'14 VA DE Da'Shawn Hand (Alabama Verbal ROLL TIDE YALL)

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This is basically my reasoning haha

The thought of Urban Meyer winning Big Ten Championship after Big Ten Championship and getting a free ticket to the Final Four is disgusting. There is (currently) not Penn State to knock them off every few years, Michigan needs to come back from the dead.

O$U is pathetic. Weakest OOC schedule ever. Big Ten sucks. Get top 10 pre-season ranking. Do it all over again.

As long as UM wins that last game of the year, after 2014 I could care less how they do. I just want to get the recruits we want/need over either of those schools. Whether the two are the proximate cause of one another is above my pay grade.
 

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Hand won't go anywhere but VT. We'll play him once in his college career. OSU won't go anywhere but 10/11 win seasons --- hate it or not, that's where it is. Michigan won't go anywhere but "9 wins and a bowl" type seasons. Hoke's good enough for that. With Kelly ND won't go anywhere but 10-to-12 game winning seasons. That's who we are now. OSU will be the only team in our area to match our defensive power and possibly our speed.

Bottomline: we're good. They're good, but not good enough to stop ND from outrecruiting them three out of four years.

Hard as it is for some on IE to swallow, but having three Midwestern powers who can go mano-a-mano with teams from other regions helps Notre Dame. The concept that you cannot be good if you're "from the North" cannot be maintained if there are three or more a$$kickers up here. By the way, Meyer was correct to call out the rest of the B1G coaches to upgrade their recruiting. His thinking is precisely along those "we're [to a degree] all together in this region" understanding of human psychology.

I'm rooting for huge step-ups for MSU, PSU, Wisky, Nebraska at a minimum. NW is doing a lot for who they are. Iowa needs to get it's crap together [I've pretty much given up on Illinois]. Pitt returning to some power wouldn't hurt. The middle North has to appear dangerous again. Then everyone's thinking: those teams are tough customers. Having a loss to one of them shouldn't penalize you [as people think about the SEC now, and thus give one, or even two, loss teams NC consideration].

In my mind, if a good Michigan team helped us prestige-wise to win an NC, that would be FAR better consolation and irony than merely hating a loser.
 

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Hand won't go anywhere but VT. We'll play him once in his college career. OSU won't go anywhere but 10/11 win seasons --- hate it or not, that's where it is. Michigan won't go anywhere but "9 wins and a bowl" type seasons. Hoke's good enough for that. With Kelly ND won't go anywhere but 10-to-12 game winning seasons. That's who we are now. OSU will be the only team in our area to match our defensive power and possibly our speed.

Beamer's kryptonite.... The Rule of 3
 
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Bottomline: we're good. They're good, but not good enough to stop ND from outrecruiting them three out of four years.

I don't see that happening. Their 2013 class was just as filthy as Notre Dame's, and they are off to a great start for 2014 unfortunately. Urban Meyer is going to name the score against every Big Ten team but Michigan for the foreseeable future.
 

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Visiting Michigan this coming weekend, Ferns is making the trip to be there at the same time, and from everything I have read, Michigan has a very legit shot, recently a 247 analyst even said Michigan and Virginia Tech lead.

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Visiting Michigan this coming weekend, Ferns is making the trip to be there at the same time, and from everything I have read, Michigan has a very legit shot, recently a 247 analyst even said Michigan and Virginia Tech lead.

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He won't end up at Michigan. I mean I guess that there is a chance... but right now, this is classic Michigan over-hype reminiscent of Yuri Wright being a "lock" for months to end up at Michigan.

The bottom line is that Virginia Tech is and has long been the favorite and Hand is just taking a bunch of visits to see what schools he likes. He visited UNC this past weekend... did anyone give a crap? No.

Now IF he loves Michigan and they make a HUGE impression then they COULD move into a good position. Right now pre-visit? Not even close to being a co-leader. That's a ****ing joke that anyone would say otherwise. And you better expect other SEC/ACC schools to make a huge impression later in the cycle regardless of what happens now.
 

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He won't end up at Michigan. I mean I guess that there is a chance... but right now, this is classic Michigan over-hype reminiscent of Yuri Wright being a "lock" for months to end up at Michigan.

The bottom line is that Virginia Tech is and has long been the favorite and Hand is just taking a bunch of visits to see what schools he likes. He visited UNC this past weekend... did anyone give a crap? No.

Now IF he loves Michigan and they make a HUGE impression then they COULD move into a good position. Right now pre-visit? Not even close to being a co-leader. That's a ****ing joke that anyone would say otherwise. And you better expect other SEC/ACC schools to make a huge impression later in the cycle regardless of what happens now.

Yeah I had not heard that till today when looking at his profile. Kinda, actually extremely, impressive of UNC to get the #1 football recruit (Hand) and the #1 basketball recruit (Wiggins) on campus at the same time. Too bad they got blown out.

Hope your right about Hand and Michigan, I think I would cry if they snagged him.
 

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Yeah I had not heard that till today when looking at his profile. Kinda, actually extremely, impressive of UNC to get the #1 football recruit (Hand) and the #1 basketball recruit (Wiggins) on campus at the same time. Too bad they got blown out.

Hope your right about Hand and Michigan, I think I would cry if they snagged him.

Yeah, I mean it would kinda/sorta suck but I also wouldn't care all that much. It's not like we're going to land him and I'm not a VT fan. I'd ultimately be shocked if Hand has a decision (or at very least a final one) before NSD. And that bodes quite poorly for Michigan.

My biggest takeaway is that we need our recruits to be more like Ferns. Jaylon played this role last year and it had a huge positive impact. Onwualu was another guy that was just an awesome glue piece and everyone seemed to like him. I don't see Hayes, Martini, Brent, or Byrne really doing any "recruiting" for the Irish. Not that this ultimately has a super huge impact but people want to play with people that they like so camaraderie with other prospects in your class can do nothing but help and it would be nice to have some guys active in that role during the summer circuit of camps.
 

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look for OU to also be heavily involved in his recruitment...w/ montgomery leaving UM to OU he had a very good relationship w/ him....basically what the espn insider said on it
 

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Yeah, I mean it would kinda/sorta suck but I also wouldn't care all that much. It's not like we're going to land him and I'm not a VT fan. I'd ultimately be shocked if Hand has a decision (or at very least a final one) before NSD. And that bodes quite poorly for Michigan.

My biggest takeaway is that we need our recruits to be more like Ferns. Jaylon played this role last year and it had a huge positive impact. Onwualu was another guy that was just an awesome glue piece and everyone seemed to like him. I don't see Hayes, Martini, Brent, or Byrne really doing any "recruiting" for the Irish. Not that this ultimately has a super huge impact but people want to play with people that they like so camaraderie with other prospects in your class can do nothing but help and it would be nice to have some guys active in that role during the summer circuit of camps.

Another thing Michigan does, as well as UNC and other schools, is use basketball to get kids to visit/enhance the visit. I mean I know ND isn't exactly Cameron Indoor but for the big games we can hold our own in terms of atmosphere. Michigan is able to get guys like McDowell and Harris to come 3 weeks in a row by using basketball.
 
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Yeah, I mean it would kinda/sorta suck but I also wouldn't care all that much. It's not like we're going to land him and I'm not a VT fan. I'd ultimately be shocked if Hand has a decision (or at very least a final one) before NSD. And that bodes quite poorly for Michigan.

My biggest takeaway is that we need our recruits to be more like Ferns. Jaylon played this role last year and it had a huge positive impact. Onwualu was another guy that was just an awesome glue piece and everyone seemed to like him. I don't see Hayes, Martini, Brent, or Byrne really doing any "recruiting" for the Irish. Not that this ultimately has a super huge impact but people want to play with people that they like so camaraderie with other prospects in your class can do nothing but help and it would be nice to have some guys active in that role during the summer circuit of camps.

I'm hoping Hayes steps up his recruiting game. Seems like he has the personality for it, too bad he's buried up in the NE region.
 

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Michigan visit exceeded expectations per 247

Visiting Michigan for the ND game
 

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Wouldn't mind Michigan building a damn good team and crossing our path in a major bowl down the road. After the series ends and all..
 
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Wouldn't mind Michigan building a damn good team and crossing our path in a major bowl down the road. After the series ends and all..

If they have a great team, it means that they more than likely took a bunch of kids ND was recruiting. I'm not a fan of that plan.

Best case scenario, they go 1-11 and beat Ohio State every year.
 

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Wouldn't mind Michigan building a damn good team and crossing our path in a major bowl down the road. After the series ends and all..

They're a major recruiting rival. As far as ND's interests are concerned, we want them to go 0-12 every year.
 

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They're a major recruiting rival. As far as ND's interests are concerned, we want them to go 0-12 every year.

Well, you guys might but I don't. Let's be real, if ND is after a guy that Michigan gets, that recruit wasn't about academics. Field your 11 and play. I would love to go head to head with a top 5 recruiting class at Michigan when we have our top 5 recruit class. I hate them but would love to destroy them after the series ended. I do see your point though. I am just thinking along the lines of us still landing top classes year in and year out.
 

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Well, you guys might but I don't. Let's be real, if ND is after a guy that Michigan gets, that recruit wasn't about academics. Field your 11 and play. I would love to go head to head with a top 5 recruiting class at Michigan when we have our top 5 recruit class. I hate them but would love to destroy them after the series ended. I do see your point though. I am just thinking along the lines of us still landing top classes year in and year out.

I think that is ND's problem or has been the last 20 years. We are getting "good" kids who are academics 1st but we have been missing out on those kids who are football 1st even though they are smart enough to go to ND. I want players who have that killer instinct and have aspirations to play in the NFL one day. Of course we want them to be smart and love ND so they won't transfer later but I sure don't want players who put football secondary to everything else. That's not how you build championship teams. And I am sure there are plenty of players who choose Michigan over ND who could have done quite well at ND. High school kids don't always look at the big picture, in fact most of them do not. I want ND to win all the recruiting battles with Michigan and let them take the scraps.
 

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If they have a great team, it means that they more than likely took a bunch of kids ND was recruiting. I'm not a fan of that plan.

Best case scenario, they go 1-11 and beat Ohio State every year.

Wow we actually agree on something.
 
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The first thing I think any discussion about the success or failure of our nearby competition is mostly speculation.

I don't believe you need football first versus good academic kids, to win it all. As any freshman recruit is not developed to his fullest when he first steps on campus, I think you need the "right" kid for your program, and I think the attitude, behaviors, and work ethic you install are king. I also think it is very important to start with the right kind of kid; and Dave Casper said it best. He said it was about a certain type of person picking Notre Dame, and then there is a little polishing done. So he made it clear, the way he saw it that Notre Dame was not for many, and that needs to be dialed in to recruiting expectations.

So we may lose a kid or two to another school, but I think that is the most that has ever happened. And I think we are ahead of our near-by competition in the recruiting game, anyways.

As far as the other schools in the region, football factories to august institutions of higher education, I hope they beat the shiit out of everybody else, and that ND always beats the shiit out of them.

Seriously, others have said this, part of the success of the SEC, other than the cheating, weather, and hot and cold running women parts, is their proximity to each other. Their proximity geographically, as well as conference wise, all help.

It is like with marketing, one strategy is to get as far away from the competition as possible, another is to build right next door. How many times do we get recruits coming in on a three school swing? And don't say we get shut out; no one has grumbled too badly at the classes we have signed lately.

In fact, someone published an interesting analysis that says the coaching staff is hitting closer to the top of their board with each class. I believe getting back to the days of top mid-west football can't do anything but help ND's efforts.
 
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Hand is very focused on academics and initially thought he wanted to go into civil engineering. After meeting with Michigan's Dean of Sports Management, Hand now believes he might be leaning towards a new major.

"That dude knows his stuff. He got me thinking. I thought I wanted to do civil engineering, but I'm thinking that sports management fits my personality," he said. "He gave me so much information that I was blown away, he had me drooling. I wanted to join the class right then and there."

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Hand is very focused on academics and initially thought he wanted to go into civil engineering. After meeting with Michigan's Dean of Sports Management, Hand now believes he might be leaning towards a new major.

"That dude knows his stuff. He got me thinking. I thought I wanted to do civil engineering, but I'm thinking that sports management fits my personality," he said. "He gave me so much information that I was blown away, he had me drooling. I wanted to join the class right then and there."

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this is no surprize, SCUM have been always been known to steer their fb players to easier degrees. Been that way for generations. Jim Harbaugh had it hard enough when he told the powers that be that he wanted to study Education!
 

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Hand is very focused on academics and initially thought he wanted to go into civil engineering. After meeting with Michigan's Dean of Sports Management, Hand now believes he might be leaning towards a new major.

"That dude knows his stuff. He got me thinking. I thought I wanted to do civil engineering, but I'm thinking that sports management fits my personality," he said. "He gave me so much information that I was blown away, he had me drooling. I wanted to join the class right then and there."

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What is the source of this quote?
 

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This is not sounding good. I know that we really weren't in the race for him and i am ok with that but i would rather have to play him a VT then see him go Michigan.
 

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"That dude knows his stuff. He got me thinking. I thought I wanted to do civil engineering, but I'm thinking that sports management fits my personality," he said. "He gave me so much information that I was blown away, he had me drooling. I wanted to join the class right then and there."

"Oh, you're interested in a real degree? That'll make it more difficult for you to excel on the football field, son. Let me tell you about our underwater basket-weaving program; it's #1 in the nation!"

I'm sure they try to sell pre-med kids on kinesiology, too. UM's pretension to academic excellence for its athletes is a f*cking farce.
 

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"Oh, you're interested in a real degree? That'll make it more difficult for you to excel on the football field, son. Let me tell you about our underwater basket-weaving program; it's #1 in the nation!"

I'm sure they try to sell pre-med kids on kinesiology, too. UM's pretension to academic excellence for its athletes is a f*cking farce.

id imagine thats gotta be pretty tough to accomplish lol
 
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