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Irishbounty28

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I will put my two cents out there...

Last year we were a time of possession and protect the football type of team. Limit the opportunities the other team has by keeping the ball out of their hands. We were able to operate this way because we had a quarterback that could sustain drives by converting third and intermediates with his legs or arm. This by itself allowed us to win time of possession. Also, a mobile quarterback can limit some unnecessary throws by making plays with his legs, which results in less forced throws.

This is neither the coaches fault, or Tommy's, but rather what our identity as a team is this year. Watching the game, I couldn't help but feel as though Michigan looked eerily similar to us last year, with Golson at the helm.

1. Defense seems to be vanilla unless there is a dire need to make a play. I don't quite understand the thought that the offense needs to come out fast and put points on the board, but the defense comes out bend but don't break. I feel as if we should be coming out firing on both sides of the ball no matter the position on the field.

2. Linebackers for the most part are a downgrade from last year, which should be expected. Athleticism needs to be on the field, and I like that Grace brings that to the table.

3. Dline has a lot on their plate this year, which constitutes a little more responsibility. I feel their play can step as the season progresses, but they are still very good at stopping conventional run plays.

4. Lastly, our offense is capable of moving the ball between the twenties, but stiffens up in the red zone. It is the exact opposite of our defensive philosophy, whereas when we get in the red zone our play calling doesn't seem to change much. Would like to see some different looks in the red zone on offense, with some aggressive runs to the edge.

Just my thoughts.
 

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Haven't seen this mentioned (sorry if I missed it) but how bad was the decision to decline the holding penalty? Would have been 2nd and 18 instead of 3rd and 8. They were converting 3rd and 8ish all game so I thought it was a really bad decision. Better to take your chances on 2nd and 18. Time wasn't really a factor either. I think there was over 6 minutes left.
 

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Haven't seen this mentioned (sorry if I missed it) but how bad was the decision to decline the holding penalty? Would have been 2nd and 18 instead of 3rd and 8. They were converting 3rd and 8ish all game so I thought it was a really bad decision. Better to take your chances on 2nd and 18. Time wasn't really a factor either. I think there was over 6 minutes left.

Look a page or two back. There's a discussion and a line graph addressing the decision.
 

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Haven't seen this mentioned (sorry if I missed it) but how bad was the decision to decline the holding penalty? Would have been 2nd and 18 instead of 3rd and 8. They were converting 3rd and 8ish all game so I thought it was a really bad decision. Better to take your chances on 2nd and 18. Time wasn't really a factor either. I think there was over 6 minutes left.

I'm with you. That made no sense, but it did make a difference. If you get a sack, then consider declining, this was really no brainer with the way the game was going.
 

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Haven't seen this mentioned (sorry if I missed it) but how bad was the decision to decline the holding penalty? Would have been 2nd and 18 instead of 3rd and 8. They were converting 3rd and 8ish all game so I thought it was a really bad decision. Better to take your chances on 2nd and 18. Time wasn't really a factor either. I think there was over 6 minutes left.

They played the odds, based on the way the game was going. They maybe could stop Michigan's offense on one play, but two plays in a row? Good luck with that!
 

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lay off Rees. He's not as bad as you think.

You realize that if Zaire was your QB tonight, that ND might've got run out of the stadium, right? No way Zaire reads those coverages and blitzes and get in out of the right plays so quickly in that environment.

Rees' last INT was pretty flukish, and while his first INT was really stupid you have to cut him some slack. He's a right handed QB moving to his left and throwing on the run. It takes a big-time arm to make that throw, Rees doesn't have a big arm and was trying to do too much. Should have thrown that one away to fight another down.

Seriously, Zaire wouldn't have been able to make the calls and read the blitzes and get the ball to the hot guy like Rees could. Nor could he make some of those timing throws between the CB and Safety that have to be thrown on perfect timing before the WR is even out of his break.

Rees kept you all in the game. He's pretty limited physically, but he's a very smart QB. He knows his X's and O's.

and that means that the Zaire kid isn't ask coach he is very smart that's why he is there because no only is he a great athlete he has a great football IQ and would of been able to read those defenses.
 

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and that means that the Zaire kid isn't ask coach he is very smart that's why he is there because no only is he a great athlete he has a great football IQ and would of been able to read those defenses.

Probably shouldn't feed this troll, but there's a big difference between being a "very smart" true freshman and being a "very smart" senior with 20 starts under his belt (or whatever Rees is up to). Especially at QB. Especially in a road game like that.
 

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and that means that the Zaire kid isn't ask coach he is very smart that's why he is there because no only is he a great athlete he has a great football IQ and would of been able to read those defenses.

What in the **** did you just say?
 

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Probably shouldn't feed this troll, but there's a big difference between being a "very smart" true freshman and being a "very smart" senior with 20 starts under his belt (or whatever Rees is up to). Especially at QB. Especially in a road game like that.

Doesn't matter if you play away or home. This kid is gonna surprise you all. A stiff non mobile qb who either cant move or is afraid to move is gonna allow teams to t off on us. todays Qb has got to be mobile or he is gonna A) get himself hurt or B) kill the offense. Until we stick with one running \back and run him until the wheels come off are offense is in trouble. At least having a mobile QB gives us a chance.
 

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Doesn't matter if you play away or home. This kid is gonna surprise you all. A stiff non mobile qb who either cant move or is afraid to move is gonna allow teams to t off on us. todays Qb has got to be mobile or he is gonna A) get himself hurt or B) kill the offense. Until we stick with one running \back and run him until the wheels come off are offense is in trouble. At least having a mobile QB gives us a chance.

Please go away or learn something about football. Mccarron, Aaron Murray, Mettenberg, and others currently playing say hi. Also in the last couple of years there has been Jimmy Clausen, Matt Barkley, Graham Harrell, Tony Pike, Sam Bradford, Landy Jones, Brandon Weeden, Kellen Moore, etc.
 

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Sorry guys, haven't ready any of the other posts. Here's my two cents worth.

Offense played pretty well. Tommy's INT at the end of the half was a killer. Otherwise I thought he played well.

We miss Manti. He could react so quickly and had the speed to run things down.

I thought our DB's played pretty well. The first PI call was terrible and that was the difference in the game.

The team played hard the entire game. No quit.

I was surprised Kelly turned down the penalty. The way scUM was picking up some big chunks I thought BK should have accepted it.

I feel sorry for Purdue...........................no not really.
 

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Doesn't matter if you play away or home. This kid is gonna surprise you all. A stiff non mobile qb who either cant move or is afraid to move is gonna allow teams to t off on us. todays Qb has got to be mobile or he is gonna A) get himself hurt or B) kill the offense. Until we stick with one running \back and run him until the wheels come off are offense is in trouble. At least having a mobile QB gives us a chance.

410 yards of offense is very respectable. Rees threw for 300+ yards. Having Bernie Kosar, Jr.(Rees) back there sure as hell hasn't "killed the offense".
 

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410 yards of offense is very respectable. Rees threw for 300+ yards. Having Bernie Kosar, Jr.(Rees) back there sure as hell hasn't "killed the offense".

This. Make no mistake...defense lost that game.
 

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Doesn't matter if you play away or home. This kid is gonna surprise you all. A stiff non mobile qb who either cant move or is afraid to move is gonna allow teams to t off on us. todays Qb has got to be mobile or he is gonna A) get himself hurt or B) kill the offense. Until we stick with one running \back and run him until the wheels come off are offense is in trouble. At least having a mobile QB gives us a chance.

What you just said - YouTube
 

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So it was said that Bryant wasn't happy after not getting in the Temple game till late. JoJoBlack, are you in some way connected to Zaire and are expressing that he is feeling the same? You seem to be making a hard push for an untested, inexperienced, freshman QB to have started (or played at some point) in the largest CFB stadium in the country. During a night game. In what was probably one of the most hostile environments our current players have played in. While I have full confidence and belief in Zaire.......................I'm sure that woulda went well. Lol. Plus I doubt he coulda kept contain any better on Gardner, or forced him into earlier and questionable throws, considering he wouldn't be on the field at the same time. And not to mention to replace a Senior QB, who is very QB smart and comes from the family of a QB coach. But then again, I could be wrong.

Wait, no I'm not. That suggestion is ridiculous. Hendrix, or even Massa, woulda been a smarter choice.
 
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So it was said that Bryant wasn't happy after not getting in the Temple game till late. JoJoBlack, are you in some way connected to Zaire and are expressing that he is feeling the same? You seem to be making a hard push for an untested, inexperienced, freshman QB to have started (or played at some point) in the largest CFB stadium in the country. During a night game. In what was probably one of the most hostile environments our current players have played in. While I have full confidence and belief in Zaire.......................I'm sure that woulda went well. Lol. Plus I doubt he coulda kept contain any better on Gardner, or forced him into earlier and questionable throws, considering he wouldn't be on the field at the same time. And not to mention to replace a Senior QB, who is very QB smart and comes from the family of a QB coach. But then again, I could be wrong.

Wait, no I'm not. That suggestion is ridiculous. Hendrix, or even Massa, woulda been a smarter choice.

I'm not advocating it either, but I will say that some guys are just gamers. They thrive in huge pressure situations like that, while most fold. Rees is our QB, but I wouldn't mind taking my theory and applying it to some of our other players, like Bryant, Folston and Redfield. Let's see if they're gamers in high pressure situations, they wouldn't be the first. True freshman make impacts all over the country (Jaylon), I think some of these guys are being undersold because of the "inexperience card". Some guys are gamers.
 

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Doesn't matter if you play away or home. This kid is gonna surprise you all. A stiff non mobile qb who either cant move or is afraid to move is gonna allow teams to t off on us. todays Qb has got to be mobile or he is gonna A) get himself hurt or B) kill the offense. Until we stick with one running \back and run him until the wheels come off are offense is in trouble. At least having a mobile QB gives us a chance.

You are they guy that calls into morning sports radio shows and insists your team should start Seneca Wallace, arnt you?
 

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Doesn't matter if you play away or home. This kid is gonna surprise you all. A stiff non mobile qb who either cant move or is afraid to move is gonna allow teams to t off on us. todays Qb has got to be mobile or he is gonna A) get himself hurt or B) kill the offense. Until we stick with one running \back and run him until the wheels come off are offense is in trouble. At least having a mobile QB gives us a chance.

mojo, can you enlighten us on how mobile a QB is when he has mononucleosis?

It generally takes a few weeks for the virus to run its course. Then patients are prescribed a lot of rest for a month. After a month most can resume "normal" activities such as walking to class. They will still feel fatigue until they build up their stamina which can take some time.

Sports are hardly a normal activity. Football particularly as a DT QB obviously takes a high level of fitness and stamina. Two things mono patients lack.

Brian Kelly acknowledged to the media on 8/27 that Zaire had mono and was NOT medically cleared to play football. So we supposed to believe in a dozen days that he's in game ready condition? Ready to dodge or take hits from 320 pound DLs? Ready to use his mobility to evade 250 pound LBs or 180 pound DBs that run as fast or faster than he does? How many winds prints has he run in the past few weeks? Laps in the pool? Minutes on the exercise bike? How many passes has he thrown during that time for arm strength, accuracy, and timing with the receivers?

Watching game film or riding on the bus to the last game is good for the mind and spirit but doesn't rebuild stamina nor hone the finely tuned muscles that have lost tone through inactivity.

Do you really want one RB to be the Bell Cow? It won't be Carlisle. I think he's the best all-around RB now but his injury record doesn't demonstrate that he has the body to take that wear and tear. You put a plow on a race horse. GA has the body and speed but his hands betray him. Cam would have to the guy. The two freshman might fill the role around mid-season ala Julius Jones.
 
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Michigan is acting like a little brother. Putting up pictures like this, playing the chicken dance after the game at the stadium, etc. Little brother mentality. We are the biggest game on their schedule (just like everyone else).

1000000000000% false.
 

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mojo, can you enlighten us on how mobile a QB is when he has mononucleosis?

It generally takes a few weeks for the virus to run its course. Then patients are prescribed a lot of rest for a month. After a month most can resume "normal" activities such as walking to class. They will still feel fatigue until they build up their stamina which can take some time.

Sports are hardly a normal activity. Football particularly as a DT QB obviously takes a high level of fitness and stamina. Two things mono patients lack.

Brian Kelly acknowledged to the media on 8/27 that Zaire had mono and was NOT medically cleared to play football. So we supposed to believe in a dozen days that he's in game ready condition? Ready to dodge or take hits from 320 pound DLs? Ready to use his mobility to evade 250 pound LBs or 180 pound DBs that run as fast or faster than he does? How many winds prints has he run in the past few weeks? Laps in the pool? Minutes on the exercise bike? How many passes has he thrown during that time for arm strength, accuracy, and timing with the receivers?

Watching game film or riding on the bus to the last game is good for the mind and spirit but doesn't rebuild stamina nor hone the finely tuned muscles that have lost tone through inactivity.

Do you really want one RB to be the Bell Cow? It won't be Carlisle. I think he's the best all-around RB now but his injury record doesn't demonstrate that he has the body to take that wear and tear. You put a plow on a race horse. GA has the body and speed but his hands betray him. Cam would have to the guy. The two freshman might fill the role around mid-season ala Julius Jones.

On top of the fatigue, active mono infections cause spleen enlargement. One hit to the side and it ruptures and requires emergency surgery. This is why mono in football players is approached so cautiously.
 

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I'm not advocating it either, but I will say that some guys are just gamers. They thrive in huge pressure situations like that, while most fold. Rees is our QB, but I wouldn't mind taking my theory and applying it to some of our other players, like Bryant, Folston and Redfield. Let's see if they're gamers in high pressure situations, they wouldn't be the first. True freshman make impacts all over the country (Jaylon), I think some of these guys are being undersold because of the "inexperience card". Some guys are gamers.

I completely agree, for 'role' players like the one's you mentioned. I dont however agree we switch out Rees for a true freshman QB as he was suggesting. Especially under the circumstances I explained.
 

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So it was said that Bryant wasn't happy after not getting in the Temple game till late. JoJoBlack, are you in some way connected to Zaire and are expressing that he is feeling the same? You seem to be making a hard push for an untested, inexperienced, freshman QB to have started (or played at some point) in the largest CFB stadium in the country. During a night game. In what was probably one of the most hostile environments our current players have played in. While I have full confidence and belief in Zaire.......................I'm sure that woulda went well. Lol. Plus I doubt he coulda kept contain any better on Gardner, or forced him into earlier and questionable throws, considering he wouldn't be on the field at the same time. And not to mention to replace a Senior QB, who is very QB smart and comes from the family of a QB coach. But then again, I could be wrong.

Wait, no I'm not. That suggestion is ridiculous. Hendrix, or even Massa, woulda been a smarter choice.



I cannot confirm this with 100% certainty, but I believe jojo's writing style matches the writing style of MZ's uncle who was on an Ohio HS forum while MZ was in HS. He was pretty outlandish and over the top there also.

From what I saw of MZ in HS, he would not be the type to show/discuss frustration of not playing. He would just work harder and wait for his opportunity.

By the way, was he even on the active list for Saturday's game? I thought he had mono.
 

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JOJO- Zaire isnt close to being ready to play and thats supposed to be the case for a freshman QB. When he was healthy he wasn't getting reps yet. Add in the fact he got mono, where are the reps coming from to say he is even in game shape let alone managing an offense. Rees played his tail off Saturday night. Turnovers are going to happen...EVERY TEAM has them. Its incredible! Bama, Oregon, osu, Texas AM, everyone has turnovers. Its part of the game. If you think the reason ND lost was Rees my man, get a life. We all want to see Zaire develop, but right now theres not one reason to play him unless Rees/Hendrix both get hurt.
 
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