Regarding the exodus of several of our top players/recruits from Notre Dame...

[South Jersey Domer]

It happens all the time with every top program, yes including Alabama. Players take a second look at the depth chart and come to a conclusion that they may not be able to see some playing time like they thought (i.e. Gunner Kiel), or probably may not have what it takes academically to succeed at the classes there (i.e. Everett Golson), or would rather play closer to home (i.e. Aaron Lynch), or some other reason.

For those of you thinking it will wreck the program instantaneously, it won't. Yes it is a setback because we are losing an impact player on offense from last year but we still have a good amount of high impact recruits staying at Notre Dame including Jaylon Smith and Greg Bryant among others.

Even though we made the National Championship game last year we were not at the position that we aim to be, which is be able to compete for National Championship EVERY YEAR! We got lucky because Everett Golson was a gem for us and our defense was 2nd in the entire country behind, who else, Alabama.

Let's keep bringing in quality recruits that want to come to Notre Dame and stay there, building our program back to a perennial National Championship contender.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Coaching is 75% of the battle in college football, and Notre Dame has a staff as fine as anybody's in the country. Relax folks.

There was a wave of conspiracy-like theories tossed around last night. Stop it. Each of these departures are have separate reasons and repercussions.

It's never as bad as it seems guys. Notre Dame will be fine.

 

[Buster Bluth]

For what it's worth, and I know I've stated it on here:

Within five minutes of meeting Carlos Hyde (OSU's starting RB), he asked me to write his English papers for him for the quarter. This shady stuff goes on everywhere, by athletes and regular students both. I'm proud that I root for a school that holds people accountable should they get caught though.

 

[ACamp1900]

For what it's worth, and I know I've stated it on here:

Within five minutes of meeting Carlos Hyde (OSU's starting RB), he asked me to write his English papers for him for the quarter. This shady stuff goes on everywhere, by athletes and regular students both. I'm proud that I root for a school that holds people accountable should they get caught though.

You should have 'wrote' his papers by downloading them from the Internet....

 

[tadman95]

For what it's worth, and I know I've stated it on here:

Within five minutes of meeting Carlos Hyde (OSU's starting RB), he asked me to write his English papers for him for the quarter. This shady stuff goes on everywhere, by athletes and regular students both. I'm proud that I root for a school that holds people accountable should they get caught though.

I'm out of Reps, just as well, this is a "Major Rep".

 

[ARALOU]

So we do know now that Golson cheated and that's why he is not enrolled? We know that he couldn't handle the academics at ND? I am not buying that. I still want to wait and see what he did.

 

[kmoose]

It happens all the time with every top program, yes including Alabama. Players take a second look at the depth chart and come to a conclusion that they may not be able to see some playing time like they thought (i.e. Gunner Kiel), or probably may not have what it takes academically to succeed at the classes there (i.e. Everett Golson), or would rather play closer to home (i.e. Aaron Lynch), or some other reason.

For those of you thinking it will wreck the program instantaneously, it won't. Yes it is a setback because we are losing an impact player on offense from last year but we still have a good amount of high impact recruits staying at Notre Dame including Jaylon Smith and Greg Bryant among others.

Even though we made the National Championship game last year we were not at the position that we aim to be, which is be able to compete for National Championship EVERY YEAR! We got lucky because Everett Golson was a gem for us and our defense was 2nd in the entire country behind, who else, Alabama.

Let's keep bringing in quality recruits that want to come to Notre Dame and stay there, building our program back to a perennial National Championship contender.

Honestly? I'd like to meet the kid that thinks he may not have what it takes, academically, to make it at Alabama.

 

[KPENN]

I'm out of Reps, just as well, this is a "Major Rep".

I took care of it.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I agree that this stuff happens and it isn't the end of the world. And usually I'm the first person to point that out when something like this happens. But I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't getting a little annoyed by it at this point. It just seems like its always something.

 

[Kanye West]

For what it's worth, and I know I've stated it on here:

Within five minutes of meeting Carlos Hyde (OSU's starting RB), he asked me to write his English papers for him for the quarter. This shady stuff goes on everywhere, by athletes and regular students both. I'm proud that I root for a school that holds people accountable should they get caught though.

My friend said that Travis Howard in like 5 minutes of talking offered him to smoke him up.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Guys, edit your posts to remove peoples' names. I'm serious. You can get sued for this ****.

 

[stlnd01]

I agree that this stuff happens and it isn't the end of the world. And usually I'm the first person to point that out when something like this happens. But I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't getting a little annoyed by it at this point. It just seems like its always something.

Yep.
If nothing else it creates the perception that something is seriously awry at Notre Dame, and that can (and will) be used against us in recruiting.

 

[irishpat183]

So we do know now that Golson cheated and that's why he is not enrolled? We know that he couldn't handle the academics at ND? I am not buying that. I still want to wait and see what he did.

Of course we would NEVER believe that our guy would cheat...


Aralou- welcome to college football. Even ND has cheaters

 

[ARALOU]

I don't need you to welcome me to college football. I don't need you to even welcome me to this board. All I am or was saying is that until EG came out with a statement that everything was speculation about why he wasn't enrolled.

 

[Fbolt]

These issues are a problem in my mind. There are too many data points suggesting something is not right within the program, and that points to Kelly. I hope I am wrong and only time will tell.

Kelly needs to fix this. If I wanted off-season drama, I'd be watching soap operas.

 

[Cackalacky]

These issues are a problem in my mind. There are too many data points suggesting something is not right within the program, and that points to Kelly. I hope I am wrong and only time will tell.

Kelly needs to fix this. If I wanted off-season drama, I'd be watching soap operas.

I agree. I smell smoke. I love Kelly. I love the staff. I love the guys we are getting but this is far too much drama in such a short period of time.

 

[Cackalacky]

Wow pat went out swinging. Is he gone for good?

 

[IrishMoore1]

Wow you guys are delusional. This is a major setback to the program and virtually eliminates the possibility of a championship run. That is the reality whether you choose to believe it or not.

Alabama oversigns every year and gets it pick of the crop from junior college. ND has none of those advantages, and when players leave, the program is severely hindered. Bama just plugs the next guy in, who is just as good or better than the previous player.

 

[Fbolt]

Thanks "Chicken Little"-much appreciated for your psychological insight.

 

[pkt77242]

Wow pat went out swinging. Is he gone for good?

I don't believe so. I think he is just getting a cold shower.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Don't know what Pat did, but it sounds delicious......

Dummy.... I kid.

 

[Irish#1]

Wow you guys are delusional. This is a major setback to the program and virtually eliminates the possibility of a championship run. That is the reality whether you choose to believe it or not.

Alabama oversigns every year and gets it pick of the crop from junior college. ND has none of those advantages, and when players leave, the program is severely hindered. Bama just plugs the next guy in, who is just as good or better than the previous player.

No one gave us a shot at the NC last year with EG. BK is building quality depth and every year the next group of incoming freshmen are better than the previous. I don't know what our record will be, but I bet it's not as bad as many think it will be.

 

[pumpdog20]

How does over-signing work? I've read on here that the BoT don't allow it. Do the "over-signed" pay their own way? Why wouldn't ND allow it, if that was the case?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

How does over-signing work? I've read on here that the BoT don't allow it. Do the "over-signed" pay their own way? Why wouldn't ND allow it, if that was the case?

"Oversigning" means signing more players to NLOIs in February than the team has available scholarships. The roster maximum of 85 scholarship players isn't enforced until later in the year, so coaches then have several months to make room; either by pushing out underperformers, or through the natural attrition we've had recently (Nichols took a medical, Golson left due to academics, Ferguson due to discipline, etc.)

We don't know for sure that the BoT doesn't allow it, but for whatever reason, we don't do it. It's risky because it involves some guess work. If the staff guesses wrong, we may be short a scholarship come the fall semester, and ND prides itself on honoring its scholarship commitments. A player who loses his scholarship this way could choose to pay his own tuition, but they'd be much be much more likely to transfer.

The argument in favor of some modest oversigning is that we almost always lose a few players in the off-season, and refusing to oversign essentially forces us to play with a reduced roster. That might not seem like a big deal, but the NCAA considers scholarship reductions to be a major sanction; we're basically self-sanctioning. Lax mentioned previously that we're projected to have fewer than 80 scholarship players for the 2013 season. That's a major disadvantage for us.

 

[RDU Irish]

Our odds of a title run this year are just as good as last year, maybe better since we are starting ranked in the Top 10. Golson was unproven last year and we had plenty of rough games that very easily could (or should - PITT) have ended in a loss. Even at the end we needed two teams to pee down their legs and open up the title game to us.

Aaron Lynch, Tee, Gberry, unproven quarterback, loss of Floyd ... gee seems we had some drama last offseason too.

 

[PANDFAN]

"Oversigning" means signing more players to NLOIs in February than the team has available scholarships. The roster maximum of 85 scholarship players isn't enforced until later in the year, so coaches then have several months to make room; either by pushing out underperformers, or through the natural attrition we've had recently (Nichols took a medical, Golson left due to academics, Ferguson due to discipline, etc.)

We don't know for sure that the BoT doesn't allow it, but for whatever reason, we don't do it. It's risky because it involves some guess work. If the staff guesses wrong, we may be short a scholarship come the fall semester, and ND prides itself on honoring its scholarship commitments. A player who loses his scholarship this way could choose to pay his own tuition, but they'd be much be much more likely to transfer.

The argument in favor of some modest oversigning is that we almost always lose a few players in the off-season, and refusing to oversign essentially forces us to play with a reduced roster. That might not seem like a big deal, but the NCAA considers scholarship reductions to be a major sanction; we're basically self-sanctioning. Lax mentioned previously that we're projected to have fewer than 80 scholarship players for the 2013 season. That's a major disadvantage for us.

i thought he was just buried on depth chart and then once his buddy left he left....did i miss something that was shared???

 

[IrishRugger2013]

i thought he was just buried on depth chart and then once his buddy left he left....did i miss something that was shared???

I heard weed from a bunch of people, but as always, these are just "rumors"