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'14 NJ CB Jabrill Peppers (Michigan Verbal)
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Cal. Shockingly few schools wanted him late in the cycle so he picked the one that would take his commitment... even though they didn't have a coach at the time.
The kid is fast and runs hard but VERY undersized. In the right scheme (like an Oregon?) could dominate though.
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10.36 Apparently.
Speed in context: How fast are the Atkinsons? | Inside the Irish
Josh, forever second, 10.39
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I'm just happy for the kid he saw through all the bs and will receive a great education from Stanford or Michigan.
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GB you can't be referring to urban can you
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Michigan generally only offers a solid education to those who don't play football for them. Stanford, even though it doesn't have such a great football atmosphere, is arguably the most valuable academic brand in the world outside Harvard. Hard to question anyone who makes that call.
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Michigan is a great school. Period. Michigan offers a great education to those who really want it. Michigan takes almost any kid that passes the NCAA clearinghouse minimums. Stanford on the other hand does not, they have much tougher academic requirements for their athletes. That's the biggest difference in my opinion.
You can still get a great education as a football player at Michigan, but they aren't exactly taking the brightest and best of the football athletes like Stanford is. Would Denard Robinson have been admitted to Stanford out of high school? Probably not. There are tons of football players that get into Michigan by the skin of their teeth and pass the NCAA clearinghouse minimums that would just never get into Stanford.
If there is a great football prospect that is also a great student and wants to get a great education and play at the highest level of college football, Michigan can definitely provide that. College is all what these kids make of it. It's sad to say, but I'd venture to say that the majority of the top college football recruits don't want to challenge themselves academically. Most look at college as a means to an end, that end being the NFL.
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Michigan Academics for Athletes...
Michigan Academics for Athletes...
First, there is no chance Denard would have been admitted to Stanford.
Secondly, Michigan directs its athletes to a select few majors. Look through their roster. The upperclassmen kids are either in College of Literature, Science, and the Arts or in Kinesiology. There is a scholarship place kicker, who is the son of physician parents, and a walk-on lineman who are engineering students. Notre Dame has much more diversity among its student athletes which indicates that there is greater freedom to choose your individual academic path. There have certainly been high profile players like Tim Ruddy and Jabari Holloway who completed engineering degrees at Notre Dame where there was special mention of them missing practice because of lab work, etc.
Michigan Academics for Athletes...
First, there is no chance Denard would have been admitted to Stanford.
Secondly, Michigan directs its athletes to a select few majors. Look through their roster. The upperclassmen kids are either in College of Literature, Science, and the Arts or in Kinesiology. There is a scholarship place kicker, who is the son of physician parents, and a walk-on lineman who are engineering students. Notre Dame has much more diversity among its student athletes which indicates that there is greater freedom to choose your individual academic path. There have certainly been high profile players like Tim Ruddy and Jabari Holloway who completed engineering degrees at Notre Dame where there was special mention of them missing practice because of lab work, etc.
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What's your frame of reference? It's a large state school with some elite graduate programs. But UM's football players aren't receiving graduate degrees. For African American recruits, UM isn't even in the top 20 for degree value among BCS schools. That's embarrassing for a school that pretends to academic excellence.
You sound like the 'Bama fans that claim their program is providing a public service by giving such kids "a chance". And is Stanford somehow cheating by maintaining academic standards? That's been the NCAA model for decades.
More hand-waving bullsh!t. The average undergraduate degree from Michigan isn't worth nearly as much as one from Stanford or ND. Period.
It's not only sad, but stupid, because only ~2% of Division I football players get drafted. For the vast majority of such athletes, college is the end of the line. "Cashing in" means attending the institution that offers you the best degree value, as that's the only compensation these guys are going to receive for their athletic skills. There are lots of schools offering much better compensation than Michigan.
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10.36 Apparently.
Speed in context: How fast are the Atkinsons? | Inside the Irish
Josh, forever second, 10.39
Just a quick note:
Josh and George are fast, but those times are wind aided (greater than 2 meters per second tail winds), so they would not be eligible for World or American records (e.g. Bolt could run 9.39 with a 2.1 tail wind and it would not be a world record; it would be considered the worlds fastest time under any circumstances).
Judging by the picture, Peppers 100 was FAT (about .24s slower than hand, but considered the "right" time; i.e you have to add .24s to hand times... and even then some will not accept them as legit). Though I can't find a wind index, that is blazing. The kid is not only a great football player, but a great athlete.
Note: Interestingly enough I don't see any result of him running 10.48 (Jabrill Peppers - NJRunners.com), though sometimes results are slow to come out on the personal pages. It could also have been run at a smaller meet (probably not because of the nice time board... but) whose results sometimes are not posted online.
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Legit 10.48 as a high school junior? That's blazingly fast, like, world-class-sprinter fast. For some perspective, that time would have won him the gold medal at the 2011 World Youth Championships, the same event at which Ronald Darby (remember him) took 4th with a 10.61. Yes, that means Peppers would have been the fastest sprinter in the world had he been the same age as Darby. Marvin Bracy, the former FSU wideout who recently announced he's giving up football to become a professional sprinter, had a high school best non-wind-aided time of 10.42 seconds - and this is a guy with legitimate Olympic aspirations. A 10.48 100 for a 210 pound junior in high school whose main sport is not track and field is astoundingly, mind-blowingly fast.
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You don't know if it's FAT. Once you add the correction time (even more if it's hand start, electric finish) it could be far less awesome.
I agree with you though entirely if it's FAT. That's ridiculous speed.
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I'm trying to sift through my knowledge of the track and field jargon and figure out what the heck FAT means, but I lose.
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Oh no not facts!
Quick, someone pull out that "world reputation ranking" thing that is largely based on grad school to help the Michigan fan justify his subjective opinions about the awesomeness of Michigan's undergrad.
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The truth is that Michigan is no more selective than Miami (Florida) for the average student... or football player... regardless of what their fans tell you.
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Oh I thought someone on here had confirmed that it was FAT. Maybe I misread. But you're right - if it's not FAT then it's not nearly as impressive. Even still, he'd probably be in the 10.7ish range, which is still screaming fast for a kid his size and age. If the 10.48 is FAT though, we're looking at a kid who may have the size and raw athletic ability (NOT the skills or maturity or anything else) to play in the NFL right now, at age 17. I don't recall a recruit who you could say that about and keep a straight face... ever.
And for whoever asked, FAT is fully automated timing. It's basically what people mean when they talk about laser-timed 40s, and is used in every major racing competition for all sports (track, swimming, horse racing, etc.) in the world. It generally produces a significantly slower, but much more accurate, time than a hand timer.
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Ha...me too.
See post above yours
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...and they're both pretty good schools.
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Indeed, that gets lost sometimes in our fandom.
Unfortunately, especially for Miami, through the years they have had no problems trading their academic cache for on the field success. It's really sad, and if I was someone who worked my *** off to be accepted/graduate I would be beyond pissed.
I don't understand how their alumni allows it to go on.
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I thought Shannon did a very solid job academically speaking at Miami.
He did, but for a program that's had the on-field success Miami has, 28-22 isn't gonna get it done. Coaches are hired first and foremost to win on the field. No amount of success in the classroom can make up for losing. Not necessarily the way it should be, but certainly the way it is.
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Thats blowing this a bit out of proportion. 10.48 FAT is blazing, but to say its World (Junior) Class is a bit of a stretch. To be considered youth you must be 17 or younger December 31st of the next year (aka must be 17 all year), so I'm not sure I'd label Peppers as a youth. Keep in mind these things are only offered every two years. To me he is a junior (19 or younger all year) for this year and next. In that case his preformance is amazing, but not world class- around 10.1x for juniors. Bracy ran 10.05 as a junior. (And 10.19 as a youth wind aided). He was much better than his 10.42, as he showed the next year.
At any rate Peppers is only about top 30 in the US if that 10.48 is legit (2013 National Outdoor 100 High School Track and Field Rankings - DyeStat.com TFX - The Internet Home of High School Track, Field and Cross Country) it includes wind aided times, but I'm not sure that Peppers time isnt wind aided.
Anyway, I digress. He's fast on the track. Let's just see if that translated to the football field (it doesn't always).
And to be truthful I don't think he ran 10.48. I think thats a clock malfunction (not displaying the finishing time yet). Since I can't find results of a 10.48 anyway. He did run 10.87 this weekend and his PR is 10.77. Still a fast dude.
Fully automatic timing. It using a camera that is "hooked" to the the starting gun to record time. It is much more accurate and is official.
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Yes, exactly. They're both pretty good. Like a lot of schools.
Don't hear Miami calling themselves the Harvard of the Southeast though. And that encapsulates what's annoying about Michigan.
Okay I wasn't aware of the qualifications for the Junior Championships. He turns 18 in October, so apparently would not be eligible for the 2013 Championships. The 2011 gold medalist ran a 10.51, so I don't think it's necessarily blowing it out of proportion given that his time, if legit and if he were 3 months younger, would have won him a gold medal. But you're right, when we get to this level of track speed on the football field, the numbers don't really matter. All you need to say is "really f*cking fast."
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Yeah. After reading my post it sounded kind of d!ckish. I apologize I get really fired up about track and sometimes forget this isn't a track board (like most of the boards Im on).
To be honest, I'm not buying the 10.48 yet until I find it on the net. But even if he has only run 10.77 he still plenty fast to be a stud CB.