CONFIRMED: Golson No Longer Enrolled At ND
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Golson wanting to return was never really a worry for me personally. It's nice to hear (6 times) that returning is still his goal. The University allowing him back in has always been the biggest hurdle in my mind though. Hopefully that works out for him (and us).
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Just watched the interview.
Judging by the sounds in the background...
Do you think that maybe Everett is switching over to basketball? /s
Judging by the sounds in the background...
Do you think that maybe Everett is switching over to basketball? /s
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Can't tell if serious, given the direction this thread has taken and all...
However, here goes nothing - pretty sure he was interviewed at a charity basketball game in S.C. which would explain the background sounds.
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lol the irony here was that BK promised EG during his recruitment he could join the ND basketball team if he excelled in the classroom..
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Like Justin Brent(2014 verbal), Everett has Division 1 point guard skills. Led Myrtle Beach to state championship his freshman year. Charlie Ward was an anomaly. Today, it is impossible to play both football and basketball at a Division 1 school. Wishful thinking for a few incoming freshmen.
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its probably doable if you dont have much of an academic workload to fulfill. but yeah extremely hard to excel at both.
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since all the jokes about the returning EG in the spring are taken ill go the serious route.
Im glad he has plans to right the ship and would welcome him back once his dues are paid. My concern here is the potential of transfers at the QB position. MZ im pretty sure we will see him on the field this year. Then what about Kizer? I know theres a long time until signing day but i dont see dk flipping.
Have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts opinions?
Im glad he has plans to right the ship and would welcome him back once his dues are paid. My concern here is the potential of transfers at the QB position. MZ im pretty sure we will see him on the field this year. Then what about Kizer? I know theres a long time until signing day but i dont see dk flipping.
Have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts opinions?
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I just thought of something that gives me a bit of confidence heading into the season....
Every year that Rees has seen extensive minutes throughout the season it has been through an unexpected turn of events.
Freshman- Dayne gets injured midway into the season.
Sophomore- Dayne is not starter material unexpectedly 1/2 of a game into the season.
Junior- Comes in for Golson who the offense is designed around.
The point? Every year we've seen Rees he's been running an offense that has been drilled in the off season to run a type of game that is not suited to his play style. (Anyone who's ever screamed at their TV when Rees has checked into a play action draw will know this.) Coach Kelly can tweak an offense on a weekly basis to suit his QB but there is only so much he can do when the offense that has been instilled during the off season is so stark to Rees's style. So my hope is that we will see a smart, full offense this year that will be more conscious of Rees skills and limitations, instead of the handicapped spread playbook we've seen in years past. Anyone think I'm over-thinking the importance of preseason schemes and drills?
Every year that Rees has seen extensive minutes throughout the season it has been through an unexpected turn of events.
Freshman- Dayne gets injured midway into the season.
Sophomore- Dayne is not starter material unexpectedly 1/2 of a game into the season.
Junior- Comes in for Golson who the offense is designed around.
The point? Every year we've seen Rees he's been running an offense that has been drilled in the off season to run a type of game that is not suited to his play style. (Anyone who's ever screamed at their TV when Rees has checked into a play action draw will know this.) Coach Kelly can tweak an offense on a weekly basis to suit his QB but there is only so much he can do when the offense that has been instilled during the off season is so stark to Rees's style. So my hope is that we will see a smart, full offense this year that will be more conscious of Rees skills and limitations, instead of the handicapped spread playbook we've seen in years past. Anyone think I'm over-thinking the importance of preseason schemes and drills?
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I don't think it's far fetched to think this will be the best Rees we've seen, by far. Like you said, he/BK/Martin know what's coming and have a month to plan for it, rather than 6 days.
I hope we play a Brett Bellima type offense, and pound the ball, rely on play action, long offensive drives and keep our defense fresh.
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Not at all. I'm listening to ISD's Power Hour right now and they were talking about the importance of Tommy being named the starter now and not in fall camp or during the season, which is the first time in his career he has entered the season as the starter. This will not only benefit Tommy but the team as a whole.
Interesting thought. Time will tell.
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To the Piano Player: interesting thought. Maybe. But I'll bet that Kelly isn't willing to sell out an offensive design for Tommy en toto, and still thinks that he may well need Andrew and maybe Malik [i.e. VERY different design] this year.
My hopes are more towards the idea that a "gristled old veteran" Tommy just really gets it as a senior, and will be so precise that we're all pleasantly shocked --- lack of QB running notwithstanding. Rees' ability as a "Stand and Deliver" precision QB is, I believe, no green koolaid fantasy vision based on no data.
My humble theory is that we get a VERY competent Tommy who guides a very competent offense to 3 to 4 touchdowns per game, and the defense gives up none. We might lose during the regular season, but the opponent is going to have to play a great game and/or get some odd breaks.
By season's end, we'll be saying: we'll never see another defense quite like that one again. Let's enjoy Lou, Stephon, Prince, Bennett, and even Foxabreese while we can.
My hopes are more towards the idea that a "gristled old veteran" Tommy just really gets it as a senior, and will be so precise that we're all pleasantly shocked --- lack of QB running notwithstanding. Rees' ability as a "Stand and Deliver" precision QB is, I believe, no green koolaid fantasy vision based on no data.
My humble theory is that we get a VERY competent Tommy who guides a very competent offense to 3 to 4 touchdowns per game, and the defense gives up none. We might lose during the regular season, but the opponent is going to have to play a great game and/or get some odd breaks.
By season's end, we'll be saying: we'll never see another defense quite like that one again. Let's enjoy Lou, Stephon, Prince, Bennett, and even Foxabreese while we can.
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The problem is that Tommy has always really "gotten it." His grasp of the offense, even as a freshman, is why he's played as much as he has. The challenge is more physical tools. And not just wheels but also arm strength. I'm not sure how much gristle will help that.
I think we can win 10 games with Tommy, but we're going to need some of his weapons (Daniels, a TE, one or more RB) to really step up their game this year.
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Not really true. Yes he understood the offense in 2011 but he didn't "get" how important it was to protect the football. I believe he "got" that last season as evidenced by him only throwing one bad int (albeit in limited, yet pressure packed, action) and making better decisions with the ball.
I'll gladly take his grossly exaggerated lack of physical tools if he can continue to protect the football.
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I know everybody loves the guy, hell I do too, but god am I tired of seeing the pocket collapse around him on a 3rd and short and him trying- and failing- to escape and then throwing a half-motion pass to the safest receiver that doesn't get there because of his arm getting hit. I've seen this play soooo many times it's permanently etched into my mind.
I do love the kid though. But I'm just tired of that moment and I'm going to need the pepto nearby this year
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At some point in every season you need a quarterback who can do more than just protect the football. You need a guy who - to borrow a basketball term - can create some offense. Golson can do that. Tommy? He's certainly had his moments, but most have involved a superlative talent on the receiving end (Floyd, Eifert), a talent I, at least, have not yet seen on our 2013 roster.
I like the guy, and I respect the hell out of him for how he carried himself last year, but I can't help it: Images of Rees knocked on his butt in the 2011 Stanford game, and that wounded duck interception he threw late in the FSU bowl game, and endless third-down throwaways, they all remain burned on my cortex. I'd love some good images to cover them up.
Thanks but I was making a joke of the fact that three people linked the same story (two hours after BGIF) saying Golson said he will return this spring.
Thanks for the credit but GoldenIsThyFame posted the video 15 minutes before my post of the article.
Both those posts were 12 hours of the ESPN "news".
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Not directing this at you, but in general I see a lot of people that have bad memories of Tommy in 2011 and prior. His underclassmen years left a sour taste in some people's mouths. It was what it was though, and he was just that: an underclassman. He was the next man in his first two years with the program, and in my opinion as a trush frosh and sophomore he did pretty well. His freshman year he snapped the hideous losing streak to USC, beat a top 25 team in Utah which was a first in quite awhile, and destroyed Miami in a bowl which was beautiful. His sophomore season wasn't as great, but he never really lost us a game that we should have won (Nearly brought us back after going in the 2nd half of USF, Michigan loss was on the defense, and Florida State forgot how to play offense for the first half. USC/Stanford were the better teams in 2012, we were only in that USC game because it was Kiffy).
Now last year you can see he saved our season on a number of occasions. He may not have all the tools Golson does, but amidst the boos from our own fans he brought us wins against Purdue, BYU, Michigan, and spelled Golson a few times throughout 9 games. With so much negativity that surrounds him as well as comparisons, he continues to go out and be a Notre Dame man performing to the best of his ability.
Tommy isn't going to be an Everett Golson for us this season, but we'll continue to ride the defense and win games. He'll manage the game as he does. We won't need him to do it all. Behind this O-Line he should be able to just hand the ball off and run play action for success. Martin may throw in a wrinkle this year, something new given that we know from the start that Tommy is the starter. That could throw defenses off. I'm not worried about the season, I feel better than I did before last year at this time. I'm not saying we'll win every game, but I think theres an excellent chance to make a big BCS bowl and have a good showing. Tommy is our guy, he's got my support.
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Tommy is a serviceable backup. I'll leave it at that....I am still unrealistically holding out hope Malik gets a shot.
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I have a feeling Tommy will be more than a backup this year, he's going to surprise a lot of people. I still think we'll lean heavy on our running game and defense, which will minimize his involvement, but he's setup to have a good year. Thats not to say I don't want Malik to get some experience for the future, I'm hoping this happens.
"You need a guy who - to borrow a basketball term - can create some offense. Golson can do that."
NO! Golson CAN'T do that, not in 2013.
Contrary to TP's spin the other day, Golson is in****ingeligible and it's by HIS own hand.
He's not out like Crist was, twice, with surgically repaired knees and enduring painful rehab. Golson is yucking it up back home at a basketball tournament while Rees works his butt off and catches B.S. like this post.
In 2013 when you see a wounded duck, recall that Golson set that up with an Honor Code violation.
When you see Rees sacked, remember Golson took himself off field for the entire season and thrust Rees, or Hendrix, or Zaire onto it as a stand-in for his ethical failure.
When you don't like the Game Plan or shuttling of QBs, keep in mind, Golson's selfish action forced Kelly and Martin to dump the a bunch of plays that worked well in '12, some Rees can run, some Hendrix can't throw, and some Zaire hasn't figured out yet.
Rees is the Starter because Golson crapped in the classroom and this is Notre Dame not Southern Cal or Alabama.
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We have said the same thing for the past two years, and every time we start him I get the reaction of "well he may be able to pull one past BYU, but what about more difficult teams". That and "holy hell please don't throw that into triple coverage".
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Golson can do it. He just won't be doing it for us this year. You want to play word games, knock yourself out. But I agree, this whole situation is entirely Golson's doing. And while I don't know exactly what his crime was, I know enough about Notre Dame to trust that the punishment fits it. I'm certainly not going to blame Brian Kelly, or Tommy Rees.
None of that changes the fact that we'll need more than "a game manager" who can "protect the football" to make it to a BCS bowl this year. I know by the end of last season that Everett Golson had grown into something more than that. I hope Tommy Rees has too. We'll see.
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I have never been a huge Tommy fan. I hated how his lame duck throws in 2011 and his many turnovers at the worst possible moments. But I did love his clutch performances that led us to a few key wins in both 2010 and 2011 and his team attitude. I think many are remembering the Tommy Rees from 2011 and expecting that guy to be under center against Temple on August 31. And others are thinking he will have a dramatic turn around ala Jimmy Clausen from 2008 to 2009. I believe he will be somewhere in the middle. He will be dramatically improved from 2011 if for no other reason than he is 2 years older and knows the offense so much better and will be much more likely to throw the ball away than to throw a pick. I don't think he will ever look like Jimmy did in 2009. I have not seen too many QB's play like that, Andrew Luck is the only 1 I can think of off the top of my head. So no, Tommy won't have that great of a turn around. But I think he can limit the turnovers which was the main reason we lost 3of the 5 games in 2011 and with a better running game (hopefully) and a much better defense, I think we can get at a minimum 10 wins. And that's not because I think Tommy will all of a sudden look like a Heisman worthy QB but because he will be much more likely to not lose us any games, be a much better game manager but still a clutch player, and our defense and running game are much more likely to win us some games than 2011.