'14 CO ATH Nathan Starks (UCLA Verbal)

[irishroo]

And I have about a million other examples of guys being total failures for simply "picking up drugs" for their buddies. Those far outweigh the guys that you mention.

The **** you guys are mentioning only happens in the movies, fellas.

I guess my life is a movie then. This sh*t happens all the time, and I could give you probly 20 examples from my own life of kids doing exactly what we're saying kids do (outgrow it and go on to be successful), whereas I can think of one that went the other way. You're out of touch with youth culture if you really think good, smart kids don't experiment with drugs and then realize its not worth it before the police or other authorities get to them.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Guys guys guys. I wasn't even insinuating that he was a "rich school drug supplier," all you have to do to be labeled a drug dealer by the government is carry more than a certain amount. The quantity automatically makes you a drug dealer.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

I don't always agree with Buster; but when I do it is usually because he is disagreeing with IrishPat


But as Buster said, it is not proven why he was dismissed.
This is an awesome thread; from socks and crocs - to - in depth Molly discussions - to - definitions of drug dealers.


But my favorite part is the hilarity of a mod not wanting to post 'the rumor'; giving in after members pushed and promised to treat is for what it was; then an hour later, the rumor becomes gospel.

Great stuff guys.

 

[ShakeDown]

Drugs are bad... Mkay.

 

[nsisk157]

http:// http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/clip_collections/back_to_school/0204_1_DI.jpg

 

[NDhoosier]

I agree with irishpat, a lot of people who have no idea about drugs and the selling of drugs are talking a lot of garbage right now. Grand Jury doesnt really qualify you in the department either. But alas, it doesnt really matter, I hope ND lets this kid go.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm fine with whatever the coaches decide. After all, pretty sure they know a lot more about the "situation" than all of us.

glass houses....

 

[Buster Bluth]

I agree with irishpat, a lot of people who have no idea about drugs and the selling of drugs are talking a lot of garbage right now. Grand Jury doesnt really qualify you in the department either. But alas, it doesnt really matter, I hope ND lets this kid go.

A myriad of life experiences mean more to me than your bullshit police propaganda.

 

[Kanye West]

Carl Sagan smoked a lot of weed, I'd say he was pretty successful and intellectual...

 

[BGIF]

The name Michael Floyd ring any bells? ND does hold its self to higher standard but lets be realistic as well, if the kid has his act together and never has any other problems then I could see ND still making a push. Kids make mistakes and the coaching staff knows that

I'm sure they do but this isn't OSU. NNeither the coaching staff nor the grand jury decides who gets into ND, ND Admissions does. A lesson Lou Holtz learned the hard way in '95.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I'm sure they do but this isn't OSU. NNeither the coaching staff nor the grand jury decides who gets into ND, ND Admissions does. A lesson Lou Holtz learned the hard way in '95.

True and I understand that, but lets be honest here. The coaching staff understands that ND is different and holds itself to a higher standard and rightfully so, but I still think they recruit kids who may be on the fringe when coming to ND admissions standards

 

[Irish2155]

I agree with irishpat, a lot of people who have no idea about drugs and the selling of drugs are talking a lot of garbage right now. Grand Jury doesnt really qualify you in the department either. But alas, it doesnt really matter, I hope ND lets this kid go.

We all know you're a cop. Stop telling us, please. Write a speeding ticket, someone just died downtown. pssst...

I think it is about the kid. Is he legit, what are the circumstances around the situation? Is he a punk, or made a bad decision? He got busted, right...does that make him a hood? Would he succeed at ND, on and off the field?

Would ND admissions let him in? We'll see. If not I can certainly understand. But if yes and he succeeds, awesome.

 

[BGIF]

True and I understand that, but lets be honest here. The coaching staff understands that ND is different and holds itself to a higher standard and rightfully so, but I still think they recruit kids who may be on the fringe when coming to ND admissions standards

I agree with recruiting kids on the fringe. ND coaches at least since Rockne have pushed the envelope. Rockne shattered it.

ND Admissions does admit kids on the fringe both academically and character wise.

In 1986 ND admitted 3 Prop 48 students. As I recall all graduated. A success story but one that UND has never repeated despite the hue and cry of fans and alumni to admit the latest GPA/Test Score/Core Course deficient Joey Football du jour to shake down the thunder.

Being "honest" here, the gum beating rhetoric of planners, lawyers, leos, and graduates of the school of hard knocks over pot, booze, or the photographic nuances of felonies and misdemeanors in their state isn't germaine to this young man's future at ND. Nor is what they do at Football U. relevant. It's all about what ND Admissions does.

As dwshade asked, and no one has yet responded, can you name an ND student (or graduate) that was expelled in H.S?


"Let's be honest here."

 

[SoIll]

I think some of you need to get off your high horse..If the staff wants Starks, then go get him. The kid made a mistake and if he truly has learned from it and wants to come to ND.. Who are any of you to say he's not superior enough to attend ND.

 

[AllGoldEverything]

I think some of you need to get off your high horse..If the staff wants Starks, then go get him. The kid made a mistake and if he truly has learned from it and wants to come to ND.. Who are any of you to say he's not superior enough to attend ND.

well said.

 

[jimmymac]

I think some of you need to get off your high horse..If the staff wants Starks, then go get him. The kid made a mistake and if he truly has learned from it and wants to come to ND.. Who are any of you to say he's not superior enough to attend ND.

Ummm... Me. I'm not on any "high horse"... but to think that a kid, who got EXPELLED from his school right before the start of his senior year, for selling drugs, has any chance of being accepted to ND is ridiculous. He had the golden opportunity right in front of him, and he blew it. Forget if the kid has learned BS and kids make mistakes crap... People often forget that we are talking about admitting him to one of the best Universities in the world, regardless of the football team. He brought this upon himself, and the administration will not, should not, and would be stupid for bringing in any individual to the school with his record regardless of their abilities.

 

[SoIll]

Ummm... Me. I'm not on any "high horse"... but to think that a kid, who got EXPELLED from his school right before the start of his senior year, for selling drugs, has any chance of being accepted to ND is ridiculous. He had the golden opportunity right in front of him, and he blew it. Forget if the kid has learned BS and kids make mistakes crap... People often forget that we are talking about admitting him to one of the best Universities in the world, regardless of the football team. He brought this upon himself, and the administration will not, should not, and would be stupid for bringing in any individual to the school with his record regardless of their abilities.

wasn't singling you out, hell I haven't seen a recent post from you on this thread, but you just made my last post relevant. Your last post is exactly what I was referring too..

 

[BGIF]

I think some of you need to get off your high horse..If the staff wants Starks, then go get him. The kid made a mistake and if he truly has learned from it and wants to come to ND.. Who are any of you to say he's not superior enough to attend ND.

well said.

So neither of you can you name an ND student (or graduate) that was expelled in H.S. either.

 

[LoveThee]

Notre Dame rejects kids with hundreds of hours of community service, high GPAs and test scores and are ideal candidates. ND is so high in demand among top level students it would almost be insulting to all the qualified applicants who are rejected as well as the students who attend/are accepted to admit a student with this on his record just because he can play football well.

Time and time again Notre Dame has proven to be an academic institution first. They won't sacrifice their ethics for the sake of the entire football program, let alone a single player at a position with plenty of depth.

I'm not demonizing Starks or accusing him of anything, I'm simply of the belief that his expulsion alone will "disqualify" him from gaining admission to ND

 

[Anchorman]

ND suspends kids regularly for a single joint. If you think they're going to take a flier on someone who was already caught dealing and expelled, you're out of your mind. Hell, they didn't let Yuri in because of Twitter. I agree with a lot of what Buster is saying, but ND plainly doesn't.

 

[Buster Bluth]

ND suspends kids regularly for a single joint. If you think they're going to take a flier on someone who was already caught dealing and expelled, you're out of your mind. Hell, they didn't let Yuri in because of Twitter. I agree with a lot of what Buster is saying, but ND plainly doesn't.

1) You don't know if he was caught dealing. You know nothing about the situation.

2) I've never stated that ND would or should admit him. I trust the opinion if Alford, Kelly, Swarbrick, and ND either way.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Notre Dame rejects kids with hundreds of hours of community service, high GPAs and test scores and are ideal candidates. ND is so high in demand among top level students it would almost be insulting to all the qualified applicants who are rejected as well as the students who attend/are accepted to admit a student with this on his record just because he can play football well.

Time and time again Notre Dame has proven to be an academic institution first. They won't sacrifice their ethics for the sake of the entire football program, let alone a single player at a position with plenty of depth.

I'm not demonizing Starks or accusing him of anything, I'm simply of the belief that his expulsion alone will "disqualify" him from gaining admission to ND

Which would fly in the face of the Catholic belief in forgiveness.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I agree with irishpat

Way to admit to being wrong

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Drug dealers stand on corners. Kids who give their friends drugs aren't drug dealers. Like usual Pat is clueless and Rhode and Buster are right. I don't know if this kid should be let in, but the talk about drug dealers is dumb as hell.

 

[LoveThee]

Which would fly in the face of the Catholic belief in forgiveness.

I agree that there is a difference between dealing drugs on a corner and kids buying drugs to share with friends.

From the University's standpoint though its probably more of a matter of covering their own @$$ and not taking a risk that he does deal drugs (like he is rumored to have, ie no proof of him actually doing so) and then having a messy situation in the media

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

People also talk like they know the intimate details of this kid's case and really we know none of it.

 

[Anchorman]

1) You don't know if he was caught dealing. You know nothing about the situation.

2) I've never stated that ND would or should admit him. I trust the opinion if Alford, Kelly, Swarbrick, and ND either way.

My bad, I thought the dealing was confirmed. if not, he clearly was expelled for something and it seems to be pretty accepted it had to do with drugs. If that's true, the rest of my post still applies. I can't see ND, who has a borderline batshit aversion to drugs compared to alcohol, etc., letting him in.

 

[Buster Bluth]

My bad, I thought the dealing was confirmed. if not, he clearly was expelled for something and it seems to be pretty accepted it had to do with drugs. If that's true, the rest of my post still applies. I can't see ND, who has a borderline batshit aversion to drugs compared to alcohol, etc., letting him in.

Well alcohol is a drug so....

 

[stlnd01]

Whatever your thoughts on "dealing" drugs to friends, Catholic forgiveness, or the feelings of countless deserving non-athletes who won't get into Notre Dame for the fall of 2014, this is the same school that just this spring kicked out two football players for, allegedly, smoking pot in the dorm. Those are kids who were already in, one a likely starter this fall, not recruits who hadn't even committed and whose slot on the football team has since been taken by a better prospect.
Mr. Starks, whatever he did, would appear to be a long shot at this point. But we'll see.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Whatever your thoughts on "dealing" drugs to friends, Catholic forgiveness, or the feelings of countless deserving non-athletes who won't get into Notre Dame for the fall of 2014, this is the same school that just this spring kicked out two football players for, allegedly, smoking pot in the dorm. Those are kids who were already in, one a likely starter this fall, not recruits who hadn't even committed and whose slot on the football team has since been taken by a better prospect.
Mr. Starks, whatever he did, would appear to be a long shot at this point. But we'll see.

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