'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

Status
Not open for further replies.
NDPhilly

NDPhilly

Philly Torqued
Messages
16,441
Reaction score
16,721
0f98bc8013dac72c5bb114c0f0397f80.jpg
 
greyhammer90

greyhammer90

the drunk piano player
Messages
16,821
Reaction score
16,083
loomis41973 said:
Who is lighting it up that we have lost?
Click to expand...

Seriously?

They haven't been able to play. You know that. But are you going to sit here and act like losing Lynch, Devonte, Tee, Greenberry (sorry but I count it when it's a five star WR that goes to a conference USA team on signing day), Kiel, and now EV hasn't hurt the overall athleticism of the team? I call that being stubborn.
I'm not saying our coaching staff isn't doing a great job, because I think a lot of these kids would've never even considered us beforehand and the team is obviously working it's way up to being a dominant force, but if you can't admit these losses haven't stung/slowed-down the process then you're either stupid/stubborn or just trying to be argumentative with me.

Besides being premature, your question is nonsensical. There is a big difference between how a kid does at ND, with this coaching staff, versus how he would do at another school. I don't know how well Lynch would've done here last year, but something tells me he would've been a decent contributor on 3rd downs. (I know, I know, "He didn't play assignment football", "he was a liability on running plays". Sorry, but that sounds like sour grapes to me. We were all singing his praises before he transferred and it looks as though his athleticism hasn't gone unnoticed judging from his appearance in multiple first-round draft boards.)
 
TheChosen1

TheChosen1

New member
Messages
2,754
Reaction score
113
Sherm Sticky said:
Shrug...he is a 17 or 18 year old kid who is graduating hs, going to his prom and in two months will be halfway around the country from home. It happens, i'm not worried.
Click to expand...

I'm siding with this as well. I remember when I was graduating high school and prom season. I didn't want to leave or didn't want anyone to go.
 
Crazy Balki

Crazy Balki

Site Assigned Optimist
Messages
7,868
Reaction score
4,477
Jaylon Smith is on the case...Just as I thought, literally 0% chances he not in SB in June.
 
loomis41973

loomis41973

Banned
Messages
4,055
Reaction score
203
greyhammer90 said:
Seriously?

They haven't been able to play. You know that. But are you going to sit here and act like losing Lynch, Devonte, Tee, Greenberry (sorry but I count it when it's a five star WR that goes to a conference USA team on signing day), Kiel, and now EV hasn't hurt the overall athleticism of the team? I call that being stubborn.
I'm not saying our coaching staff isn't doing a great job, because I think a lot of these kids would've never even considered us beforehand and the team is obviously working it's way up to being a dominant force, but if you can't admit these losses haven't stung/slowed-down the process then you're either stupid/stubborn or just trying to be argumentative with me.

Besides being premature, your question is nonsensical. There is a big difference between how a kid does at ND, with this coaching staff, versus how he would do at another school. I don't know how well Lynch would've done here last year, but something tells me he would've been a decent contributor on 3rd downs. (I know, I know, "He didn't play assignment football", "he was a liability on running plays". Sorry, but that sounds like sour grapes to me. We were all singing his praises before he transferred and it looks as though his athleticism hasn't gone unnoticed judging from his appearance in multiple first-round draft boards.)
Click to expand...


Guess i'm stupid..

"They haven't been able to play"...check..so..not lighting it up....have not proved a thing


"Slowed down the process" Ummm. i think we were in the NC game last year, if my feeble mind remebers correctly.

Team chemistry is more important than "stars" any day of the week
 
STLDomer

STLDomer

Schmitty
Messages
9,426
Reaction score
549
“@SacBee_JoeD: I did get this from Vanderdoes family: grades, eligibility or conduct/character "is not and has never been an issue."”

This is the guy you're gonna want to follow for info
 
TheChosen1

TheChosen1

New member
Messages
2,754
Reaction score
113
STLDomer said:
“@SacBee_JoeD: I did get this from Vanderdoes family: grades, eligibility or conduct/character "is not and has never been an issue."”

This is the guy you're gonna want to follow for info
Click to expand...

Uummm yeah I just said that
 
greyhammer90

greyhammer90

the drunk piano player
Messages
16,821
Reaction score
16,083
loomis41973 said:
Guess i'm stupid..

"They haven't been able to play"...check..so..not lighting it up....have not proved a thing


"Slowed down the process" Ummm. i think we were in the NC game last year, if my feeble mind remebers correctly.

Team chemistry is more important than "stars" any day of the week
Click to expand...

So how far do we take it under your logic? At what point are "stars" important? What about if Cierre decided he wanted to be with his little girl? What if Golson didn't want to redshirt and leaves for the ACC? How about if Tuitt missed his girlfriend in Georgia and left?

Would I be allowed to admit that those losses "stung"? Or am I still not allowed to say that they were good players that I'm going to miss because they hurt team chemistry?

I'm not saying the sky is falling and that this team is not good. I'm saying exactly what I said in my first post on the matter, we are hemorrhaging top-flight recruits at a rate of 1-2 a year. That hurts any team, and I hope we are able to stop the pattern.
 
Irishman77

Irishman77

Well-known member
Messages
5,132
Reaction score
445
greyhammer90 said:
So how far do we take it under your logic? At what point are "stars" important? What about if Cierre decided he wanted to be with his little girl? What if Golson didn't want to redshirt and leaves for the ACC? How about if Tuitt missed his girlfriend in Georgia and left?

Would I be allowed to admit that those losses "stung"? Or am I still not allowed to say that they were good players that I'm going to miss because they hurt team chemistry?

I'm not saying the sky is falling and that this team is not good. I'm saying exactly what I said in my first post on the matter, we are hemorrhaging top-flight recruits at a rate of 1-2 a year. That hurts any team, and I hope we are able to stop the pattern.
Click to expand...

I wish every 5 star loved ND and had the grades, but that is not reality. We got 3 other 5 star s coming in if star ratings are most important to you. I will go out on a limb and say there will be 3 others in the class overachieve them.

I thought the sky was falling when lynch left but I learned we are much bigger than that. Kelly and staff have developed a culture here and we will be competing for the title every year. Go Irish!!!
 
Redbar

Redbar

Well-known member
Messages
3,531
Reaction score
806
I hate to comment when a situation is in flux, but I guess I'll try to make a couple of points:
1.) I am hoping this is just a case of nerves and doubt which can be very natural at this crossroads in life. Hopefully Eddie will face this and get on the plane. If he does and comes with the mindset to make the best of things I feel very confident that he will realize that by choosing the road less travelled, it will make all the difference.
2.) I am curious how, short of an admission, does one prove tampering, and who would have to report suspicion? Has it ever been proven? What were the consequences? How long did it take to rap that up?
3.) Finally, I think it would be wise to limit the talk of consequences to Eddie, although there may be some, if he opts to not report. Like I said his feelings are probably pretty normal for a lot of graduating seniors and he is part of OUR team and OUR Irish Family, until he isn't.
 
Irish YJ

Irish YJ

Southsida
Messages
25,888
Reaction score
1,444
greyhammer90 said:
So how far do we take it under your logic? At what point are "stars" important? What about if Cierre decided he wanted to be with his little girl? What if Golson didn't want to redshirt and leaves for the ACC? How about if Tuitt missed his girlfriend in Georgia and left?

Would I be allowed to admit that those losses "stung"? Or am I still not allowed to say that they were good players that I'm going to miss because they hurt team chemistry?

I'm not saying the sky is falling and that this team is not good. I'm saying exactly what I said in my first post on the matter, we are hemorrhaging top-flight recruits at a rate of 1-2 a year. That hurts any team, and I hope we are able to stop the pattern.
Click to expand...

^word
 
D

DillonHall

Tommy 12-2
Messages
3,093
Reaction score
1,737
loomis41973 said:
No need to get your thong in a wad.

No..

..and?


How many other teams made it?
Click to expand...

I'll take the high road and avoid the smart *** comments.

The gap between ND and a championship is still sizable, as evidenced by the NC game. We need to continue upgrading the talent on the team, especially on the D-line. This is especially important, as it's possible that both Tuitt and Nix will leave after this season.

Stars absolutely do matter in college football. You have to be blind to not see the correlation between recruiting and on-field success.

Additionally, I think that it's premature and unfair to suggest that EV would disrupt team chemistry. He's still trying to figure out his future, and I understand that it's more difficult for some. Let's see what happens before we start attacking his character.
 
NDdomer2

NDdomer2

Local Sports vBookie
Messages
17,050
Reaction score
3,875
to me the fact Jaylon is "reaching out" makes me feel this is already over andwe are ask justwaiting to hear it from horses mouth.

got some holes on the dline going forward. I'm praying for Tuitt staying after this year.
 
loomis41973

loomis41973

Banned
Messages
4,055
Reaction score
203
DillonHall said:
I'll take the high road and avoid the smart *** comments.



Additionally, I think that it's premature and unfair to suggest that EV would disrupt team chemistry. He's still trying to figure out his future, and I understand that it's more difficult for some. Let's see what happens before we start attacking his character.
Click to expand...


I have never wanted to play, work, employ...etc to someone who wasn't "all in"

Guess i demand too much
 
Kaneyoufeelit

Kaneyoufeelit

Bowl Eligible
Messages
4,440
Reaction score
635
loomis41973 said:
I have never wanted to play, work, employ...etc to someone who wasn't "all in"

Guess i demand too much
Click to expand...

The problem with your argument is that when these guys have left us we haven't been able to fill that spot with anyone. It would be different if the situation was one in which we were choosing between a more-talented-less-committed-headcase-player and a less-talented-more-committed-ND-man. But we aren't choosing. These guys had one of 85 scholarships available to the team and when they leave it kills our depth. See the national championship game
 
Last edited:
Ndaccountant

Ndaccountant

Old Hoss
Messages
8,370
Reaction score
5,771
If he shows up, he better stay. I do not want another al drama of will he be back each time he goes home
 
B

Bluto

Well-known member
Messages
8,146
Reaction score
3,979
Must have gotten some action at prom...cue The Nuge with Wang Dang Sweet Poontang!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top