective data" supports Kelly as being an elite coach. The data shows he's got an elite winning percentage - that's not the same thing as him being an elite coach.

There is not a victory that goes by where you don't hear about the program accomplishing something not done in over a decade. In 2011 it was all about the rushing offense, in 2012 it was all about the defense, hell this week it was the home winning streak. The man has improved damn near every aspect of this program. Hell, he's made TOMMY REES the most accurate passer in Notre Dame history!

Coaching isn't something that lends itself much to objective analysis. Trying to measure it using statistics will almost always miss the forest for the trees. The sample sizes are too small, and the circumstances are too varied and malleable to make the overall numbers all that meaningful.

His sample size is over two decades and four programs, and they all showed the same trajectory. All of them.

What makes someone a good coach is a series of strong decisions. Kelly has a good track record there so far, although not spotless.

No one is spotless. That's why an 80% winning percentage is considered nearly unattainable; 75% is elite.

Whether or not he's a good coach however has basically nothing to do with beating up on teams at Grand Valley State.

Ahh the ol' discredit the past trick. What about the precipitous climbs at Central Michigan, or Cincinnati, or Notre Dame? Ooooh that's right there was X, Y, Z reasons for those.

I've said on some Ohio State forums over the years that I've thought Brian Kelly and Jim Tressel had oddly similar stories. Success at smaller divisions, established records for fundamentals, looking to take off in year two, etc. That was before 2011 imploded. But, then 2012 happened and the comparison looked decent again. Then I looked a bit deeper and realized that the 2003, and 2004 teams were generally awful offensively. "Tresselball" was invented, to call out the predictable play calling and willingness to punt. It wasn't until the second half of 2005 that the offense flurished. Tressel had 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 to get a quarterback up in his system, sometimes it just doesn't work out as well as we want. But the program had a few growing pains (2004 was rough) and blew the doors off people in 2006-2010. That's what I expect from Kelly. I too am wondering why we can't get a quarterback and see Cincinnati-style offenses, but I'm not ignorant of the fact that this game requires patience for a while. Take a chill pill people.

 

[Domer4ever]

Seriously............ you are becoming annoying. And calling out the better posters on the board is just not smart. You have every right to offer your opinion that Kelly is a $hitty coach, and try to back that up with more opinion, but I'm tired of your accusations that we are all some kind of brain dead homers who can't see a foot in front of our faces. You're not happy with some things. That's fine. But you have yet to make a compelling argument for your unhappiness. So quit crying when people tell you that you are wrong.

Your annoyance is because I have a different take on the coaching from the "more established posters" such as yourself and you don't like what I have to say because there is some criticism involved with it. I have explained my position on the subject numerous with some rational thought, but its not a "compelling argument" because its different from your own conjecture on the topic. The only crying being done around here are by those upset with the fact that there are other posters on this board who don't believe everything is cotton candy and unicorns with Brian Kelly's coaching and will call him out on it. Get over yourselves and move on.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Your annoyance is because I have a different take on the coaching from the "more established posters" such as yourself and you don't like what I have to say because there is some criticism involved with it. I have explained my position on the subject numerous with some rational thought, but its not a "compelling argument" because its different from your own conjecture on the topic. The only crying being done around here are by those upset with the fact that there are other posters on this board who don't believe everything is cotton candy and unicorns with Brian Kelly's coaching and will call him out on it. Get over yourselves and move on.

Your an idiot. I love the W's but hate the way we look doing it. I wish BK would make some changes too. But you going thru and attacking posts and posters that don't agree with your opinion is the issue here. State your ****ing opinion. After that others have a right to do the same. Not many align with yours. Bullying your way around with your opinion isn't going to change that. Attacking the board and posters on it won't either, in fact it just makes you look like an *******.

 

[IrishLax]

If you hang around for any length of time you will notice the "senior" posters here avoid any type of criticism towards the team or coach like the plague. This team could be 1-3 right now and they would still be shooting rainbows out their behinds. Pretty amusing actually.

I probably have the highest post count in this neck of the woods....

...and I started a thread entitled "Chuck Martin has no idea what he's doing."

So much for that theory I guess.

 

[Domer4ever]

Your an idiot. I love the W's but hate the way we look doing it. I wish BK would make some changes too. But you going thru and attacking posts and posters that don't agree with your opinion is the issue here. State your ****ing opinion. After that others have a right to do the same. Not many align with yours. Bullying your way around with your opinion isn't going to change that. Attacking the board and posters on it won't either, in fact it just makes you look like an *******.

ARE YOU DRUNK?!?! GO BACK AND READ THE F'N THREAD!!! IM THE ONE BEING "ATTACKED" YOU SHMOE!

I'm done with this. You all are right, I'm wrong, and I certainly won't bring a differing viewpoint to the table ever again without conferring with big brother first. Holy hell.