'14 GA WDE Andrew Williams (Offer)

[STLDomer]

Anyone else love the fact that three of our biggest front-7 targets all come from "pipeline" schools?

Andrew Williams --- Eagles Landing (Isaac Rochell)
Solomon Thomas --- Coppell (Cam McDaniel)
Thomas Holley --- Lincoln (Ishaq Williams)

I think this fact alone will leave me really disappointed if we can't land all three of them. I know pipeline doesn't equal lock/commitment, but you have to like our dogs in these races.

Pretty good chance you're going to be disappointed them. At this point I would be pleasantly surprised to land 2 of them.

 

[NDWorld247]

I honestly doubt we get either Holly or Thomas... just me.

Pretty good chance you're going to be disappointed them. At this point I would be pleasantly surprised to land 2 of them.

Either of you downers like to make a wager? I say we get at least two. The winner gets paid double if we get all three (me) or none (either of you).

 

[Grahambo]

It doesn't matter if Florida, Bama, Notre Dame, or Blue Mountain State is his leader today. The leader on NSD will be the one celebrating, not the leader on July 6th

Get him on campus and I will like our chances

...or if you're UCLA, a month after that.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I honestly doubt we get either Holly or Thomas... just me.

However that Holly fellow can go where he pleases. I want Holley.

 

[WestCoast]

I honestly doubt we get either Holly or Thomas... just me.

Sonders? Hunter? Golightly? Buddy?

 

[stlnd01]

Anyone else love the fact that three of our biggest front-7 targets all come from "pipeline" schools?

Andrew Williams --- Eagles Landing (Isaac Rochell)
Solomon Thomas --- Coppell (Cam McDaniel)
Thomas Holley --- Lincoln (Ishaq Williams)

I think this fact alone will leave me really disappointed if we can't land all three of them. I know pipeline doesn't equal lock/commitment, but you have to like our dogs in these races.

I'm not sure I believe in "pipeline" schools until we land more than one kid from them. At this point they're just places where we know the coaches and maybe a guy has an former teammate telling him nice things about us. Does it help get us in the door? Sure. But beyond that it's not much. I love Elijah Shumate but he didn't exactly land us the predicted flood of Don Bosco commits.
That said, we're certainly in the hunt on all three of those kids, and even getting two would be great.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm not sure I believe in "pipeline" schools until we land more than one kid from them. At this point they're just places where we know the coaches and maybe a guy has an former teammate telling him nice things about us. Does it help get us in the door? Sure. But beyond that it's not much. I love Elijah Shumate but he didn't exactly land us the predicted flood of Don Bosco commits.
That said, we're certainly in the hunt on all three of those kids, and even getting two would be great.

This is splitting hairs a little but Elijah and Bosco may not be the best example because we we could have had Yuri if we wanted to look past tweetgate. And AQM wanted to come here all along but obviously couldn't. I am a firm believer in building pipelines, it's just going to be different for ND because our standards are different from most colleges.

 

[dwshade]

I honestly doubt we get either Holly or Thomas... just me.

I'd be stunned if we didn't get Holley.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'd be stunned if we didn't get Holley.

Apparently, with a twist of one letter, I was talking about that red head we all wanted to smash in the 80s so move along...

 

[NDinL.A.]

I don't know how anyone can put these two updates together and suggest we don't lead for him or that he is slipping. We continue to talk in circles about Williams. He will be Irish.

Edit: STL's post was on Tuesday, July 2. Kane's update was today, 4 days later.

Dude, that's a couple of quotes to ND reporters. Read these quotes and tell me that ND is the unquestioned leader:

"Georgia [defensive line] coach [Chris] Wilson has done a fantastic job of recruiting me," Williams said. "I would love to have an opportunity to be coached by him." (This is the latest article on him by Rivals...not ONE mention of Notre Dame.)

Clemson offered the rising senior first.

"First and foremost I like the coaches there," Williams said. "They are good, quality football coaches. They are family-oriented coaches. I like their philosophy and how I'd fit into their scheme. I like their history and how their coaches have produced players. Plus the school itself is nice."

His father also liked the visit.

"He liked it a good bit," Williams said. "The education part definitely stood out. He fell in love with the film of their scheme. He liked how coach Hobby and coach Venables scheme it up. That's what he wanted to see."

"We broke down plays and all that, even influenced my defensive coordinator to change it up a little bit, which I liked," said Williams. "It was real good, well needed."

Williams plans to release his top ten on Twitter this week, after some last-minute tinkering. After two visits to Auburn, Williams can safely say the Tigers will make the cut, and then some.

"They are pretty high on my list right now, they have everything I need," said Williams. "Great scheme, nice campus and great coaches. Even though it's summer, it feels like a college town. Coach Garner and Coach (Dameyune) Craig, it feels good."

Asked if he's giving UM serious consideration, he said, "Yes, after the visit now I am."

The best part of his time in Coral Gables?

"Everything," he said. "The new facilities, I got to explore that. The campus is beautiful.
"The coaches, I liked them most of all. They were down to earth. I could relate to them. They were saying how I can get there on a three-year plan, just transform me into a rush end, get in there and get out to the NFL. They said how I can help them to a championship, that they need pass rushers." (And Miami isn't even in the discussion anymore lol)

And this was just a cursory check through the web. There's a ton more out there. SO yeah, for me at least, I can definitely make a case for us not being the leader. Are we in it? For sure. But he tells reporters what they want to hear, so until he tells other teams' reporters that ND is in the lead, I will remain skeptical.

 

[NDWorld247]

Dude, that's a couple of quotes to ND reporters. Read these quotes and tell me that ND is the unquestioned leader:


And this was just a cursory check through the web. There's a ton more out there. SO yeah, for me at least, I can definitely make a case for us not being the leader. Are we in it? For sure. But he tells reporters what they want to hear, so until he tells other teams' reporters that ND is in the lead, I will remain skeptical.

You dug up quotes from his March 25 visit to Miami to make your case? Someone help a brother out and insert a McKayla Maroney not impressed photo pronto! (I really should look into how to post photos and gifs on here).

You are right in that many recruits tell reporters what they want to hear. Maybe I should have said, "I don't know how anyone can put these two updates together and suggest anyone else leads for him". Do you believe another school leads for him? I would love to hear you make a case for another school.

Also, my belief that we lead for him comes from more than just the past two updates. I didn't articulate that. But telling reporters what they want to hear aside, he made a pretty strong statement that he would be ND right now if it wasn't for the football side, followed up by a report the football side has been strengthened, leaves me to believe we lead in the absence of a stated leader from Mr. Williams.

Can you tell me right now who is in his top 5? I can only tell you one school because that's all he released unless I missed something. The opinions that we are slipping are completely unfounded, as are the opinions that other schools (Clemson and/or Auburn) are leading.

 

[NDinL.A.]

You dug up quotes from his March 25 visit to Miami to make your case? Someone help a brother out and insert a McKayla Maroney not impressed photo pronto! (I really should look into how to post photos and gifs on here).

You are right in that many recruits tell reporters what they want to hear. Maybe I should have said, "I don't know how anyone can put these two updates together and suggest anyone else leads for him". Do you believe another school leads for him? I would love to hear you make a case for another school.

Also, my belief that we lead for him comes from more than just the past two updates. I didn't articulate that. But telling reporters what they want to hear aside, he made a pretty strong statement that he would be ND right now if it wasn't for the football side, followed up by a report the football side has been strengthened, leaves me to believe we lead in the absence of a stated leader from Mr. Williams.

Can you tell me right now who is in his top 5? I can only tell you one school because that's all he released unless I missed something. The opinions that we are slipping are completely unfounded, as are the opinions that other schools (Clemson and/or Auburn) are leading.

I looked up only 4 articles and in EACH article he told the reporter exactly what the team's fans wanted to hear. What else do you need to know? Funny how you ignore the most recent quotes and focus solely on the oldest one.

I just don't take 'being pleased' as being such a strong statement that he is now so comfortable with ND that we are his leader without a doubt. I don't see that as overly strong at all. That's where my issue is...you cannot fathom how anyone cannot believe that ND is his leader after 2 less than 100 % rock solid quotes about ND (where I showed you other strong quotes he has said about other schools).

Can you tell me who is in his top 5 right now? Can you show me ONE quote from a non-ND reporter where he says ND is in his top 5? If you can, then my apologies.

I don't know who leads for him right now. I don't think even he knows...it depends the way the wind blows with some teenagers. He seems like one of them, a kid blown away by every school he visits. ND may very well lead, but there are other schools firmly in the mix. My whole contention with your post was how you basically couldn't see how anyone could think that ND wasn't the leader, where there is plenty of evidence to suggest that that is murky right now.

And anyway, makes no difference who leads for him right now? There's a whole lot of July leaders who turned out to be February losers in the end.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Not the case. BTW I thought Kirby Smart was ready to wrap up Lorenzo Carter.

First....

none of us really know where any of these kids land. If we did, we would probably be making serious money right now. Many people think Williams end up at ND and I hope he does for the Irishs' sake. But to dismiss Clemson as a major player for him is incorrect. The longer he waits to commit, the less I think he commits to the Irish. And yes... that is just my opinion.

Secondly, there was a tremendous amount of talk that Kirby was going to get a commitment from Carter a few weeks back but it didn't happen. That wasn't me saying that but several major "recruiting" gurus. As far as his leader, he said he put Florida there only because he was tired of all the talk about Bama and Ga. and wanted to chill on all the talk - even STL mentions that in a post. If I am correct he came back out shortly after and stated that Bama was still the leader. In the end no one really knows. I expect him to end up at Bama. But if he signed with Ga or Fla I wouldn't be shocked either. Wherever he ends up, that program will be getting a good one.

 

[NDWorld247]

This will be my last response to you. I'm going to the beach...

I looked up only 4 articles and in EACH article he told the reporter exactly what the team's fans wanted to hear. What else do you need to know? Funny how you ignore the most recent quotes and focus solely on the oldest one.

I ignored your evidence because it's weak as hell. I agreed that recruits often tell reporters what they want to hear but I also don't believe that all interviews are created equal. I can tell you exactly what the questions were based on his answers.

Georgia - What do you think of coach Wilson?
Clemson - What do you like about Clemson? How did your dad like the visit?
Auburn - What did you do on your visit? What do you like about Auburn and will they make your top 10? (Based on his answer I can tell this interview was over a month ago)
Miami - This interview was over 3 months ago. LOL at you.

Now, what question could Loy have asked Andrew to solicit a "I would definitely be going to ND if it wasn't for the football aspect of things" response? As I said, not all interviews are created equal and sometimes you have to read through the B.S.

I just don't take 'being pleased' as being such a strong statement that he is now so comfortable with ND that we are his leader without a doubt. I don't see that as overly strong at all. That's where my issue is...you cannot fathom how anyone cannot believe that ND is his leader after 2 less than 100 % rock solid quotes about ND (where I showed you other strong quotes he has said about other schools).

The being "pleased" comment re: the football aspect of his decision comes on the heels of his comment saying he would be ND if it wasn't solely about football. It's one word but IMO it speaks volumes.

Three posters all said they thought Clemson was the leader, yet provided no evidence to support their opinion. That's fine. People can have their opinion. I don't agree with it and provided evidence to support my opinion. The quotes you showed were not strong. They were weak as I said above.

Can you tell me who is in his top 5 right now? Can you show me ONE quote from a non-ND reporter where he says ND is in his top 5? If you can, then my apologies.

So are you suggesting he told Loy ND was in his top 5 to tell him what he wanted to hear as a ND reporter? Can you show me ONE quote from ANYONE that another school has made his top 5? Are you saying we aren't even in his top 5??

I can tell you his top 5 right now based on his own comments: In no particular order:

1. ND
2.
3.
4.
5.

I don't know who leads for him right now. I don't think even he knows...it depends the way the wind blows with some teenagers. He seems like one of them, a kid blown away by every school he visits. ND may very well lead, but there are other schools firmly in the mix. My whole contention with your post was how you basically couldn't see how anyone could think that ND wasn't the leader, where there is plenty of evidence to suggest that that is murky right now.

I said I don't see how people can suggest we don't lead or that we are slipping (you seem to be ignoring this part of my post). I could definitely see how someone could think ND wasn't the leader. That's easy, they're ignoring the information provided in this thread and going off their "gut".

And anyway, makes no difference who leads for him right now? There's a whole lot of July leaders who turned out to be February losers in the end.

The discussion that was taking place was who leads for him. No one said the July leader would land his commitment.

Now, go attack the people who said Clemson was his leader. I am confident you will find an argument you can win.

 

[Old Man Mike]

The guy of these three [if we wanted to restrict our view to just this area of the Universe] that we REALLY need is Holley. If either Williams or Thomas came along too, I'd have a full-out O+D BIGS celebration, and relax that good ol' ND was going to be a power monster for many years to come.

Having said that and listening to most of the factual-based data here, I'm feeling pretty good about all this. We, as they say, are "in it".

 

[STLDomer]

Auburn & Clemson are in his Top 5, he's stated that many times.

 

[NDinL.A.]

This will be my last response to you. I'm going to the beach...



I ignored your evidence because it's weak as hell. I agreed that recruits often tell reporters what they want to hear but I also don't believe that all interviews are created equal. I can tell you exactly what the questions were based on his answers.

Georgia - What do you think of coach Wilson?
Clemson - What do you like about Clemson? How did your dad like the visit?
Auburn - What did you do on your visit? What do you like about Auburn and will they make your top 10? (Based on his answer I can tell this interview was over a month ago)
Miami - This interview was over 3 months ago. LOL at you.

Now, what question could Loy have asked Andrew to solicit a "I would definitely be going to ND if it wasn't for the football aspect of things" response? As I said, not all interviews are created equal and sometimes you have to read through the B.S.




The being "pleased" comment re: the football aspect of his decision comes on the heels of his comment saying he would be ND if it wasn't solely about football. It's one word but IMO it speaks volumes.

Three posters all said they thought Clemson was the leader, yet provided no evidence to support their opinion. That's fine. People can have their opinion. I don't agree with it and provided evidence to support my opinion. The quotes you showed were not strong. They were weak as I said above.



So are you suggesting he told Loy ND was in his top 5 to tell him what he wanted to hear as a ND reporter? Can you show me ONE quote from ANYONE that another school has made his top 5? Are you saying we aren't even in his top 5??

I can tell you his top 5 right now based on his own comments: In no particular order:

1. ND
2.
3.
4.
5.



I said I don't see how people can suggest we don't lead or that we are slipping (you seem to be ignoring this part of my post). I could definitely see how someone could think ND wasn't the leader. That's easy, they're ignoring the information provided in this thread and going off their "gut".



The discussion that was taking place was who leads for him. No one said the July leader would land his commitment.

Now, go attack the people who said Clemson was his leader. I am confident you will find an argument you can win.

LOL...I'm not attacking you. Show me one point where I attacked you and not the issue. But go ahead and think that if it makes you feel better. I won't waste my time debating it with you anymore with you because you obviously can't handle it without making it personal. Thought it was good debate and you were up for it, but oh well.

We'll revisit this when Williams flip flops on who his leader is (which, of course, you failed to show where he said ND or anyone was his leader). Enjoy the beach...

EDIT: I just talked to a guy who gets paid to do this for a living, and he agreed that it's impossible to tell who Williams' leader is right now, fwiw.

 

[Luckylucci]

Auburn & Clemson are in his Top 5, he's stated that many times.

Agreed, I feel like that is pretty obvious.

 

[NDWorld247]

Auburn & Clemson are in his Top 5, he's stated that many times.

Please show me where Williams has stated they are in his top 5. Not that they will definitely make his top 10 but that they are in his top 5.

Agreed, I feel like that is pretty obvious.

I think it's pretty obvious as well, but the point I was arguing was ND is the only school he has actually listed in his top 5.

 

[DillonHall]

247,

Your "evidence" is something that Andrew Williams said, but if you've been following recruiting for some time, you should know that the first rule regarding recruiting is that you shouldn't put much stock in anything that a recruit says to the media.

I find it ridiculous that you could be so sure of anything regarding his recruitment

 

[STLDomer]

Sounds like ND has brought out the big guns for Williams, per II BK, Diaco & Booker all talked to him during The Opening. He's working on scheduling OVs and deciding after taking those which is obviously good news for ND because he was originally gonna decide by the end of summer.

 

[BeauBenken]

Sounds like ND has brought out the big guns for Williams, per II BK, Diaco & Booker all talked to him during The Opening. He's working on scheduling OVs and deciding after taking those which is obviously good news for ND because he was originally gonna decide by the end of summer.

Many people thought that was great.

 

[STLDomer]

Many people thought that was great.

I don't see how a summer decision could have been great for us

 

[Luckylucci]

I think at the beginnig of the year that would have benefited us but he hasn't made it back to campus since then. I share STL's sentiment that we need to get him and his parents to campus. His dad went with him on his Clemson visit and absolutely loved it. We have to be able to make an impression on them as well. If we can get that visit this summer, this could change as well.

 

[BeauBenken]

I don't see how a summer decision could have been great for us

I'm not saying I agree with that sentiment. I'm just saying there are many people who are still confident that we lead for Andrew's services.

And while I think we are one of his top teams, I don't think we have any sort of substantial lead over anyone.

 

[STLDomer]

Top 6 of Georgia Tech, Clemson, Ole Miss, Auburn, FSU & Florida per Rivals.....

I've been rather negative about him and ND but even I didn't expect that

 

[Irishman77]

That's ludicrous ! If he makes it up with his parents I am still optimistic.

 

[ACamp1900]

WWWeeeeeeeee!!!

 

[NDPhilly]

He seemed so much different personality wise than Rochell. Surprised but not that surprised.

 

[Redbar]

He seemed so much different personality wise than Rochell. Surprised but not that surprised.

This. I think personality/temperament wise Carter is more of a fit, but that is just watching from afar.