Men who are physically strong are more likely to have right wing political views

[IrishJayhawk]

I think that is EXACTLY what is being sold.... If it was presented as just one or two thing then there would be little issue... What is and has been said is Obamacare is really a conservative plan from the Clinton era...

Okay. But I am just a lazy liar.

 

[ACamp1900]

Obamacare was actually a "corn-brained conservative idea"

Okay. But I am just a lazy liar.

If that's what you want to call yourself so be it... I didn't call you a damn thing... Maybe reading your sides own posts might help???

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Neither of you get it.

I didn't say it was the ONLY. I said that it's not suprising that people that take care of themselves physically, tend to think along the lines of a party that claims they're all about hardwork and success.

School. Reallly? If that is your idea of "hard work" then you are really detactched from the real world. Yes, it takes work to get through school, I don't discredit that....but that's nothing compared to the real world. Come on. I wish college was as hard as life was gonna get. Gimmie a break.

There are plenty of over educated lazy asses out there. And those that go back to school becuase they can't find work.

Whatever fits your pre-existing narrative.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

If that's what you want to call yourself so be it... I didn't call you a damn thing... Maybe reading your sides own posts might help???

I was actually just trying to be funny.

 

[ACamp1900]

I was actually just trying to be funny.

Fair enough... I took you for serious... My bad.

 

[phgreek]

They didn't really abandon it. It was still a republican idea, which is why Obama included it in the plan. It was an attempt to garner bipartisan support. Once he talked about it, as McConnell would have wanted, they turned on it.


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Also, I found it amusing how they reacted to the mandate. It's not that they just decided it was a bad idea. It was an indication that Obama was Stalin-like.

When was the last time it was brought to the floor for a vote by Republicans...dude just because there is a small caucus of people with an "R" who might like an idea, its not "R".

If you are saying it was an "R" idea because it was first uttered by someone who was an "R"...well who could argue that...the point is it wasn't given the time of day by broader "R" since Hillarycare imploded. Could McConnell have driven support...there is a chance had the party threatened to pull support for people on the next election cycle, but short of that...no, I don't think so.

and yea...the world of DC is to villanize and sloganize...you really shocked . I mean to hear Obama and his press corps tell it ...sequestration was a republican idea...WHAT?

 

[irishpat183]

Whatever fits your pre-existing narrative.

Oh come on!

Like I said...I'm not saying cons work any harder than dems. It's just the "appearence" of that.

Face it, dems are identified with social entitlements and welfare. Reps are identified with corporate greed and money.

Not saying this is right or wrong...it's how it is.

 

[irishpat183]

When was the last time it was brought to the floor for a vote by Republicans...dude just because there is a small caucus of people with an "R" who might like an idea, its not "R".

If you are saying it was an "R" idea because it was first uttered by someone who was an "R"...well who could argue that...the point is it wasn't given the time of day by broader "R" since Hillarycare imploded. Could McConnell have driven support...there is a chance had the party threatened to pull support for people on the next election cycle, but short of that...no, I don't think so.

and yea...the world of DC is to villanize and sloganize...you really shocked . I mean to hear Obama and his press corps tell it ...sequestration was a republican idea...WHAT?

Exactly.

It's like saying that Democrats started the KKK....Which they did, but they weren't today's democrats.

 

[connect the dots]

Not sure if we're disagreeing...but I was referring in part to his positions when he was a Senator. It's possible to want to invade more than one country over time.

Kennedy became a US Senator during the Eisenhower administration. To end the Korean conflict, and later, to protect Formosa(Taiwan), I could see President Eisenhower threatening to use our nuclear arsenal to deter Chinese aggression. As a Senator, I do not recall Kennedy advocating a position on China. As President, the India/China border dispute would have been a concern. But invasion of China, or use of nuclear weapons, would not have been an option. Politically, the Chinese have proven to be very practical. With India, and later Vietnam, the Chinese make their point, and back off. The same is true of Taiwan. Look at how they have handled Hong Kong and Macao.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I would make out with Obamacare, that is how much I love it. Number one thing I love about it? How much conservatives hate it. It's like these supposed "scandals" that the media is all lathered up about right now. These "scandals" are, by any objective measure, somewhere between a 1 and a 1.5 on a 10 point scandal scale (if they would even register at all), and conservatives are stroking out about it. It's the best.

 

[IrishLax]

I would make out with Obamacare, that is how much I love it. Number one thing I love about it? How much conservatives hate it. It's like these supposed "scandals" that the media is all lathered up about right now. These "scandals" are, by any objective measure, somewhere between a 1 and a 1.5 on a 10 point scandal scale (if they would even register at all), and conservatives are stroking out about it. It's the best.

This post epitomizes what is wrong with politics. You love stuff because "the other side" hates it... awesome, dude. That's a great way to approach life.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Oh come on!

Like I said...I'm not saying cons work any harder than dems. It's just the "appearence" of that.

Face it, dems are identified with social entitlements and welfare. Reps are identified with corporate greed and money.

Not saying this is right or wrong...it's how it is.

Dude, I used the winky face.

 

[irishpat183]

I would make out with Obamacare, that is how much I love it. Number one thing I love about it? How much conservatives hate it. It's like these supposed "scandals" that the media is all lathered up about right now. These "scandals" are, by any objective measure, somewhere between a 1 and a 1.5 on a 10 point scandal scale (if they would even register at all), and conservatives are stroking out about it. It's the best.

This post epitomizes what is wrong with politics. You love stuff because "the other side" hates it... awesome, dude. That's a great way to approach life.

And the way he dismisses scandals that he deems unimportant.....Yet had the IRS gone after Unions or Media Matters, or if Bush had probed into MSNBC's emails.....

You hit the nail on the head. This is the problem.


And the "Lone Wolf" is better than that....

 

[Cackalacky]

I believe Bogs made this point a long time ago, but DC has an innate ability to rehash, regurgitate, and reinstate policies of times bygone. Hell even the parties morph over time. I remember Southern Democrats (a very strange historical entity) were pro-slavery and anti-Republican and Northern Democrat in the 19th century.

And btw I have never seen such a schizophrenic thread....LOL

 

[Rhode Irish]

This post epitomizes what is wrong with politics. You love stuff because "the other side" hates it... awesome, dude. That's a great way to approach life.

Well, on its merits there is a lot I like about it. But the opposition to it has been so dishonest and subversive that I have to admit to a good amount of schadenfreude with respect to the futile conservative outrage. In general, I do agree with your idea here that as long as the discourse remains so toxic a lot of our problems will remain impossible to solve. Or at least I used to, then I realized that the other side was so far off the reservation that it was pointless. So now I'll gladly twist the knife whenever I can, because it just takes more energy than I have to try to pretend like the insane **** the other side is saying is worthy of real consideration.

 

[irishpat183]

Well, on its merits there is a lot I like about it. But the opposition to it has been so dishonest and subversive that I have to admit to a good amount of schadenfreude with respect to the futile conservative outrage. In general, I do agree with your idea here that as long as the discourse remains so toxic a lot of our problems will remain impossible to solve. Or at least I used to, then I realized that the other side was so far off the reservation that it was pointless. So now I'll gladly twist the knife whenever I can, because it just takes more energy than I have to try to pretend like the insane **** the other side is saying is worthy of real consideration.

Not all of it. If you seriously think its all just one big great government idea....you're crazy.

And how the hell could we call it a great idea and like it...if nobody read it in the first place?

Because i know that there is probably not ONE person on here that read that thing from front to back. You, like most of us, picked what you did like and went with that. Which makes you no different from the guy that bashes it for his own reasons.

 

[Cackalacky]

Well, on its merits there is a lot I like about it. But the opposition to it has been so dishonest and subversive that I have to admit to a good amount of schadenfreude with respect to the futile conservative outrage. In general, I do agree with your idea here that as long as the discourse remains so toxic a lot of our problems will remain impossible to solve. Or at least I used to, then I realized that the other side was so far off the reservation that it was pointless. So now I'll gladly twist the knife whenever I can, because it just takes more energy than I have to try to pretend like the insane **** the other side is saying is worthy of real consideration.

 

[irishpat183]

Well, on its merits there is a lot I like about it. But the opposition to it has been so dishonest and subversive that I have to admit to a good amount of schadenfreude with respect to the futile conservative outrage. In general, I do agree with your idea here that as long as the discourse remains so toxic a lot of our problems will remain impossible to solve. Or at least I used to, then I realized that the other side was so far off the reservation that it was pointless. So now I'll gladly twist the knife whenever I can, because it just takes more energy than I have to try to pretend like the insane **** the other side is saying is worthy of real consideration.

Says the guy in the state that bans sodas......

 

[Cackalacky]

Says the guy in the state that bans sodas......

Sodas are ****ing killers man.

 

[phgreek]

I would make out with Obamacare, that is how much I love it. Number one thing I love about it? How much conservatives hate it. It's like these supposed "scandals" that the media is all lathered up about right now. These "scandals" are, by any objective measure, somewhere between a 1 and a 1.5 on a 10 point scandal scale (if they would even register at all), and conservatives are stroking out about it. It's the best.

I'm SLOWLY learning when you are trolling and when you have a serious point to make...even for slow learners like me, ...you Trollin'.

on a serious note...no one should take the IRS doing what they did lightly, nor the failure of command and control in Benghazi. Those failures aren't up for interpretation or politics. You can't be the IRS and apply partisan "tests" for scrutiny. You can't run the state department and fail to "know" crucial details...it isn't acceptable, and leaders get canned every day in industry and DoD because they didn't "Know". As for the AP...like watching Jones and Mccarron "fight"...same team, so nothing of import comes out of this because who is going to be the groundswell to push it beyond a political dog and pony??? The AP???...yea like Jones was going to demand Mccaron get benched.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Sorry for the even-more-ornery-than-usual attitude today. I'm even a little more agitated today than I usually am. Negotiating the terms for the purchase of our first house today, and apparently it is a lot less stressful to negotiate deals for other people than it is to do it for yourself. Mea culpa on the whole "I want the other side to get so angry that they spontaneously combust" bit. Was supposed to be all in good fun.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Well, on its merits there is a lot I like about it. But the opposition to it has been so dishonest and subversive that I have to admit to a good amount of schadenfreude with respect to the futile conservative outrage. In general, I do agree with your idea here that as long as the discourse remains so toxic a lot of our problems will remain impossible to solve. Or at least I used to, then I realized that the other side was so far off the reservation that it was pointless. So now I'll gladly twist the knife whenever I can, because it just takes more energy than I have to try to pretend like the insane **** the other side is saying is worthy of real consideration.

 

[Cackalacky]

Sorry for the even-more-ornery-than-usual attitude today. I'm even a little more agitated today than I usually am. Negotiating the terms for the purchase of our first house today, and apparently it is a lot less stressful to negotiate deals for other people than it is to do it for yourself. Mea culpa on the whole "I want the other side to get so angry that they spontaneously combust" bit. Was supposed to be all in good fun.

You don't have to apologize to anyone Lone Wolf.

 

[IrishLax]

OT: Cackalacky I'm heading down to Charleston tonight and you avatar is getting my hype. See you on King Street, homie.

 

[Cackalacky]

OT: Cackalacky I'm heading down to Charleston tonight and you avatar is getting my hype. See you on King Street, homie.

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Perfect weather. PM Me. The Angel Oak bids you welcome.

 

[chicago51]

So the "problem" with Obamacare is that cost are going to go up.

Lets assume that true.

So many were okay with cost going up in the past. By the way one of the biggest reasons cost have gone up is that CEOs and the health insurance companies themselves have been making record profits.

Now ACA says no more record profits; if your profits are too high the customers get a rebate. Depending on the reginal cost 80-85% of premium now has to be used on health care. So now the cost going to go up to insure the uninusred. Some are very outraged.

So it was okay that cost went up before because health insurance CEOs could give themselves huge bonuses but now it is not okay that cost may go up because we give a subsidy to a low income family to pay for part of their premium or God forbid allow insurance to be purchased by somebody that is actually sick with a pre-existing condition.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm gonna laugh so hard when certain Obama bumper sticker, silver spoon LIBS see their loved ones denied coverage due to the bill they didn't read, yet supported anyway, simply because it made fellow Americans mad...

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[autry_denson]

I'm gonna laugh so hard when these Obama bumper sticker, silver spoon LIBS see their loved ones denied critical coverage due to the bill they didn't read, yet supported anyway, simply because it made fellow Americans mad...

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[autry_denson]

I'm gonna laugh so hard when these Obama bumper sticker, silver spoon LIBS see their loved ones denied critical coverage due to the bill they didn't read, yet supported anyway, simply because it made fellow Americans mad...

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I'm actually pretty critical of this bill - your scenario reflects a misunderstanding of how it will work, but regardless of that it doesn't address long-term issues of sustainability. that said, this post is tough to read.

 

[ACamp1900]

Your response clearly shows you misunderstood the meaning of the post...