My Top 20 Quarterbacks heading into the 2013 season

[STLDomer]

Still waiting for the list of 30 QBs better than Gardner...

 

[NDPhilly]

Shane Morris looked like absolutely awful in the UA game and every other event I saw him in. So if they want him to start please I hope your "sources" are spot on.

The fact that Shane Morris seriously thought he could juke out Matthew Thomas still boggles my mind. Seriously Thomas in the 2ns most athletic Lb in the country behind Jaylon. What is he doing.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

Still waiting for the list of 30 QBs better than Gardner...

LMAO I don't have time to list all the QBs better than Gardner. You want a list? Get a list of all d1 qbs, close your eyes and point. Most likely you'll land on 30 that are better before you hit one that is worse.

 

[STLDomer]

LMAO I don't have time to list all the QBs better than Gardner. You want a list? Get a list of all d1 qbs, close your eyes and point. Most likely you'll land on 30 that are better before you hit one that is worse.

Of course you don't.

You've spent an hour debating a topic but you don't have time to name 30 QBs.

Your argument is all smoke and mirrors. I can name this, my sources say this blah blah blah

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

Of course you don't.

You've spent an hour debating a topic but you don't have time to name 30 QBs.

Your argument is all smoke and mirrors. I can name this, my sources say this blah blah blah

Give me something of value here, STL...I'm actually bringing something to the conversation. You're looking for ways to create controversy. What's the list really going to do for you? start a debate about who should/should not be on THAT list? Which then take it even further away from the original point, which I will state one more time since you clearly don't understand: It is offensive to say Gardner is a better QB than Golson

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Give me something of value here, STL...I'm actually bringing something to the conversation. You're looking for ways to create controversy. What's the list really going to do for you? start a debate about who should/should not be on THAT list? Which then take it even further away from the original point, which I will state one more time since you clearly don't understand: It is offensive to say Gardner is a better QB than Golson

You are far too easily offended. It's just football.

I'm out. I've said my piece and we disagree. Have a good one.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

You are far too easily offended. It's just football.

I'm out. I've said my piece and we disagree. Have a good one.

Yeah sorry, just a die-hard fan and I hate people talking **** about my team. It's offensive to me when someone talks so negatively about my quarterback...but yeah this isnt going to change peoples minds...I'm out too bro.

 

[woolybug25]

Haha of course you think I'm lying. When would you actually know anything about a real source? LOL

I have no problem with it. Gardner is not much of an upgrade passing the ball from Denard. The thought of a freshman QB starting over Gardner is way less insane than the thought of Gunner taking the reigns from Golson...yet there are plenty of uninformed/illogical ND fans with the opinion that that is really a possibility

Cool source, bro. With cool inside sources like that, you should really write for Rivals or something. You can break the Shane Morris to start news.

As I said, if you indeed have "Michigan Sources", then they are dumber than box full of kidney stones. Because Gardner is going to be the starter next year at Michigan, and everyone but you and your criminally ignorant Michigan buddies know that.

Finally, go read through the last couple pages of your posts. They are rambling, inconsistent, backpeddling comments that have made no sense whatsoever. You still have failed to prove your point to anyone but yourself and simply refuse to make your own list, just bash others. But please... continue to explain to the rest of us how we are all idiots and are "slapping you in the face".

 

[gkIrish]

Michigan plays 2 good teams (us and osu) and 2 to 3 average teams next year (Nebraska, Michigan State, Northwestern). Gardner is going to feast on the other teams, have great stats, and win 9 to 10 games.

I disagree with a lot of what fanatic said, especially the 20 to 30 comment, but I think he is right that Golson is a better qb by the eye test. More dynamic runner and more accurate IMO.

 

[IrishLion]

^ I'm on board with that.

Golson is better than Gardner, but Gardner is no slouch. He elevated Michigan with his play when he stepped in. Robinson was electric, but Gardner provided a more traditional QB, which is what scUM needed.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Morris for Heisman

 

[GBdomer]

LMAO I don't have time to list all the QBs better than Gardner. You want a list? Get a list of all d1 qbs, close your eyes and point. Most likely you'll land on 30 that are better before you hit one that is worse.

When you hit submit Reply did you really believe what you typed?

 

[Grahambo]

Yeah sorry, just a die-hard fan and I hate people talking **** about my team. It's offensive to me when someone talks so negatively about my quarterback...but yeah this isnt going to change peoples minds...I'm out too bro.

How old are you?

 

[Irish Man3]

T. Bridgewater
B. Miller
J. Lynch
AJ McCarron
T. Boyd

 

[dublinirish]

T. Bridgewater
B. Miller
J. Lynch
AJ McCarron
T. Boyd

Totally agree Lynch is going to have a Case Keenum like season next year. I would not be surprized to see them beat Iowa and Purdue and go undefeated.

 

[arrowryan]

Totally agree Lynch is going to have a Case Keenum like season next year. I would not be surprized to see them beat Iowa and Purdue and go undefeated.

As long as he is at Northern Illinois he won't get any recognition

 

[arrowryan]

To the people that think Gardner is the hottest thing since sliced bread,

Lets go back to Golson real quick. What's not to like about him? He has a gun strapped to his shoulder, is behind a great offensive line, returns all of his weapons minus Eifert, and he is a quarterback that can run, not vice versa.

Say that this was Teo's team and his defense took us to the championship all you want. I somewhat agree with you. But don't forget that the defense never came off the bus during the Pitt game and we would not have been in South Beach without Golson's play against Pitt. Sure this defense carried the team, but the defense didn't put up the points to win the games.

 

[woolybug25]

To the people that think Gardner is the hottest thing since sliced bread,

Lets go back to Golson real quick. What's not to like about him? He has a gun strapped to his shoulder, is behind a great offensive line, returns all of his weapons minus Eifert, and he is a quarterback that can run, not vice versa.

Say that this was Teo's team and his defense took us to the championship all you want. I somewhat agree with you. But don't forget that the defense never came off the bus during the Pitt game and we would not have been in South Beach without Golson's play against Pitt. Sure this defense carried the team, but the defense didn't put up the points to win the games.

I love Golson, but I keep seeing the Pitt game being used as an example of great play. Let's remember, we partly got into the situation because of Golson's bad play during the beginning of the Pitt game. He was pulled in that game because he wasn't getting it done, while missing his reads/progressions. That's not an opinion, it's what BK said in the presser after the game and Golson acknowledged.

But let's get back to macro QB discussion for the league as a whole. This whole Golson convo is getting worn out.

 

[levicarvalho]

Updated with Taylor Kelly and Bryn Renner.

I'm impressed with this kid from Arizona State..keep an eye on him for the game against us

 

[Grahambo]

Why are people getting so defensive? Need to relax a bit.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

Cool source, bro. With cool inside sources like that, you should really write for Rivals or something. You can break the Shane Morris to start news.

As I said, if you indeed have "Michigan Sources", then they are dumber than box full of kidney stones. Because Gardner is going to be the starter next year at Michigan, and everyone but you and your criminally ignorant Michigan buddies know that.

Finally, go read through the last couple pages of your posts. They are rambling, inconsistent, backpeddling comments that have made no sense whatsoever. You still have failed to prove your point to anyone but yourself and simply refuse to make your own list, just bash others. But please... continue to explain to the rest of us how we are all idiots and are "slapping you in the face".

Wooly. I said they believe Gardner won't start, but I'm not saying they know any inside info. Their belief is saying that a real QB will beat him in camp. They love DG, but don't believe he's a legitimate QB (just like Denard). How could they know anything before Morris takes a snap on campus? I never said they had inside info on the QB battle. You called my guys out for not being Michigan guys and not being connected to Michigan...I showed you how big of Michigan guys they are by explaining how connected they are. I do understand the confusion, though. If they were inside sources (like my ND ones) I would have said "I have sources at Michigan who know for a fact that Gardner won't start. They are real inside sources" Instead, I gave an opinion of the biggest Michigan fans I know... (again, I do believe something got lost in translation there)

Backpeddling? Read the convo. What has been my point the entire time? I've said it enough: "It is a slap in the face to call Gardner a better QB than Golson" yet you continue to change the subject by bashing the best QB at Notre Dame. You bring up things like defense (WTF?), Manti (not Gardner, not Golson), you continue to change the subject to try to get it on your level.

So let's chat. You want to be on topic. Here you go:
If a backup QB with a 60% win percentage, with only one win against a team with a winning record, and not even half a season under his belt as the starting QB is better than a QB with one loss on his record, whose one loss was in the National Title game, with consistent wins over top 25 opponents in prime time, we are living in a strange world.

Compare the two QBs in their last 5 games (for Gardner, his only 5 games):
EG: 8 TDs 2 INTs 1260 yards 60.8% (4Wins 1Loss)
DG:11 TDs 5 INTs 1219 yards 59.5% (3Wins 2Losses)

Rushing
EG: 153 yds 3 TDs 3.7 YPC
DG: 101 yds 7 TDs 2.1 YPC

 

[woolybug25]

Dude. I don't want to have this conversation with you anymore. Frankly, I didn't even read your response above. I'm sure it's similar quality to the others and filled with holes. How about this, the rest of us can move on an you can start your own thread specifically to bash Gardner. Because I'm sure everyone is tired of reading your posts.

In other words, go away.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Just my two cents:

1) Devin Gardner will be the starting QB at Michigan barring injury. If you think Shane Morris is going to be, you are on crack. I don't think Gardner is as good as some of you suggest (*cough* GB *cough*) but I don't think he is bad either. If you listed the Top 30 I would probably put him about right in the middle. As for Michigan doing something "special" next year, I still think they are an 8 win team.

2) Teddy Bridgewater is the best QB in college football. Watch him throw a football and tell me he is not. After that I probably go McCarron, Manziel, and Mariotta.

3) EG is still unproven to me. I feel like every throw we had last year was a screen, comeback, or hail mary (yes I know that is not really what happened).

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

Dude. I don't want to have this conversation with you anymore. Frankly, I didn't even read your response above. I'm sure it's similar quality to the others and filled with holes. How about this, the rest of us can move on an you can start your own thread specifically to bash Gardner. Because I'm sure everyone is tired of reading your posts.

In other words, go away.

Figured you'd walk away from a post with real numbers. You're a true contributor to the ND nation. You bring so much value to all of us. Thanks for all you do buddy.

 

[Rocket89]

It's not a slap in the face to say Gardner is better/more of a stud/etc. than Golson but it is pretty bizarre.

I think what happened was Gardner was immediately a better passer than Robinson, plus DG kept a lot of (but not all) of the athleticism of Shoelaces and people are projecting he's going to be a stud.

Gardner was not a stud last year. He played pretty well given the situation, for sure. His stats were good, not great. Even against Minny, Northwestern, and Iowa the Michigan offense was still grab-baggy and not humming like you'd expect a "stud" to operate.

Gardner has a strong arm but he was still erratic and prone to bouts of inaccuracy. Furthermore, he struggled big time against Ohio State and his game against South Carolina was not appreciably better than what Golson was able to do against Alabama.

Gardner has the chance to develop in to a very good quarterback but to say he's already there is a bit much. Golson might not be there either, and that's okay.

Is Gardner "better" than Golson? Eh, Golson is already a much more developed passer and that goes a long way in this game. Gardner has a lot of tools but he's still pretty raw and I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he struggles throwing the ball next year with a bigger sample size.

So, I think there's lots of potential for Gardner but I'm also trying to wrap my head around people who think he's clearly better than Golson when Gardner finished the season playing bad against Ohio State and then average to above average against South Carolina.

 

[PANDFAN]

Yeah sorry, just a die-hard fan and I hate people talking **** about my team. It's offensive to me when someone talks so negatively about my quarterback...but yeah this isnt going to change peoples minds...I'm out too bro.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

Lol, that's actually funny. I can take it haha it fits....damnit

 

[Irish Houstonian]

1. Manziel
2. B. Miller
3. Bridgewater

[Dropoff]

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

Yeah sorry, just a die-hard fan and I hate people talking **** about my team. It's offensive to me when someone talks so negatively about my quarterback...but yeah this isnt going to change peoples minds...I'm out too bro.

TO Voice: "That's my Quarterback."
Already got beat to that

 

[Bogtrotter07]

The only statement that can be proven in this thread is when someone prefaces their statement, "I don't know for sure . . . "

I don't believe anyone here can have watched enough football, know what the future holds or is in a players heart, make adjustment for windage, and hazard anything but a wild a$s guess.

Three things I can add:
Save time, let the national idiots look stupid; that is what they are there for.

All things being equal I would rather Have Golson, Keil, and Zaire than Gardner and Morris.

I would rather be in ND's position than Michigan's.

Téigh Gaeilge!