'10 IL QB Tommy Rees (Notre Dame Man)

[Whiskeyjack]

I probably shouldnt say this (not because people will get upset but because it is not an option) but Golson could have played better. That sack was ugly. The guy who I watched the game with said, " I have MS and I could have moved faster."

Lombard got beaten badly. Maybe Golson extends the play instead of taking a sack, but based on what we saw from him last year, he wouldn't have been as accurate on the long balls, and he wouldn't have been making the right pre-snap adjustments.

Also, an incompletion was thrown either to Robinson or Niklas was so poorly thrown that neither I nor the announcer knew who he threw the ball to on the pass.

Niklas was the target. He got jammed and broke off his route. Mayock blamed him, not Tommy.

Rees looked good, but the numbers do not tell entire story especially on quick catch and run throws against Temple.

What about the three TD passes? Those were all long throws, which Rees made beautifully.

One could argue that the incompletions to Daniels (where he pulled his groin) and to Niklas weren't his fault. Take those out, and he threw 16/21 (76%). Hell, if Daniels doesn't pull up short, that's probably a 4th TD and another ~40 yards. Not sure how you can argue that his numbers were deceiving.

 

[wizards8507]

LOL, and I'm the retard...

I'm not nine years old. I don't call people "retard."

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

But that doesn't count, Panda, because (1) it was against Temple; and (2) no objective observer could possibly believe that throwing 16/23 for 350 yards and 3 TDs and 0 INTs is a good performance. Nevermind that every single one of those QBs (except for Winston) played a team similar to, or significantly worse than, Temple. And even

Did Boyd play better than Rees? Why isnt Boyd on the list? Numbers aren't objective. They don't take into account great play by receivers or poor play by defenses.

 

[ulukinatme]

I never once said he wasnt the best QB we had, in fact I actually said he was and is clearly the best opportunity we have to win. But I think its completly false to say this kid was the 6th best QB in the country after a game in which we saw nothing athletically different than any other year. He is still a liability that can make some great calls pre-snap and put us in positions to win against some decent competition. Against top 10 level talent he is in trouble.

I didn't say that either...I was saying look at the QB competition we face. Outside of maybe Hogan, who is still young and will probably make some mistakes, I don't think theres going to be any QBs we face that are better than Tommy. He may not be the 6th best QB in reality, but I'm feeling pretty confidant he'll be in the Top 25 when all is said and done, as oppose to middle of the pack or worse.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Who was that back shoulder throw to that Tommy made? I think it was Daniels or TJ up the left side. Anyway, was a great throw by Tommy. Also his thread between the middle LB's in the first half, I think to TJ as well.

 

[ryno 24]

Kmoose I agree with you on pretty much everything. I miss everything Golson can and hopefully will do next year. It was only one sack which is great but it was Temple again. The Niklas pass makes more sense now. Rees also had some great passes like the two touchdowns to Daniels as well as the pass in which Daniels pulled up was a dime and should have been a touchdown. I dont know if he is as good as Krenzel, but Rees will lead us to an above average season.

 

[Cackalacky]

I agree with Kuehnja he did not make a single bad decision, I think (that one pass between Robinson and Niklas I cannot tell if that was just a bad pass or also a bad decision) he just cannot make all the throws or move five feet.

I have read it was for Niklas and he got re-routed so it was probably Niklas was not where he should have been.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Did Boyd play better than Rees?

What does that mean? It's a team sport, and they're completely different types of athlete. Boyd's 18/30 for 270 yards and 3 TDs/ 0 INTs (+2 TDs rushing) against UGA is obviously more impressive. But for a game manager, Rees played as well as possible. Why not compare him to AJ McCarron? I'd say Tommy played better, against a better team, than McCarron's 10/23 for 110 yards and 1 TD/ 1 INT. And McCarron's got 3 rings.

Numbers aren't objective.

They are objective, but they need to be put in the right context. Comparing Rees to Manziel, Boyd and Bridgewater isn't a very fair comparison.

 

[PANDFAN]

 

[kmoose]

While I agree with almost everything in this post the bold part is pretty huge deal. He did miss a few very easy throws that stalled drives. Against better competition that will come back and bite you. I was very encouraged by his performance and saturday will be a great measuring stick for the rest of the season but if we want to get to a BCS bowl that can't happen.

It was also the first game of the season. It's not unusual for even the best quarterbacks to sail a few balls high or wide, in the first game. But Rees will definitely have to play better against Michigan. Especially if the defense that we saw Saturday is what we get.

 

[koonja]

It was also the first game of the season. It's not unusual for even the best quarterbacks to sail a few balls high or wide, in the first game. But Rees will definitely have to play better against Michigan. Especially if the defense that we saw Saturday is what we get.

Personally, I'll **** rainbows if he plays as good as he did against Temple, and makes every read. If he does that, we're 2-0, guaranteed.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

I disagree. You're confrontational tone took this sideways. You aren't the first person to talk badly about Rees and its not like everyone else gets crucified. Why would kmoose and Whiskey single you out in particular? You barely post here, so it's not like they have some vendetta going for you.

Furthermore, they have provided stats and reasoning behind their thoughts. You haven't provided anything but screaming WITH ALL CAPS about how you "have a right to your opinion". You don't even address the points they are making.

You must have a case of selective reading because by all accounts you are wrong.

Who cares how much I post? I am on the site daily and have been for 4 years and know all of the regular posters. I work 70 hrs a week and don't have the time to engage in a conversation where you constantly have to argue a point or get thrown to the wolves.

I find it funny that its always the same characters in EVERY single one of this conflicts too. This isn't a forum, its a place where if you disagree with the masses, you get crucified and if you dont have the time to fight back, you get black labeled.

I do not agree with anybody saying that Tommy is the 6th best QB in the nation. I do not think Tommy played a near perfect game. I love Notre Dame just as much as any poster on this damn site but I can also see where our struggles are going to be. The same people on here bitching at me were saying the same sh!t two years ago too when we all thought Dayne got benched to quickly. If you don't agree, then don't F*%king agree, but don't call my opinion retarded, lazy, or uminformed because you dont agree with it.

 

[ulukinatme]

You must have a case of selective reading because by all accounts you are wrong.

Who cares how much I post? I am on the site daily and have been for 4 years and know all of the regular posters. I work 70 hrs a week and don't have the time to engage in a conversation where you constantly have to argue a point or get thrown to the wolves.

I find it funny that its always the same characters in EVERY single one of this conflicts too. This isn't a forum, its a place where if you disagree with the masses, you get crucified and if you dont have the time to fight back, you get black labeled.

I do not agree with anybody saying that Tommy is the 6th best QB in the nation. I do not think Tommy played a near perfect game. I love Notre Dame just as much as any poster on this damn site but I can also see where our struggles are going to be. The same people on here bitching at me were saying the same sh!t two years ago too when we all thought Dayne got benched to quickly. If you don't agree, then don't F*%king agree, but don't call my opinion retarded, lazy, or uminformed because you dont agree with it.

Believe in Reesus with all your heart, and you shall see the kingdom of the BCS

 

[kmoose]

Personally, I'll **** rainbows if he plays as good as he did against Temple, and makes every read. If he does that, we're 2-0, guaranteed.

After a couple of minutes to think about it, he may not have to. If the Defense can keep Michigan out of the end zone, then hopefully ND can just keep pounding the run down their throats. But if the D lets us fall too far behind, then we will have to depend on Rees' arm.

 

[ryno 24]

I can almost guarantee Michigan will put 8 to nine in the box against us until we beat them, and if they ever get a lead they will drop 8 and see if he has learned. I really miss Golson.

 

[ND NYC]

looked very good...and only used about 20% of the playbook.
a good tune up for the team to work out the kinks...im sure tommy has had mich in big house circled for some time. he needs/wants redemption for last time he was up there...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I find it funny that its always the same characters in EVERY single one of this conflicts too. This isn't a forum, its a place where if you disagree with the masses, you get crucified and if you dont have the time to fight back, you get black labeled.

If that's how you feel, you should probably find another message board.

I do not agree with anybody saying that Tommy is the 6th best QB in the nation.

No one has made that argument. But having the 6th highest QBR in the nation after the Temple game is at least prima facie evidence that he's good enough to get the job done.

I do not think Tommy played a near perfect game.

This is where you should provide some statistical support for your claim. Because the stats say otherwise.

If you don't agree, then don't F*%king agree, but don't call my opinion retarded, lazy, or uminformed because you dont agree with it.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. That's why I called your opinion lazy and uninformed; not because I simply disagree with it.

 

[woolybug25]

You must have a case of selective reading because by all accounts you are wrong.

Who cares how much I post? I am on the site daily and have been for 4 years and know all of the regular posters. I work 70 hrs a week and don't have the time to engage in a conversation where you constantly have to argue a point or get thrown to the wolves.

I find it funny that its always the same characters in EVERY single one of this conflicts too. This isn't a forum, its a place where if you disagree with the masses, you get crucified and if you dont have the time to fight back, you get black labeled.

I do not agree with anybody saying that Tommy is the 6th best QB in the nation. I do not think Tommy played a near perfect game. I love Notre Dame just as much as any poster on this damn site but I can also see where our struggles are going to be. The same people on here bitching at me were saying the same sh!t two years ago too when we all thought Dayne got benched to quickly. If you don't agree, then don't F*%king agree, but don't call my opinion retarded, lazy, or uminformed because you dont agree with it.

So... you are just gonna continue with angry posts with zero facts then. Cool.

But yes... it's everyone else's fault.

 

[ulukinatme]

I can almost guarantee Michigan will put 8 to nine in the box against us until we beat them, and if they ever get a lead they will drop 8 and see if he has learned. I really miss Golson.

The only thing you really miss with Golson is the ability to take off when a play breaks down. Golson didn't play well against Michigan last year and got pulled. We played conservatively, leaning on the defense, and Tommy ended up playing well to get us the victory. Trust in Reesus.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I can almost guarantee Michigan will put 8 to nine in the box against us until we beat them, and if they ever get a lead they will drop 8 and see if he has learned.

That's gonna leave their DBs in man coverage against our WRs. I'll take that all day long.

I really miss Golson.

Rees registered the 6th highest QBR in the nation against Temple, and you already miss Golson? It's almost like you're operating under some irrational biases here. Almost.

 

[woolybug25]

Why do we have two seperate threads on Tommy right now?

 

[ulukinatme]

If the Tommy negativity continues from certain posters, I'll be forced to throw out heresy charges. Thou shalt not speak blasphemies against Reesus.

 

[kmoose]

If you don't agree, then don't F*%king agree, but don't call my opinion retarded, lazy, or uminformed because you dont agree with it.

No one is calling your opinion retarded, lazy, or uninformed, because we don't agree with it. We're calling your opinion(which, by the way, you didn't initially present as an opinion, but as fact) retarded, lazy, and uninformed because that's what it is. Are you still going to stick by your statement that Rees' first TD pass to Daniels was a duck that the DB could easily have intercepted?

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

There is no way to objectively define what is a "near perfect game." I think that's where this thread is getting caught up.

Who cares what "near perfect" means.

I also agree that you can't simply compare Tommy with Bridgewater, Boyd, etc. after a week one performance. It's almost apples to oranges at this point, seeing as how they all played well against different competition.

 

[ulukinatme]

Why do we have two seperate threads on Tommy right now?

We should start a Tommy for Heisman thread too

 

[Cackalacky]

I can almost guarantee Michigan will put 8 to nine in the box against us until we beat them, and if they ever get a lead they will drop 8 and see if he has learned. I really miss Golson.

What's more likely is they will play 8-9 in coverage. In most games Tommy struggled, he had to deal with 8-9 in coverage. We have to find a way to beat that.

 

[IrishEyesAreSmiling]

Reesus is going to win this game for us just have a feeling late TD pass

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Why do we have two seperate threads on Tommy right now?

Good point. Merge incoming.

What's more likely is they will play 8-9 in coverage. In most games Tommy struggled, he had to deal with 8-9 in coverage. We have to find a way to beat that.

No secret to that. Tommy needs: (1) stay out of 3rd and long; (2) recognize it pre-snap and audible into a run; and/or (3) scramble for 3-5 yards.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

If that's how you feel, you should probably find another message board.

A mod telling a poster to find another board, priceless

No one has made that argument. But having the 6th highest QBR in the nation after the Temple game is at least prima facie evidence that he's good enough to get the job done

If you actually read my posts, I said he is servicable and the best we have. His inability to take us to the NCG was my statement

This is where you should provide some statistical support for this claim. Because the stats say otherwise..

I don't need numerical stats to form an opinion based on what I saw with my own two eyes. I played football at a D1 level and played with and against some great and terrible players and feel confident enough to form my OWN OPINION based on my OWN EXPERIENCES.

If the stats say otherwise, then wouldn't he actually be the 6th best QB in the nation?!? or do you only support numbers when you want to? I am pretty sure you just said

No one has made that argument...

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. That's why I called your opinion lazy and uninformed; not because I simply disagree with it.

Opinions are opinions exactly for that reason, opinions aren't FACTS. I know you obvioulsy think your opinion is fact, but its really just another opinion on an internet forum.

 

[PANDFAN]

I can almost guarantee Michigan will put 8 to nine in the box against us until we beat them, and if they ever get a lead they will drop 8 and see if he has learned. I really miss Golson.

that would be the exact opposite of what teams have done to stifle Reesus...Temple several times dropped 8 in coverage and Tommy gun hit his wr's....he has to buy just enough time to get the wr's behind the zone coverage...something even Mayock mentioned that Tommy didn't do in the past but did against Temple...

Reesus has risen!!!!