Father beats daughter's rapist to death, won't be charged

[ACamp1900]

I'd like to see stats on the amount of rapes that turn deadly...

I'm much more interested in making sure the girl's life is not taken needlessly than the D-Bag who decided to rape her... just me.

 

[clashmore_jon]

That can be flipped into "Next time some kid won't get needlessly raped," due to rapist being beaten to death. But that's not really how it works. I also don't think it's relevant here because I don't think the guy's intent was killing. His intent was stopping the rape with probably a bunch of rage thrown in. But most people think like you are thinking in terms of it taking a lot to beat someone to death. If he wanted to kill the rapist he probably would have done something else.

really what is getting my goat is the things people have been saying in the comments here. I think they are vile and make us as a community look terrible.

I said in my first post (or very early on at least) that i can totally understand that the dad killed the guy. yeah, i get that. i understand the multifaceted ball of rage and bloodlust that came over this guy in the matter of about one second i'm sure. I'm not arguing that any father should just stand there and let it happen, I just think that there should be some legal repercussions, most especially if he could have subdued the guy in a non-lethal manner.

But people here seem to think that going overboard and, for instance, torturing this person to death is an appropriate response. Not only that, but they are celebrating each other for coming up with interesting ways to go about it. gimme a break guys.

anyway, i'm done here. i'm gonna go back to football.

edit: one last thing, thanks for all of the personal insults. It's like the Eric Cartman/elementary school debate method.

 

[bigedefense]

You've thought this out a little too much...

HAHAHA! It was all I could think about after I read the article. I have lost a daughter and things like this strike a deep nerve.

I was only half joking though...Well, maybe not half....

 

[woolybug25]

Yeah, because in most cases you really have to do some nasty **** to kill someone barehanded. Sure there are exceptions, but the guy was most likely on top of this dude just swinging away out of anger.

So we are incapable of thought, but you are fine with making broad generalizations on how the fight unfolded? For all we know, it was one well placed punch to the temple that did the guy in, you don't know either way.

Worse yet, we have people on this thread sitting in front of their computers saying that they would torture or kill this guy intentionally in every case. We've even got one guy asking another guy if he'll come around and torture some kid his daughter goes to school with. So yeah, i really don't think that sort of stuff belongs on a ND football board. Michigan fans will be rolling on the floor if they read this thread.

I think they would be rolling over your responses, not ours. This was posted in the part of our forum specifically designed for off topic discussion, so it is in fact, exactly where it belongs.

absolutely, particularly if he like curbstomped the guy or pinned him down and just kept throwing punch after punch after punch or something. There is a point when the guy is no longer a threat, and at that point the beating needs to stop. Like i said before though, he could probably get off for temporary insanity or something, but i think he should go downtown. Then next time maybe a person won't needlessly be beaten to death.

Again, you don't know that he didn't do just that. He called the police and told them to hurry because of his condition. So evidence would support that his intent was not to kill the man. As was posted before, he had the legal right to beat the man, as he was attacking his daughter. There was no legal assault to arrest him for.

in anticipation of the "he's a rapist he needs to die" replies, i'd like to point out that in most cases (in the US at least) rape is not punishable by death. also i think it ironic that many of you are anti abortionists that talk much about sanctity of live, but when it becomes inconvenient for you you'll flip flop and become pro-beating people to death.

I'm pro-choice and have no problem with this man doing what he did. I'm not even saying that the guy should be executed by a court. I'm just telling you that if a man dies from a beating he received by the father of the 5 year old girl he was raping, then good riddance.

 

[Irish4Life09]

Yeah, because in most cases you really have to do some nasty **** to kill someone barehanded. Sure there are exceptions, but the guy was most likely on top of this dude just swinging away out of anger.

Worse yet, we have people on this thread sitting in front of their computers saying that they would torture or kill this guy intentionally in every case. We've even got one guy asking another guy if he'll come around and torture some kid his daughter goes to school with. So yeah, i really don't think that sort of stuff belongs on a ND football board. Michigan fans will be rolling on the floor if they read this thread.



absolutely, particularly if he like curbstomped the guy or pinned him down and just kept throwing punch after punch after punch or something. There is a point when the guy is no longer a threat, and at that point the beating needs to stop. Like i said before though, he could probably get off for temporary insanity or something, but i think he should go downtown. Then next time maybe a person won't needlessly be beaten to death.

in anticipation of the "he's a rapist he needs to die" replies, i'd like to point out that in most cases (in the US at least) rape is not punishable by death. also i think it ironic that many of you are anti abortionists that talk much about sanctity of live, but when it becomes inconvenient for you you'll flip flop and become pro-beating people to death.

Dude, there is a big difference in the sanctity of life for an unborn child, and a rapist pedophile. Sorry your argument is invalid. I am sick to death of apologists like yourself that try to condemn others for doing the right thing, and then think they should be punished for protecting their own children. I pray to God that you never have kids.

 

[bigedefense]

My daughter(Freshman in HS) has a son of a convicted sex offender stalking her. Can I hire you?

HAHAHA! Free consults and assistance if you get him down to Mississippi.

 

[irishpat183]

Dude, there is a big difference in the sanctity of life for an unborn child, and a rapist pedophile. Sorry your argument is invalid. I am sick to death of apologists like yourself that try to condemn others for doing the right thing, and then think they should be punished for protecting their own children. I pray to God that you never have kids.

Yep.


Again, when you have kids, especially a little girl, you will understand.

 

[bigedefense]

So you think that the rapeist deserves a shot at justice. And that even if the five year old girl he's molesting dies he deserves a chance to weasel his way into life in prison? Where we can all pay for him to live out the rest of his pathetic life?



Based on this thread you sound like a certified pussy.

GATT, you could be an FBI profiler! I think you nailed jon perfectly! I would rep you, but I have used mine up for the day.

 

[bigedefense]

FIFY

Ok, off topic, but what is FIFY?

 

[ACamp1900]

Fixed it for you

 

[bigedefense]

I didn't call him a pedophile, for the record.


If hes not willing to protect his child at all costs, and kill a man that is RAPING HIS 5 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER. AGAIN, RAPING HIS 5 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER....


Then I hope he chooses never to have kids. God forbid my child has to grow up knowing daddy was too big a pussy to protect me and kill the POS that was RAPING ME AT 5 YEARS OLD.


Other than that...I wish nothing but the best for Jon.

Pat, I am with you 1,000%!

 

[bigedefense]

i never said that i'm going to let the situation go on. i think it would be pretty appropriate to club the guy with whatever object was readily available. but to beat him to death or "end" him as you so casually put it is excessive.

i am sticking to apples to apples. we are both describing a scenario in which something has happened in one person's life (drug addiction in mine and having a daughter in yours) that changes his perspective and makes him feel justified in his actions (mugging people in mine or using excessive force to brutally kill someone in yours). Granted i used a little hyperbole to get my point across, but the logic is nearly identical. and flawed.

Umm, if you "club" him with a bat because your 5 year old plays tee ball and her bat was beside the bed (its readily available). 1 good wack and ole pedo is dead. So, basically you are agreeing with the majority, but won't just come out and say it.

 

[bigedefense]

Fixed it for you

thanks

 

[koonja]

How does a thread go full retard without me posting in it? Geez, guys.

That article gave us no information, so I'm going to entertain two separate hypotheticals. *Disclaimer, I do NOT have children. I'm not a dummy, I cum on the tummy*.

1) Father finds them in the act (honestly it just sounds sick to type). Immediately grabs the guy and starts beating him to death, without stopping (AKA no break in action). The father stops once he sees the man motionless, calls the police.

In this circumstance, I think the Father acted completely appropriately, and he was within the letter of the law, and the courts decided correctly. Nothing to really debate here IMO.

2) Father walks into the situation, removes the two, and while the daughter is now SAFE and out of harms way (aka, not 'defense' or anything like that at this point), begins to beat the man to death.

In this situation I do not fault the Father, but it's very questionable if this is within the letter of the law. If you're breaking up the act and your actions in doing so cause the harm, it's clear IMO there's no fault on the father. But if the daughter is 'safe' and instead of just calling the police the father decides to take the opportunity to bash the guys brains in, then it's probably not within in the law. Again, not saying I fault the father for doing this, but that's a very slippery slope to go down.

 

[Irish#1]

ummm. so murder is ok on this board or what? that's what the guy did. He got pissed off an MURDERED someone. and no i don't believve it was self defense, as the guy wasnt posing a threat of killing them.

i know you're all gonna say 'oh yeah yeah i'd do this if it were my daughter'. and i totally get that. but if you do it, you deserve to go to jail.

Funny, but whenever my wife and I hear about how some sicko killed or raped a child, we both have said that if that ever happened to one of our grand-kids, one of us would be visiting the other in jail and that would be fine with us.

 

[irishpat183]

How does a thread go full retard without me posting in it? Geez, guys.

That article gave us no information, so I'm going to entertain two separate hypotheticals. *Disclaimer, I do NOT have children. I'm not a dummy, I cum on the tummy*.

1) Father finds them in the act (honestly it just sounds sick to type). Immediately grabs the guy and starts beating him to death, without stopping (AKA no break in action). The father stops once he sees the man motionless, calls the police.
In this circumstance, I think the Father acted completely appropriately, and he was within the letter of the law, and the courts decided correctly. Nothing to really debate here IMO.

2) Father walks into the situation, removes the two, and while the daughter is now SAFE and out of harms way (aka, not 'defense' or anything like that at this point), begins to beat the man to death.

In this situation I do not fault the Father, but it's very questionable if this is within the letter of the law. If you're breaking up the act and your actions in doing so cause the harm, it's clear IMO there's no fault on the father. But if the daughter is 'safe' and instead of just calling the police the father decides to take the opportunity to bash the guys brains in, then it's probably not within in the law. Again, not saying I fault the father for doing this, but that's a very slippery slope to go down.

That's what happened. It was at a family members birthday party and that sick **** led the little girl into a nearby barn...Dad couldn't find her and went looking and caught them.


It was all over the news down here.

 

[autry_denson]

Unless there's some hint of possibility that what went down was different from what it appears happened, I have no problem with what this guy did and no problem with him not being charged.

That said, I think some of the stuff that's been written in this thread and directed toward clashmore_jon is pretty f'ed up. In non-football related manners this board is trending toward the absolute lowest common denominator.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Let's not forget the deterrent aspect of letting the dad go.

I see first hand all the ways that crime is prevented because criminals think a crazy *** Texan might shoot them and get away with it.

Those signs that say "I don't call 911"? They work...

 

[ulukinatme]

The guy called 911 once he dealt with the situation. If you choose to defile an innocent 5 year old child, you open yourself up to punishment by the law or by the family of the child if they get to you first. Some things are completely, and utterly reprehensible. Murder is one of those things, but I don't see it that this father murdered the sicko. Murder is defined as such:

The unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this premeditated state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide

The *******'s death was not premeditated whatsoever. He walks in on the act, he steps in to defend his child. He had no malice to the man prior to the act, I see it as self defense.

How would you react if it was your child? What punishment would be fitting for the prick that ruined an innocent child? She may never be right after this. How can you be sure the justice system would carry out a fair sentence, or any sentence?

This one hits a little close to home. My niece by marriage was sexually assaulted by her own father, and because his parents had the cash to hire a good lawyer they couldn't convict him. She was just as old, 5 years old, and they put her on the stand to try and get a conviction. As if what she went through wasn't bad enough, she had to testify against her own father. This world is ****ed up.

 

[PANDFAN]

The guy called 911 once he dealt with the situation. If you choose to defile an innocent 5 year old child, you open yourself up to punishment by the law or by the family of the child if they get to you first. Some things are completely, and utterly reprehensible. Murder is one of those things, but I don't see it that this father murdered the sicko. Murder is defined as such:


The *******'s death was not premeditated whatsoever. He walks in on the act, he steps in to defend his child. He had no malice to the man prior to the act, I see it as self defense.

How would you react if it was your child? What punishment would be fitting for the prick that ruined an innocent child? She may never be right after this. How can you be sure the justice system would carry out a fair sentence, or any sentence?

echos my thoughts exactly...although i am not sure i would have called the cops so fast

 

[ulukinatme]

But I don't agree with anyone neg repping you either. That shouldn't be done simply because someone doesnnt5 share your point of view.

Why the hell would we have neg repping then? If you can't do it because you don't share someone's point of view, theres absolutely no point in having it. I mean, it's a figurative slap on an internet message board, who really cares if they get negged or not? If this wasn't a time to use it, when is it appropriate to give someone a neg when you don't agree with them?

 

[ulukinatme]

Heres something to consider...

If this girl was 18 and killed the man in self defense herself, would there be any discussion? Why is it different that the father stepped in to protect a 5 year old that couldn't defend herself?

 

[PANDFAN]

Heres something to consider...

If this girl was 18 and killed the man in self defense herself, would there be any discussion? Why is it different that the father stepped in to protect a 5 year old that couldn't defend herself?

this is EXACTLY what a parent is supposed to do! protect their child!!! he also protected how many other children too?

 

[WaveDomer]

This case was from the '80's. It's an interesting compare.

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[ulukinatme]

what happened to clashmore_jon? He left me a neg rep, said I was a disgrace to the fan base. I can't reply to him or leave a wall post. Is this what happens when someone puts you on ignore? I think he also got pissed because I stole rep from him. I think I spent 30,000 cash to steal 5 rep...

 

[BGIF]

what happened to clashmore_jon? He left me a neg rep, said I was a disgrace to the fan base. I can't reply to him or leave a wall post. Is this what happens when someone puts you on ignore? I think he also got pissed because I stole rep from him. I think I spent 30,000 cash to steal 5 rep...

I believe it's how he set up Messaging & Notifications in his user control panel.

 

[GATTACA!]

really what is getting my goat is the things people have been saying in the comments here. I think they are vile and make us as a community look terrible.

I said in my first post (or very early on at least) that i can totally understand that the dad killed the guy. yeah, i get that. i understand the multifaceted ball of rage and bloodlust that came over this guy in the matter of about one second i'm sure. I'm not arguing that any father should just stand there and let it happen, I just think that there should be some legal repercussions, most especially if he could have subdued the guy in a non-lethal manner.

But people here seem to think that going overboard and, for instance, torturing this person to death is an appropriate response. Not only that, but they are celebrating each other for coming up with interesting ways to go about it. gimme a break guys.

anyway, i'm done here. i'm gonna go back to football.

edit: one last thing, thanks for all of the personal insults. It's like the Eric Cartman/elementary school debate method.

HOW IS THIS GUYS REP STILL GREEN??

GATT, you could be an FBI profiler! I think you nailed jon perfectly! I would rep you, but I have used mine up for the day.

Kinda like that lol

 

[pumpdog20]

really what is getting my goat is the things people have been saying in the comments here. I think they are vile and make us as a community look terrible.

I said in my first post (or very early on at least) that i can totally understand that the dad killed the guy. yeah, i get that. i understand the multifaceted ball of rage and bloodlust that came over this guy in the matter of about one second i'm sure. I'm not arguing that any father should just stand there and let it happen, I just think that there should be some legal repercussions, most especially if he could have subdued the guy in a non-lethal manner.

But people here seem to think that going overboard and, for instance, torturing this person to death is an appropriate response. Not only that, but they are celebrating each other for coming up with interesting ways to go about it. gimme a break guys.

anyway, i'm done here. i'm gonna go back to football.

edit: one last thing, thanks for all of the personal insults. It's like the Eric Cartman/elementary school debate method.

Saying you understand the dad's rage, then saying he deserves jail time, makes no sense.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

A buddies dad told me about a similar case in the 80's. Guy hears that his father in law molested his young daughter. Drives over to his house and beats him to death. He was charged with manslaughter. Everyone at work including my buddies dad pitched in with lawyer fees. Dude got off. Always thought that was awesome! One a side note my wife's family puts people in the ground for a living. Never would have found the body. Just saying!

 

[South Jersey Domer]

Finally some common sense where the violator gets what is coming to them and the daughter gets justice.