'14 IA WR Allen Lazard (Iowa State Verbal)

[Bogtrotter07]

Bogs, if you went by that mantra that you just proposed your post count would be a lot higher than 13 per day.

I rarely quote anyone else's confusing posts, thank you, I have enough trouble understanding my own. What sounds to you? LOL!

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[aubeirish]

From what I gathered, this poster would tell Allen that a degree doesn't really matters and that Whiskey is an idiot for pointing out dumb facts. LOL, and we thought we were a bit delusional.

 

[md_bennett]

What about losing the starting QB at Irish and all the off-season transfer drama? That would concern me as a FB player. ISU is not a powerhouse team and nobody there has an exclusive Tv deal. So yeah anything that happens at ND gets bigger headlines. That is also a big reason to go there in the first place. And our FR QB is still going to be better than anything put out by ISU

Also interesting that Coach Kelly was rumored as candidate for the ISU job not long ago and Coach Elliott has coached at ISU. IF ND is so superior FB-wise, why didn't ISU go with Kelly as HC and why did they hire an ISU FB coach away from ISU? Kelly was at Central Michigan at the time. He saw that as bad as Cincinnati was that they were still a better option. Chizik bounced at first chance. Is it really surprising that quality coaches want to get to a quality program?

I get the tradition and player talent argument for ND, but the above questions leave me curious and asking if the players are now wiser to the old ways of luring and stockpiling top talent to keep them off the field and off of opposing programs to "stack the odds". stockpiling talent is another way of saying playing with winners. Would you enjoy starting for a team four years and getting trounced at almost every turn? I played baseball and was on an 0-21 team one year. It sucks. I also played platoon in high school for an elite 8 team with pro talent. Want to know where I had more fun?

Is college FB trending towards the pros with a more homogenous talent level across the league or will it be the same old same old?It will never trend that way unless there was a draft that ensured higher picks for worse teams. As long as kids get to pick good programs and good degrees for themselves there will never be parody in college FB

 

[RDU Irish]

"So that is the pitch that you would use to get a recruit? I hope you have nothing to do with the athletic department. "

They aren't all nuts over there. Plenty of Hawkeyes trolling too.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

.....there will never be parody in college FB[/B]

The word you're looking for is parity #gramarnazi

 

[RDU Irish]

The word you're looking for is parity #gramarnazi

No, as long as Lane Kiffen coaches in CFB there will be parody.

 

[Cackalacky]

Is Allen ISU's highest recruit ever or something? This fanbase seems all sorts of butthurt just because other teams are going after him.

If anything, they should be stoked they have him committed and top tier teams are going after him. It should solidify the fact that this kid is legit. It' s like us being happy when our recruits get offered by the likes of LSU, Alabama, etc. Good offer lists and interest from top programs are good things.

Calm down, ISU fans! He's yours....until he's not.

OMG... after Eddy Vanderdoes, our fanbase does not get tot talk about butthurt from flipping recruits or those more frequently less important LOIs.

 

[dublinirish]

OMG... after Eddy Vanderdoes, our fanbase does not get tot talk about butthurt from flipping recruits or those more frequently less important LOIs.

the shite flows downhill brah

 

[Ironman8]

College football fans always want it both ways. You are wrong if you try and poach our recruits, but we can poach yours. Can't hate the players, hate the game. It's broken.

We need an early signing period. How there is one for basketball, a sport that has to recruit and sign a fraction of the amount of players as football, and not for football baffles me.

Imagine how much less stress would be on coaches throughout the country if basically half your class could be sign, sealed and delivered in the summer and you could truly assess needs and prospects on a much lesser scale going forward?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

OMG... after Eddy Vanderdoes, our fanbase does not get tot talk about butthurt from flipping recruits or those more frequently less important LOIs.

Apples and oranges. EV signed on the dotted line.

Now if Hood started taking visits, I could understand the ND fanbase being on edge. But my butthurt comment was directed towards the ISU fans being completely irrational and delusional when making comments about ND, the degree, the staff, etc. That sort of desperate thinking is ridiculous in this type of situation. That situation being a highly rated, committed prospect is taking visits to expand his knowledge base. He's still committed to ISU and their fans have been ready to jump off a cliff ever since the mention of ND got brought up.

 

[Cackalacky]

Apples and oranges. EV signed on the dotted line.

Now if Hood started taking visits, I could understand the ND fanbase being on edge. But my butthurt comment was directed towards the ISU fans being completely irrational and delusional when making comments about ND, the degree, the staff, etc. That sort of desperate thinking is ridiculous in this type of situation. That situation being a highly rated, committed prospect is taking visits to expand his knowledge base. He's still committed to ISU and their fans have been ready to jump off a cliff ever since the mention of ND got brought up.

Not just EV. Do I need to list every one we lost in the last 3 years.....

 

[FLDomer]

Not just EV. Do I need to list every one we lost in the last 3 years.....

Please dont, my butt is still hurt!

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Not just EV. Do I need to list every one we lost in the last 3 years.....

You're missing my point. I agree it sucks to lose players, whether it's during the recruiting cycle or after they've signed. What I'm trying to say is that this particular group of ISU fans are seriously grasping for anything. See the ROI argument. It's insane. Yes, ND has it's fair share of delusional fans as well. All I'm saying is they're seriously reaching for any excuse, accurate or make believe, to make themselves feel better about a top commit visiting other schools. I see what you're saying by ND having fans who react the same way. I try to think within the confines of this board and most posters have a sense of rationality in their thinking when situations like this occur and ND is on the losing end.

 

[Cackalacky]

You're missing my point. I agree it sucks to lose players, whether it's during the recruiting cycle or after they've signed. What I'm trying to say is that this particular group of ISU fans are seriously grasping for anything. See the ROI argument. It's insane. Yes, ND has it's fair share of delusional fans as well. All I'm saying is they're seriously reaching for any excuse, accurate or make believe, to make themselves feel better about a top commit visiting other schools. I see what you're saying by ND having fans who react the same way. I try to think within the confines of this board and most posters have a sense of rationality in their thinking when situations like this occur and ND is on the losing end.

Initially I was just being facetious and I could not care less about what ISU fans are thinking. Therefore I adopt Ironman's response as my own. Be butthurt or don't, but don't let the butthurt flow to another fanbase cause we could be just as butthurt as them and that butthurt sucks and all your really doing is projecting your own butthurt onto them.

 

[WestCoast]

I try to think within the confines of this board and most posters have a sense of rationality in their thinking when situations like this occur and ND is on the losing end.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Too much butthurt for one day.

Agreed.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I stand by my statement. A lot of people on this board pride themselves on not getting caught up in the craziness and jumping off a cliff every time the chicken littles cry out. There are exceptions, yes.

 

[WestCoast]

So like, are these guys saying Lazard should go to a school with a good business program?

Does anyone know a school that has a good business program and would "cut it football wise?"

Anyone?

Ok, so my question wasn't entirely rhetorical. For the sake of the Clones fans who are peeking in and didn't know what I was alluding to, I will answer my question myself:

Notre Dame Tops List of Best College Business Programs - Businessweek

The University of Notre Dame claimed the top spot in Bloomberg Businessweek’s ranking of undergraduate business schools for the third year as students commended its strong alumni support and focus on ethics.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

College football fans always want it both ways. You are wrong if you try and poach our recruits, but we can poach yours. Can't hate the players, hate the game. It's broken.

We need an early signing period. How there is one for basketball, a sport that has to recruit and sign a fraction of the amount of players as football, and not for football baffles me.

Imagine how much less stress would be on coaches throughout the country if basically half your class could be sign, sealed and delivered in the summer and you could truly assess needs and prospects on a much lesser scale going forward?

I agree 100%

 

[koonja]

College football fans always want it both ways. You are wrong if you try and poach our recruits, but we can poach yours. Can't hate the players, hate the game. It's broken.

We need an early signing period. How there is one for basketball, a sport that has to recruit and sign a fraction of the amount of players as football, and not for football baffles me.

Imagine how much less stress would be on coaches throughout the country if basically half your class could be sign, sealed and delivered in the summer and you could truly assess needs and prospects on a much lesser scale going forward?

I think there should be two signing periods. One, say, sept 1st after all summer activities are done and before their senior season starts. The seconds period should be where it is, nsd.

This way coaches have a better gauge of what they still need as the season starts. Plus, sept 1st isn't crazy early where recruits will be blown away on their first visit and just sign with the first team that offers.

And obviously, coaches would know how much stock to put into verbals that have verbal likes before sept 1 but did not sign at that deadline. Sorry for grammar, I'm at work and on my mobile.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think there should be two signing periods. One, say, sept 1st after all summer activities are done and before their senior season starts. The seconds period should be where it is, nsd.

This way coaches have a better gauge of what they still need as the season starts. Plus, sept 1st isn't crazy early where recruits will be blown away on their first visit and just sign with the first team that offers.

And obviously, coaches would know how much stock to put into verbals that have verbal likes before sept 1 but did not sign at that deadline. Sorry for grammar, I'm at work and on my mobile.

I'd set it earlier, before summer camps. Coaches need time to prepare for the season, and for those kids who'd be interested, shutting down the process sooner is a boon for them as well.

 

[koonja]

I'd set it earlier, before summer camps. Coaches need time to prepare for the season, and for those kids who'd be interested, shutting down the process sooner is a boon for them as well.

But there's so much evaluating done during the summer and at camps. And kids are so impressionable I feel like coaches would prey early on before others had time to evaluate enough for an offer.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

But there's so much evaluating done during the summer and at camps.

I meant before the teams report back to campus for summer camp. Not before the summer camp circuit.

 

[koonja]

I meant before the teams report back to campus for summer camp. Not before the summer camp circuit.

When is that?

 

[NDWorld247]

I think there should be two signing periods. One, say, sept 1st after all summer activities are done and before their senior season starts. The seconds period should be where it is, nsd.

This way coaches have a better gauge of what they still need as the season starts. Plus, sept 1st isn't crazy early where recruits will be blown away on their first visit and just sign with the first team that offers.

And obviously, coaches would know how much stock to put into verbals that have verbal likes before sept 1 but did not sign at that deadline. Sorry for grammar, I'm at work and on my mobile.

I think there are a lot of issues with an early signing period. With that said, I'd like to see an early signing period that protects the student-athlete from other schools/recruiters but doesn't necessarily bind them to the school the same way a LOI does today.

 

[koonja]

I think there are a lot of issues with an early signing period. With that said, I'd like to see an early signing period that protects the student-athlete from other schools/recruiters but doesn't necessarily bind them to the school the same way a LOI does today.

That's why I think sept 1 of their senior year works. They have completed all of their camps so coaches have Evals, and they'd have time to take trips during the summer. If it was as early as, say, may 1st, hometown schools and harassing coaches would have huge advantage.

 

[IrishLax]

I have no idea why it is impossible for some other fans to admit ND > your school when it clearly is. You never see ND fans trying to say we're > Stanford or Harvard or the like despite the gap being MUCH smaller between those schools and ND than the gap between ND and a Miami, Iowa State, South Carolina, or myriad of other delusional fan bases who have tried to make that argument recently.

This is not belittling the other schools which are VERY good institutions of higher learning where you can get a GREAT education... just pointing out that it's OK to admit that you're a step or two below... and you just make yourself look foolish when you suggest otherwise without the facts to back it up. It's akin to a ND fan saying that South Bend has better weather than LA so they can't understand why a recruit who likes palm trees picked USC.

 

[bibigon]

I have no idea why it is impossible for some other fans to admit ND > your school when it clearly is. You never see ND fans trying to say we're > Stanford or Harvard or the like despite the gap being MUCH smaller between those schools and ND than the gap between ND and a Miami, Iowa State, South Carolina, or myriad of other delusional fan bases who have tried to make that argument recently.

This is not belittling the other schools which are VERY good institutions of higher learning where you can get a GREAT education... just pointing out that it's OK to admit that you're a step or two below... and you just make yourself look foolish when you suggest otherwise without the facts to back it up. It's akin to a ND fan saying that South Bend has better weather than LA so they can't understand why a recruit who likes palm trees picked USC.

You're kidding, right?

Something like educational quality is ephemeral concept that obviously people are going to have disagreements. When you get into regional differences (I bet you a Miami degree gets you further in Coral Gables than a Notre Dame degree), this isn't very surprising at all.

 

[STLDomer]

While we are talking education can somone fill me in on what this is?

“@TJamesNDI: This NCAA database list #NotreDame football's APR at 973 for 11-12 school year. NCAA - Academic Progress Rate "

“@TJamesNDI: Football programs listed with better APR scores than #NotreDame for 11-12 include #Bama, #OhioState, #Miami, #Stanford, #Clemson, #Wisconsin”

 

[Ironman8]

While we are talking education can somone fill me in on what this is?

“@TJamesNDI: This NCAA database list #NotreDame football's APR at 973 for 11-12 school year. NCAA - Academic Progress Rate "

“@TJamesNDI: Football programs listed with better APR scores than #NotreDame for 11-12 include #Bama, #OhioState, #Miami, #Stanford, #Clemson, #Wisconsin”

Division I - NCAA.org