'12 AZ WR Davonte Neal (Arizona Transfer)

[dublinirish]

he probably will get his waiver if he moves to a AZ school.

 

[PANDFAN]

What are the odds Davonte is cleared to play immediately upon transferring? Does the NCAA often approve hardship waivers in these types of cases (transferring to be close to child)?

Idk didn't work out for spencer boyd

 

[IrishJayhawk]

So he is from AZ and now a CA school is a better fit....something stinks.

Interesting, he'd be a perfect fit for the offense in Tucson.

 

[NDohio]

This is the kind of thing I am talking about. I know pregancy happens when you least expect it in real life. Though I believe it is 100% avoidable, (maybe I should add, without abstenance.)




You don't know if there is a bit of truth in anything you are saying. Because everything about this situation is suposition or repetition. The only thing we know is that his father says is that a school in California, is closer to home, in otherwords a better fit! Excuse me, a school from California is a better fit. LOL!




IrishSteel, don't even go there. I have too much respect for you. I am purposly not getting rapped up into the morality of things. This is just about making things work. Jamoris did it. Cierre did it, and got his degree! My feeling is, and I would tell my sons this, if you are going to put yourself behind, come up with a new plan to dig yourself out! If your origninal plan was good enough, and you are letting something like this knock you off, then you are on your way down. If your old plan wasn't what you wanted, be honest.

Does anyone know how school was going for him? Isn't this about that time?

I thought I saw on here somewhere that CW did not get his degree. I'll do some looking.

Doesn't take away from your point, just trying to keep all the facts straight.


EDIT: Found the quote, but also found the truth. Carry on ......

 

[ND NYC]

IMO a true "ND Man" (as some like to say here) would:
get married to the mother and move momma and baby up to South Bend raise the kid themselves while DN continued on with his education. that would be taking full responsibility for your actions.

my take on all this:
like so many "kids having kids" these days the real reason he is moving back to be "close with family" is this:

DN and baby momma are gonna get close to extended family so they can have the babys grandmas, grandpas take care of the kid for devonte and his babby momma.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

DN and baby momma are gonna get close to extended family so they can have the babys grandmas, grandpas take care of the kid for devonte and his babby momma.

Do you have kids? Family support is invaluable. I don't know how my wife and I would get by without it.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

IMO a true "ND Man" (as some like to say here) would:
get married to the mother and move momma and baby up to South Bend raise the kid themselves while DN continued on with his education. that would be taking full responsibility for your actions.

my take on all this:
like so many "kids having kids" these days the real reason he is moving back to be "close with family" is this:

DN and baby momma are gonna get close to extended family so they can have the babys grandmas, grandpas take care of the kid for devonte and his babby momma.

 

[Cali_domer]

+1, thank goodness for family support!

 

[irishff1014]

Do you have kids? Family support is invaluable. I don't know how my wife and I would get by without it.

REPS. Family is very help with kids.

 

[ND NYC]

Do you have kids? Family support is invaluable. I don't know how my wife and I would get by without it.

i have 4 kids.
and my wife and i raised em all ourselves.

imagine that!

 

[ND NYC]

SoCal you can gif me all you want, i've seen it over and over.
young kids in late teens have a baby together, they arenot married and all of a sudden these kids expect other people in their family to parent and raise the kid they had.

 

[arrowryan]

SoCal you can gif me all you want, i've seen it over and over.
young kids in late teens have a baby together, they arenot married and all of a sudden these kids expect other people in their family to parent and raise the kid they had.

I kinda agree. That is how most people are my age (I'm 18), but i know some people my age that are very good parents

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

What is the difference between taking a kid to daycare while one goes to work/school and taking a kid to family members while one work/school?

 

[Fbolt]

You have to be kidding me NYC... So Mr. Egocentric, we should all be like you? Neg rep that crazy thought. That baby momma **** was over the top and in extremely bad form IMO.

 

[arrowryan]

What is the difference between taking a kid to daycare while one goes to work/school and taking a kid to family members while one work/school?

That's a good point but it's the maturity of the parents you have to look at. Who would be more mature, two parents in their mid 30s with actual jobs. or two 19 year old parents living it up in college?

Two 19 year old kids would be much more dependent, maybe even over dependent, of their parnet sto watch the kid.

 

[Grahambo]

Do you have kids? Family support is invaluable. I don't know how my wife and I would get by without it.

It is invaluable no doubt. I have two kids and was in the military and never was around my family nor my wife's as we moved around a few times. We had a support system wherever we went with friends and such and I assume Neal is no different with the ND family. I don't buy it as the only reason for him leaving, especially if he is looking at a school in California.

Didn't he just have a few guys over to AZ during Spring break to prepare for the season? I may be in the minority but I just see it as the excuse being used. BK wouldn't go in depth and didn't seem too happy about it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that but there's more to it.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

That's a good point but it's the maturity of the parents you have to look at. Who would be more mature, two parents in their mid 30s with actual jobs. or two 19 year old parents living it up in college?

Two 19 year old kids would be much more dependent, maybe even over dependent, of their parnet sto watch the kid.

I agree a teen is most likely not going to know how to be a parent but I'm lost at how we went from generalities to DN is trying to give up his duty as a parent without knowing anything about his situation.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

i have 4 kids.
and my wife and i raised em all ourselves.

imagine that!

I understood what you were getting at. Lots of teen parents aren't mature enough to take on the responsibilities of parenthood, so they dump the kid on the grandparents to minimize the impact on their own lives. That's often best for the child, and understandable on a certain level, but it's also a contemptible dereliction of duty.

That said, having the support of family is hugely helpful, particularly to teenage parents. It's not fair to Davonte to assume that he and his girlfriend are simply looking to dump the kid on someone else so they can party.

Didn't he just have a few guys over to AZ during Spring break to prepare for the season? I may be in the minority but I just see it as the excuse being used. BK wouldn't go in depth and didn't seem too happy about it.

Very possible. Z WR was problematic last season and looked to be even moreso in 2013, simply because we had too few reps to go around for the talent at the position. Losing a 5 ATH is always a bummer, but we have so many ways to fill the void that Neal is leaving-- more 12 and 13 personnel, and 5-6 talented guys who could do very well at Z themselves. Neal may have simply seen the writing on the wall.

 

[koonja]

I'll babysit the little bugger if he stays at ND. Or maybe Mike Heurman could?

 

[ND NYC]

You have to be kidding me NYC... So Mr. Egocentric, we should all be like you? Neg rep that crazy thought. That baby momma **** was over the top and in extremely bad form IMO.

so you're essentially saying when a man and a woman have a baby together it is ok for them to expect help from others to raise that child? dare i say you think they deserve this help? (i could be reading you worng on this)

is my "form bad" in thinking it is no one else but the parents responsibilty to raise and care for the children they bring into this world?

 

[Emcee77]

Z WR was problematic last season and looked to be even moreso in 2013, simply because we had too few reps to go around for the talent at the position. Losing a 5 ATH is always a bummer, but we have so many ways to fill the void that Neal is leaving-- more 12 and 13 personnel, and 5-6 talented guys who could do very well at Z themselves. Neal may have simply seen the writing on the wall.

This. I was disappointed when I heard the news of Neal transferring, as we all were, but now I'm thinking ...

that this just opens the door for C.J. Prosise to become our Hines Ward.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

so you're essentially saying when a man and a woman have a baby together it is ok for them to expect help from others to raise that child? dare i say you think they deserve this help? (i could be reading you worng on this)

is my "form bad" in thinking it is no one else but the parents responsibilty to raise and care for the children they bring into this world?

The reason people have taken issue with your post is because you made a pretty damning assumption about Neal and his girlfriend. I agree that it's a contemptible dereliction of duty for a teen parent to consistently dump his or her child on the grandparents so they don't have to make the painful adjustments in life that parenthood necessitates. I also agree that lots of teen parents do it. But we don't have any evidence that such is the case here.

As Grahambo pointed out, it's very possible that "being closer to family" is just the pretext to a move motivated primarily by play time and/or depth chart concerns. In any case, we don't know, so we shouldn't immediately assume the worst about Neal.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

What is the difference between taking a kid to daycare while one goes to work/school and taking a kid to family members while one work/school?

A ton of money.

 

[Emcee77]

so you're essentially saying when a man and a woman have a baby together it is ok for them to expect help from others to raise that child? dare i say you think they deserve this help? (i could be reading you worng on this)

is my "form bad" in thinking it is no one else but the parents responsibilty to raise and care for the children they bring into this world?

"It takes a village to raise a child." No? Never heard that one? Growing up, my parish priest used that proverb in his homilies probably four times a year. I'm definitely surprised that you seem to take exception to the idea here.

Now, expecting your child's grandparents to relieve you from the responsibility of parenting is different ... that's clearly not ok. But for one thing, it's not clear that that's what's going on with Davonte. There's actually no evidence that that's what's going on with Davonte. And for another thing ... expecting help from family is not ok? I don't see that. My wife and I live far from any family and I'd freaking love it if they were around to help more. Further, if they lived here I would definitely expect that they would want us to involve them in caring for our kids.

 

[Luckylucci]

Definitely not bridge jumping over this but I do think this is a pretty big deal. Not just from a production standpoint but from a number and depth perspective. How nice would it have been if we would have known this a couple of months ago. Three extra recruits for last years class. Part of me is a little pissed that they all jump ship now leaving us with so much space.

 

[Ironman8]

I think Pittsburgh losing Russell Shell is a much bigger deal for a their program than us losing Kiel, Ferguson and Neal for ours personally, but that's just me.

 

[STLDomer]

I think Pittsburgh losing Russell Shell is a much bigger deal for a their program than us losing Kiel, Ferguson and Neal for ours personally, but that's just me.

**** I didn't know Shell transferred, that sucks

 

[Luckylucci]

Agreed but they have asperations to win what 7 maybe 8 games this year and we want to be playing for NC's every year. This certaintly doesn't help depth. Knock on wood but all we need is an injury bug to make the receiving core look very young.

 

[ND NYC]

The reason people have taken issue with your post is because you made a pretty damning assumption about Neal and his girlfriend. I agree that it's a contemptible dereliction of duty for a teen parent to consistently dump his or her child on the grandparents so they don't have to make the painful adjustments in life that parenthood necessitates. I also agree that lots of teen parents do it. But we don't have any evidence that such is the case here.

As Grahambo pointed out, it's very possible that "being closer to family" is just the pretext to a move motivated primarily by play time and/or depth chart concerns. In any case, we don't know, so we shouldn't immediately assume the worst about Neal.

I dont discagree-we are all making assumptions for the real reason(s) for the transfer.
In fact, nobody knows why "he gone".
Probably got too far ahead of the whole matter at this point.

on an unrelated note....do we think these recievers (Neal, Ferguson) may had hoped to have Gunner be their QB long term-and when he left it gave them one more thing to consider in their transfer decision?

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Interesting, he'd be a perfect fit for the offense in Tucson.

He would tear it up in RichROds system.

I give him alot of credit for putting his responsibility first. Although i think he could of had ND and his family...however none of us on here know all the details.

God Speed Neal!