BK stays at ND

[TheChosen1]

So the Eagles have set up another meeting with Kelly and are meeting with seattles DC today? This doesnt sound good.

Welcome to the party...

 

[Rocky2820]

The two leading candidates for the Eagles appear to be BK and Gus Bradley. I find it very interesting that they're interviewing Bradley on the eve of his team's playoff game. To me, this timing, combined with them interviewing BK again this weekend, suggests that they indeed are the favorites. If this job is going to go to BK, it has to happen by tomorrow or Monday morning. Interviewing Bradley now lets that happen. Or, perhaps they scheduled the second interview with BK so that Bradley would feel some pressure today to verbally accept the job, even if it can't be made official until after the Seahawks are eliminated. Either way, we'll know about BK's staus with the Eagles within the next 24-48 hours.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

BK is following his own template for interviewing though . He only allows his staff to interview for positions that are "better" (I understand this is a relative term), somewhere else. A la molnar to a HC position or even Alford to the packers.

What is he supposed to do?

Brian's agent : great season coach. Have a blast with your family in the Bahamas. Oh, I got a message from the eagles organization. They'd like to talk to you.

Bk: nope. Now where's my speedo?

He doesn't owe anyone anything but what is right for him and his family in his mind and heart. And I guess pocketbook too. I don't fault him for this. Do you think his wife or father are having these conversation with him? Or questioning him? Nope. If they are, they are asking "is this what you want? We'll support you."
This doesn't worry me in the least. Would it suck? Sure. Am I taking this personally? No.

 

[Jerry]

Or stick with a guy with little loyalty and integrity, who will always be looking to bolt for the NFL. Yeah, I will take my chance in the free market and find a man who looks at Notre Dame as the best job in the world and is 100% committed to it 100% of the time.

The problem is the guy you are describing may not exist. At least not in a the form of a competent football coach.

 

[IrishLax]

That he isn't a viable candidate for the Eagles job is my opinion. I suppose I could be wrong. It happens. There are a number of reasons they would talk to Kelly and allow the perception that he's an option to exist. One is that they stand to gain the same thing as BK: leverage to get what they really want at more favorable terms. Two, maybe they owe Trace Armstrong a favor or are considering hiring another of his clients. They could also just be being thorough and covering all their bases, or establishing a relationship on case he does become a viable option in the future.

However, my explanation of why he hasn't said anything isn't just opinion. It's a textbook approach to this situation. Numerous posters have said some variation of "the longer this goes on...." I know it seems like its been a long time because you're anxiously awaiting news, but its only been a few days. The recruiting effort seems uneffected. I wouldn't worry so much.

Kelly is back today and will be at an awards dinner tonight so if something isn't done soon I would worry significantly. With a second meeting set up with Eagles he's clearly a viable candidate with a good shot at getting the job offer. The most troubling things are reports that they would just tab Chuck Martin as new HC. To me that shows they don't care enough about Kelly leaving. And if they were going to get a deal done I would've expected it to get done yesterday, so if it doesn't get done today I'll be very worried. Seems more and more like what Kelly wants and what ND is offering are too far apart right now. I blame Lovie Smith for not doing a better job in his interview (only half kidding).

 

[TheChosen1]

Keith Arnold‏@KeithArnoldNBC

Conclusion-jumping getting crazy. I haven't read a single report in the last 24 hours that has anything new on BK. Only Walter Camp dinner.

Bingo

 

[wizards8507]

Maybe we could hear something tonight?

Brian Hamilton @ChiTribHamilton 23s
As ESPN notes, #NotreDame HC Brian Kelly originally set to be at Walter Camp dinner in Conn. tonight. Awaiting confirmation BK still going.

Not likely. The Eagles have another candidate on Monday.

 

[woolybug25]

But let's talk about the real issue at hand...

Where are all of the TP lovers today? I mean, yesterday was promised to be a "great day to be Irish"?

[\crickets]

 

[koonja]

I'm surprisingly calm about this. BK is a highly intelligent man, and he knows what he's doing. If his heart isn't at ND, or he doesn't think ND can evolve in order to get us to be at Bama's level, then I don't fault him for leaving. If Kelly signs an extension and gets the changes he wants made, I'll be very excited because he will not stick around if he thinks this year was his best shot. But if he leaves, he leaves, imo, not for money or because he loves the NFL, but because he thinks ND just got as close as it can. Just my opinions, but what he does here will tell us a lot.

 

[notredomer23]

But let's talk about the real issue at hand...

Where are all of the TP lovers today? I mean, yesterday was promised to be a "great day to be Irish"?

[\crickets]

Exactly. Dude has no more info than anyone else who has premium info. Anyone can post cryptic messages and twist it however they want. I like the guy, I just don't get why people use him for information.

 

[TheChosen1]

Keith Arnold‏@KeithArnoldNBC

For those intrigued by the Walter Camp awards dinner, ESPN3 is streaming it live tonight at 6:45 EST

I think some people viewing this thread might be "inrigued"

 

[irishog77]

Kelly is back today and will be at an awards dinner tonight so if something isn't done soon I would worry significantly. With a second meeting set up with Eagles he's clearly a viable candidate with a good shot at getting the job offer. The most troubling things are reports that they would just tab Chuck Martin as new HC. To me that shows they don't care enough about Kelly leaving. And if they were going to get a deal done I would've expected it to get done yesterday, so if it doesn't get done today I'll be very worried. Seems more and more like what Kelly wants and what ND is offering are too far apart right now. I blame Lovie Smith for not doing a better job in his interview (only half kidding).

I'm not sure it's so much that Chuck Martin IS the answer, as Chuck Martin is the answer...right now. Any competent AD should have a contingency (or contingencies) plan in place if ____ happens. Perhaps if BK leaves on the 14th of January of this year, Chuck Martin is the man JS has identified as taking over, but opening things up for other candidates for next year.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

If he leaves, he leaves... just kidding. Kinda.

 

[irish o'phile]

Exactly. Dude has no more info than anyone else who has premium info. Anyone can post cryptic messages and twist it however they want. I like the guy, I just don't get why people use him for information.

This is simply wrong. He is right more often than not, and typically ahead of the curve. Alot of what he speaks to is fluid information. Thus, there are bound to be errors. He seems to be the only person on this board with any real information.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I'm getting tired of the "Kelly doesn't owe anybody anything" argument.

We (90% of the contributors of this thread) have remained optimistic, not thrown anybody under the bus, and agree this saga in no way, shape, or form affects our fandom. Hell or highwater, the sky isn't falling, and we see a bright future with or without our current coach.

The other 10% having a meltdown, although sounding immature, are completely entitled to feel that way if we continue the "nobody owes anyone anything" attitude. The fact of the matter is we are a family, and although it seems like a dysfunctional one at times, we all owe each other in one form or another. This goes from FJ all the way down to a child who who saw their first ND game this year.

GO IRISH

(keep in mind this is coming from a guy who spends half his day posting nonsense, so take it with a grain of salt)

 

[jimmymac]

It's funny to see people trash/question TP. If you don't like him, block him. And do you ever think where he gets his info from? Clearly if you think it's the same as paid sites you wouldn't understand. A lot of the time those paid sites receive their information from TP... It's not his fault his incredibly close sources who can't be named in public are wrong sometimes...

 

[GoIrish41]

From the "get used to it" comment after the Tulsa loss, to the "my guys are buying in but Weis' guys aren't", to the purple-headed screaming on the sidelines, Kelley has a habit of self-inflicted wounds. As soon as I heard he was interviewing for the job, I immediately thought this was the latest in that line that would damage his credibility with his team (and the recruiting class) and the fan base. The more I thought about it, the more I thought that he is too smart to dig himself into another hole like this -- he must either have real interest in the Eagles job or a massive ego that requires a great deal of public stroking. In either case, it probably does not mean good things for ND. If he leaves, there will be another coaching change. If he comes back, the entire team will always wonder which job he is actually gunning for, which could really keep any of them from buying in. Nothing good can come of any of this. If he wanted raises for his assistants (which I don't buy) he should have asked for them before he made this public appeal.

 

[Ironman8]

It's funny to see people trash/question TP. If you don't like him, block him. And do you ever think where he gets his info from? Clearly if you think it's the same as paid sites you wouldn't understand. A lot of the time those paid sites receive their information from TP... It's not his fault his incredibly close sources who can't be named in public are wrong sometimes...

I appreciate TP and all he does, and truly believe he does have inside sources, but I don't agree with this part. I have been a member on a couple sites for years, and they pretty much always only break information when they have confirmed / verified / heard it themselves.

 

[connor_in]

BREAKING NEWS...BK has been out of contact with the world the last few days because Lindsey Lohan had a relapse and BK was brought in as an emergency life coach to get her thru the next few days of recovery. Her people have been keeping it quiet...but is set to pop up on TMZ any minute now...

 

[johnnykillz]

Myself included, as I may be the guiltiest, but we gotta stop the cannibalism.

It's hard to handle the emotions from the possibilities at hand.

But let's be strong together and treat each other better.

Definitely my bad last night regardless of sarcasm, I was wrong.

Heads up, strap it in. Be strong. Stay on your tippy toes. Lehgo.

 

[ThePiombino]

Myself included, as I may be the guiltiest, but we gotta stop the cannibalism.

It's hard to handle the emotions from the possibilities at hand.

But let's be strong together and treat each other better.

Definitely my bad last night regardless of sarcasm, I was wrong.

Heads up, strap it in. Be strong. Stay on your tippy toes. Lehgo.

O captain! My Captain!

 

[arahop]

TP knows more than any one poster on here related to ND football. Meltdown mode will still be going in full force until something is announced. If BK doesn't stay with the Irish, he isn't the person to blame. He is trying to make some long over due changes to the program. Blame the board of trustees and men who run the university.

 

[irishog77]

I'm surprisingly calm about this. BK is a highly intelligent man, and he knows what he's doing. If his heart isn't at ND, or he doesn't think ND can evolve in order to get us to be at Bama's level, then I don't fault him for leaving. If Kelly signs an extension and gets the changes he wants made, I'll be very excited because he will not stick around if he thinks this year was his best shot. But if he leaves, he leaves, imo, not for money or because he loves the NFL, but because he thinks ND just got as close as it can. Just my opinions, but what he does here will tell us a lot.

I get what you're saying here, but the bolded part brings up what I (and I think many others) are frustrated about. BK reached the apex in Div II, but moved on to "bigger and better." He did pretty well at CM, but moved on to "bigger and better." He did very well at UC, but moved on to "bigger and better." He's done well at ND, but......? We all understand ND is a different animal than other gigs in college football. But if he feels he can't get ND to Alabama's level, then I'm sorry, but he may need to look in the mirror for some of his reasons as to why he can't. How many schools, in reality, can get to "Bama's level?" Texas, maybe Florida? USC? Possibly OSU or OU? ND? The reality is BK is unquestionably at one of the few schools in America that can at least approach "Bama's level." Yes, there are hinderances at ND. But there are hinderances at every job. Alabama had been mired in mediocrity and probation before Saban got there, he didn't just inherit the easiest, greatest job in all of football. He's worked his @ss off to get Alabama to where it is today. If the right guy wants to work his @ss off at ND, then he too, can have them competing for Natties. Maybe it's Brian Kelly, maybe it isn't. I can say though, that all but a handful of guys in the coaching profession, would probably kill for the opportunity to take over the ND program right now. Then what happens, say if BK takes the Eagles job, and he can't win there? Does he need to find another owner that will allow him to win Super Bowls? Will he have to find another GM to work with to ensure he wins Super Bowls? The frustrating part in all of this, the longer it goes, is that the perception is out there that BK can't win at ND? Perhaps he's correct and justified in some of what he's asking for...perhaps he's simply looking for leverage or excuses. We don't know. But I'm at the point where I feel BK either needs to nut-up and continue on with ND...or go.

 

[Sweetness34]

Relax homie, there is a lot if info in this thread explaining the situation. Chillax, because you don't want to have to go back on your comments when you are loving him next season. No reason to overreact.

I understand what you are saying but I just think there is a better way of handling the whole talk to NFL to get an extension from the current college team like Bill O'Brien did. I want him to coach at ND but now I just lost respect for him no matter how well he coaches ND in the future. This is a stain that won't go away no matter what.

 

[connor_in]

BREAKING NEWS...BK has been out of contact as he was on a recruiting trip to the area near the Plieades in Orion's belt. They have a kid that transferred in from Krypton who is a two way athlete that literally flies...the dead period doesnnot apply there as they have an entirely different calendar.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

I'm getting tired of the "Kelly doesn't owe anybody anything" argument.

We (90% of the contributors of this thread) have remained optimistic, not thrown anybody under the bus, and agree this saga in no way, shape, or form affects our fandom. Hell or highwater, the sky isn't falling, and we see a bright future with or without our current coach.

The other 10% having a meltdown, although sounding immature, are completely entitled to feel that way if we continue the "nobody owes anyone anything" attitude. The fact of the matter is we are a family, and although it seems like a dysfunctional one at times, we all owe each other in one form or another. This goes from FJ all the way down to a child who who saw their first ND game this year.

GO IRISH

(keep in mind this is coming from a guy who spends half his day posting nonsense, so take it with a grain of salt)

i am coming from your perceived 10%. i am neither in a meltdown or acting immature about this situation. i just am.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

i am coming from your perceived 10%. i am neither in a meltdown or acting immature about this situation. i just am.

Fair enough. I'm in the middle still, not freaking out, but definitely not wearing green tinted glasses and drinking a Shamrock Shake either. It is what it is......

 

[Patulski]

From the "get used to it" comment after the Tulsa loss, to the "my guys are buying in but Weis' guys aren't", to the purple-headed screaming on the sidelines, Kelley has a habit of self-inflicted wounds. As soon as I heard he was interviewing for the job, I immediately thought this was the latest in that line that would damage his credibility with his team (and the recruiting class) and the fan base.

Given the fact that his team just played for the BCS Championship, how did you reach your conclusion that any of the "self inflicted wounds" had any impact on the team?

 

[gkIrish]

It's funny to see people trash/question TP. If you don't like him, block him. And do you ever think where he gets his info from? Clearly if you think it's the same as paid sites you wouldn't understand. A lot of the time those paid sites receive their information from TP... It's not his fault his incredibly close sources who can't be named in public are wrong sometimes...

1. If you want people to block TP do you then expect people to block the dozens of other people that quote him or the multiple individual threads that pop up trying to decipher what TP said on any given day?

2. TP definitely knows more than say, me. But if you praise someone for being right, you should also acknowledge when they are wrong. It works the same way as a poster with typically great opinions. If they have a bad opinion once in a while they still get called out. I've seen that happen to HCTI before for example. Hell he had to make an apology thread about it.

3. TP has to recognize that many people hang on his every word. So while he is a human being and has a right to say whatever he wants he should still be careful what he tweets. Can't say all is well or good day to be Irish because he literally affects people's lives by doing so.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Given the fact that his team just played for the BCS Championship, how did your reach your conclusion that any of the "self inflicted wounds" had any impact on the team?

And do we have the same questions about Les Miles? Chip Kelly?