'14 CA DL Matt Dickerson (UCLA Verbal)

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Love this pick up. I think it is the beginning of ND getting quality depth on the defensive line to compete with Bama

This is quality depth for '14, '15, and '16. (We gots quality depth now with Springman, Schwenke, and Jones. Then we have Rochelle. We can use Williams. Then we have Utupo, and it doesn't end there. Here is the whole thing just to see it all together. I don't think anyone in the country surpasses it.

95 Dickerson, Marquis Defensive Line 6-2/280
50 Hounshell, Chase Defensive Line 6-4.5/271
94 Jones, Jarron Defensive Line 6-5.5/305
86 Martinez, Arturo Defensive Line 6-4/254
89 Matuska, Jacob Defensive Line 6-4.5/275
1 Nix III, Louis Defensive Line 6-2.5/357
90 Rochell, Isaac Defensive Line 6-3.5/280
96 Schwenke, Kona Defensive Line 6-3.5/303
69 Springmann, Tony Defensive Line 6-5.5/296
92 Stockton, Tyler Defensive Line 5-11/284
7 Tuitt, Stephon Defensive Line 6-6.5/322
53 Utupo, Justin Defensive Line 6-.5/290
 
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ESPN Scroll is saying Dickerson is a four star...not that it matters because he's good and he's ours!

That's because ESPN ranks him as a 4-star. He's on the cusp of their ESPN300. If it were an ESPN350, he would probably be listed in the 335-350 range. Rivals also has him on the cusp of their Rivals250. He would probably make their Rivals300 if there was such a thing.

247 has him ranked the lowest (#66 DT) of all the services, which is really surprising. I usually find their rankings to be the most accurate. I'm hoping he's just flown under the radar since he didn't participate in the camp circuit this year or last.

Another thought that I don't think has been mentioned is Dickerson's ranking as a basketball player. I read somewhere yesterday that he was a top25 basketball recruit in the state of California. I just looked again and can't find it, but his ranking isn't really important. The point I was going to make is that he reminds me of DeShone Kizer in the sense that he hasn't focused 100% on football yet. He's also another example of the staff targeting "athletes", or guys that excel at more than one sport.

If we can land Holley, we'll have a bunch of power forwards playing on the DLine (Dickerson, Holley, Hayes). I like that a lot.
 

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This is quality depth for '14, '15, and '16. (We gots quality depth now with Springman, Schwenke, and Jones. Then we have Rochelle. We can use Williams. Then we have Utupo, and it doesn't end there. Here is the whole thing just to see it all together. I don't think anyone in the country surpasses it.

95 Dickerson, Marquis Defensive Line 6-2/280
50 Hounshell, Chase Defensive Line 6-4.5/271
94 Jones, Jarron Defensive Line 6-5.5/305
86 Martinez, Arturo Defensive Line 6-4/254
89 Matuska, Jacob Defensive Line 6-4.5/275
1 Nix III, Louis Defensive Line 6-2.5/357
90 Rochell, Isaac Defensive Line 6-3.5/280
96 Schwenke, Kona Defensive Line 6-3.5/303
69 Springmann, Tony Defensive Line 6-5.5/296
92 Stockton, Tyler Defensive Line 5-11/284
7 Tuitt, Stephon Defensive Line 6-6.5/322
53 Utupo, Justin Defensive Line 6-.5/290

I'm expecting big things out of Arturo Martinez this year.
 

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This is quality depth for '14, '15, and '16. (We gots quality depth now with Springman, Schwenke, and Jones. Then we have Rochelle. We can use Williams. Then we have Utupo, and it doesn't end there. Here is the whole thing just to see it all together. I don't think anyone in the country surpasses it.

95 Dickerson, Marquis Defensive Line 6-2/280
50 Hounshell, Chase Defensive Line 6-4.5/271
94 Jones, Jarron Defensive Line 6-5.5/305
86 Martinez, Arturo Defensive Line 6-4/254
89 Matuska, Jacob Defensive Line 6-4.5/275
1 Nix III, Louis Defensive Line 6-2.5/357
90 Rochell, Isaac Defensive Line 6-3.5/280
96 Schwenke, Kona Defensive Line 6-3.5/303
69 Springmann, Tony Defensive Line 6-5.5/296
92 Stockton, Tyler Defensive Line 5-11/284
7 Tuitt, Stephon Defensive Line 6-6.5/322
53 Utupo, Justin Defensive Line 6-.5/290

Future looks bright with that list and the incoming guys. And you even left out one of the starters in Day.
 
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Day, Sheldon Defensive Line 6-2/290 SO

How the hell'd that happen?
 

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Does Day have the heft to anchor our line? I was pretty surprised when we passed on Schutt for that very reason, but I'm no football genius.
 

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Ian Williams was our NG two years ago. Day is very similar size wise to him though Day is much quicker IMO. I think Day can be much better than him there.
 

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Incredible story. I hope he gets his Rudy moment this season, complete with players walking into BK's office with their jerseys before the BYU game.

That would be fitting. He also leads probably the world's greatest bible study group...

And why exactly did we pass on Schutt? seems a worse and worse decision every day
 

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That would be fitting. He also leads probably the world's greatest bible study group...

And why exactly did we pass on Schutt? seems a worse and worse decision every day

Why is it a bad decision? They didn't think he had the body type nor the work ethic to get his body in proper shape. Not only did ND say no to him, so did Michigan, PSU, and I believe Wisconsin.

And what did he do with OSU last year? Absolutely nothing. And he got hurt this spring and by some accounts is sitting 3rd string behind a line that graduated almost everyone.

It's a fallacy created by many ND fans that it was a mistake not to accept Schutt's commitment. It could turn out to be one, but no one knows yet. And at this point, it's certainly trending towards it not being a mistake. Time will tell.
 

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Why is it a bad decision? They didn't think he had the body type nor the work ethic to get his body in proper shape. Not only did ND say no to him, so did Michigan, PSU, and I believe Wisconsin.

And what did he do with OSU last year? Absolutely nothing. And he got hurt this spring and by some accounts is sitting 3rd string behind a line that graduated almost everyone.

It's a fallacy created by many ND fans that it was a mistake not to accept Schutt's commitment. It could turn out to be one, but no one knows yet. And at this point, it's certainly trending towards it not being a mistake. Time will tell.

Your whole thought process on Schutt has been based on flawed logic from the start. Even in the post above, you start your comment with "Why is this a bad decision" then you blast him for his work ethic (which was mentioned by UM as being good) and his body in shape (he showed up to OSU ready to play), then finally say that PSU passed (when Schutt decommitted from them).

All of that... then you end with "it's certainly trending towards it not being a mistake". Why? because he actually played pretty well as a true freshman? His stats weren't eye popping, but he played well. Finally, he is penciled in as a starter or second string as a true sophomore. I haven't seen third string anywhere. Every OSU fan I have talked to about him rave about his game. You have been wrong about this kid from the start and I personally believe that you will be wrong when its all said and done as well.
 

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Your whole thought process on Schutt has been based on flawed logic from the start. Even in the post above, you start your comment with "Why is this a bad decision" then you blast him for his work ethic (which was mentioned by UM as being good) and his body in shape (he showed up to OSU ready to play), then finally say that PSU passed (when Schutt decommitted from them).

All of that... then you end with "it's certainly trending towards it not being a mistake". Why? because he actually played pretty well as a true freshman? His stats weren't eye popping, but he played well. Finally, he is penciled in as a starter or second string as a true sophomore. I haven't seen third string anywhere. Every OSU fan I have talked to about him rave about his game. You have been wrong about this kid from the start and I personally believe that you will be wrong when its all said and done as well.

I knew you'd chime in on the Schutt talk lol.

A. He didn't play well. The people I talked to that followed OSU football called him pedestrian at best. NOT ONE credible person that I have talked to or read have raved about him. Not one. He had 4 tackles in 12 games, and will be a rotation player this year, and IMO nothing more.

B. I never blasted his work ethic, but nice try. I specifically stated that the COACHES didn't think he had the work ethic to succeed at the next level. This straight from a reporter who knows several of the coaches, and who knows a million times more about the thought processes of the coaches than any of us here do. I asked him about Schutt 2 weeks ago, and that was the answer. There is a reason that other programs passed on him as well, even though he was a 4 star/5 star rated player in a position of extreme importance. Think about that. Who turns that down? Well, in Schutt's case, lots of teams do.

C. I could honestly give a crap about what UM says about anything, much less one of his players. He lies all the time, and besides that, coaches lie or exaggerate about their players all the time. It is rare when a coach will say that a player is lazy.

D. OSU fans are notoriously myopic about their teams. Nowhere have I read from anywhere on the web from anyone that isn't just a fan that Schutt has been penciled in to start (just read a fantastic blog about Schutt from an OSU fan thaat stated that he took a trip to OSU and was so impressed that he decommitted from PSU and committed to OSU. Nowhere does it state that he tried to commit to ND and was denied and tried to commit to Michigan and was denied lol. Nice 'reporting'. This clown was also saying how great Schutt played and how he will start this year. I hope you're not getting your info from this fanboy.)

Truth is...he's not going to start. Hale is going to start over him. And because he was basically out most of the spring, right now he's sitting 3rd string behind Chris Carter, who could be a stud if he loses weight.

E. My bad on the PSU thing. Point remains that we weren't the only big-time school that said no to him. There is a reason for that, whether you choose to believe it or not.

G. I haven't been wrong about him at all from the start...I could easily turn and say you have been wrong about him from the start and haven't budged from it no matter what anyone tells you. What's the difference? It's all opinion at this point. But at this point, he has 4 tackles and a missed spring due to injury. That doesn't make me wrong at all.

Like I said, NO ONE knows right now, not you nor me. But until he balls out, I'm completely fine with the coaching staff(s) trusting their process and not accepting his commitment.
 
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Guys, guys. I know a way we can settle the whole Schutt thing...

Let him play the next two years. Then discuss.


Until then it's completely baseless speculation.
 

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Can we talk about Dickerson in the Dickerson profile please. Move all the other crap to the crap bin.
 

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Can we talk about Dickerson in the Dickerson profile please. Move all the other crap to the crap bin.

My bad lol. I didn't even realize it until I sent it and checked my User CP. Unless the mods move it, I'll leave it alone.
 
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Can we talk about Dickerson in the Dickerson profile please. Move all the other crap to the crap bin.

Actually, it is not crap. People say things, throw their weight around and it stifles good conversation and questions.

Here was the good part of that post:

Why is it a bad decision?

That was a winner; a conversation could have been had, because there may have been parallels. I think the coaching staff does quite a bit of due diligence.

I believe that the following quote is accurate, except in a perfect world the "Your" would have been replaced with "Almost everyone's." (unfortunately, the English language gave up that formal structure centuries ago.)

Your whole thought process on Schutt has been based on flawed logic from the start.

And then after Wooley's post, we go into a defensive tirade. Not like anyone hasn't seen it before. But there is a good point in all of this.

What is it that Kelly and his staff are looking for in defensive linemen? Wooley is on to something. How would someone know or guess or project that a player is not going to develop into a monster? Because that must have been the decision that the ND staff made.

Kelly hit it in tantalizing fashion in his preseason presser when he said something to the effect that defensive tackles or nose tackles are projected (therefore developed) not picked. I wonder how much is the coaches view of the players mental toughness?

Now I have been called the biggest idiot that posts on IE by one of the members posting on this thread, but responding to Wooley's point of flawed logic, how come no one mentioned the difference between the ND 3-4 and the Ohio State defense which is clearly a _____? Two different defenses, not like someone couldn't fit in to a DT heavy defense more easily. In a 4-3 you don't have to be a starter to play a lot.
 
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I love this kids enthusiasm for ND. From all the interviews he's done he seems like a perfect fit.
 

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Loy just posted his film room for Dickerson and said that over the summer he ran a 4.81 laser timed 40 yard dash. That's incredible!
 

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Loy just posted his film room for Dickerson and said that over the summer he ran a 4.81 laser timed 40 yard dash. That's incredible!

That really makes me question the 4.94 40-time that's listed for Yeargin. If you watch his tape, there's no way Dickerson is faster than Yeargin.

Edit: That's not a knock on Dickerson. I REALLY like him and think it's fantastic he ran a 4.81 laser timed 40.
 

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Loy just posted his film room for Dickerson and said that over the summer he ran a 4.81 laser timed 40 yard dash. That's incredible!

For reference, that's faster than the 40 Yeargin posted this summer.

If he can control 2 gaps and that 40 translates into burst off the line.....look out. He may never be a Louis Nix, but his measurables suggest he'll be a very good NG/DT. I'm cautiously excited about Dickerson.
 

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That really makes me question the 4.94 40-time that's listed for Yeargin. If you watch his tape, there's no way Dickerson is faster than Yeargin.

Edit: That's not a knock on Dickerson. I REALLY like him and think it's fantastic he ran a 4.81 laser timed 40.

The 40 time for Yeargin came at the opening so its as valid as the rest of the 40's from the event. TJ from II said that he regularly has better times than that and not to use that as a projection for his future speed. Meaning that was a slow day and not the average.
 
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