'12 VA S C.J. Prosise (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[woolybug25]

Easy Friend, i drop 12 (at least) every morning!

Love is a burning thing
And it makes a fiery ring
Bound by wild desire
I fell into a ring of fire

 

[Emcee77]

So "220 Club" doesn't refer to Prosise's weight, and it doesn't refer to his bench (unless it's a max calculated based on what he's repping and people in the know seem to think 220 would be absurdly low for a college DB -- I'll assume that's true). So is there another lift it could be? Curious if anyone else has a guess.

 

[Irishbounty28]

So "220 Club" doesn't refer to Prosise's weight, and it doesn't refer to his bench (unless it's a max calculated based on what he's repping and people in the know seem to think 220 would be absurdly low for a college DB -- I'll assume that's true). So is there another lift it could be? Curious if anyone else has a guess.

Curls?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So "220 Club" doesn't refer to Prosise's weight, and it doesn't refer to his bench (unless it's a max calculated based on what he's repping and people in the know seem to think 220 would be absurdly low for a college DB -- I'll assume that's true). So is there another lift it could be? Curious if anyone else has a guess.

220's way too low for any of the major compound lifts-- Squat, Deadlift, and Bench Press.

Maybe Overhead Press? That's not a very popular lift, though; I've never heard of it discussed as an "X Club".

 

[NDdomer2]

Now this was in highschool, but we had a 200 club where you got a shirt if you could bench 200 10 times.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It was probably a typo in the first place. Now wouldn't you all feel silly?

 

[koonja]

Maybe he's trying to catch Wilt and every time he crushes 10 more he notes it.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

220 bowling score?

I know the players like to go out bowling frequently.

 

[Rack Em]

Also moved to DOG from S per II article. Like Okwara, seems like it was Kelly's reaction to Spond's injury. I'm sure they're getting him used to Slaughter's STAR position from last year too.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I agree with you about the fifth defensive back thing. I think Kelly is moving CJ into that group that he cannot see keeping off of the field. I don't think unless Danny's recovery takes a really long time that CJ is likely to get on the field quickly as a DOG in his own right. Romeo will be a DOG with, Ben, Jaylon, Danny, (thank God!) and maybe CJ. But CJ is a special guy in another way; how many guys have a shot at breaking the two deep at linebacker and are finalists for punt return specialists? I think that bodes well for him getting on the field as a db specialist, and maybe a punt returner too.

Another big thing about the Class of '12 is that it will be a KILLER SPECIAL TEAMS CLASS!

 

[Old Man Mike]

I believe that the keys to the DOG/Drop linebacking position are two:

1). Pass coverage [obviously];
2). Ability to avoid taking on the blockers, rather than outwrestling them. Slaughter can react more quickly and make blockers miss entirely, thus minimizing the need for the constant mantra of "more weight". This is Troy Palomalo style defensive back play when he decides to mess up the line of scrimmage, or Honey Badger, for that matter. If Prosise has the instincts, and we know that he has the quicks and the coverage skills, there is no reason why such a "safety" can't be a great cover-oriented plus close-the-space linebacker.

Romeo to DOG on the other hand, completely blows my mind. I need to see him do it, I guess.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Don't forget Kelly likes a dog that can defeat a tight end, or disrupt him or a #2 receiver, to throw off coordination for the passing game. Two of the best athletes in '12 are Romeo and CJ. They both can do it, and that is saying a lot!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Romeo to DOG on the other hand, completely blows my mind. I need to see him do it, I guess.

I'm skeptical as well. Kelly lauded Niklas' ability in space last year, and though he did see some reps at the position, it clearly wasn't a good long-term fit for him. Players of his size and strength belong in the trenches, and that's just where he ended up.

I have the same feeling about Okwara. Surprisingly good in space for his size, so a temporary move to DOLB makes sense as the lack of depth gives him the best shot of seeing the field early. But I'd be very surprised if he settles in at DOG long term.

Conversely, I could see Prosise sticking at DOLB.

 

[Cackalacky]

I'm skeptical as well. Kelly lauded Niklas' ability in space last year, and though he did see some reps at the position, it clearly wasn't a good long-term fit for him. Players of his size and strength belong in the trenches, and that's just where he ended up.

I have the same feeling about Okwara. Surprisingly good in space for his size, so a temporary move to DOLB makes sense as the lack of depth gives him the best shot of seeing the field early. But I'd be very surprised if he settles in at DOG long term.

Conversely, I could see Prosise sticking at DOLB.

Are we assumming he will put on another few inches in height and 30-40 lbs, to play DOG, correct?

6'2' and 190 does not seem like an OLB to me. Thems safety #s. Maybe I dont understand the position of DOG, though.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Are we assumming he will put on another few inches in height and 30-40 lbs, to play DOG, correct?

6'2' and 190 does not seem like an OLB to me. Thems safety #s. Maybe I dont understand the position of DOG, though.

He's up to 208 lbs now...Still safety numbers though lol.

 

[obi wan mahoney]

Two things: I heard he came to campus bigger and stronger. And Woodberry is an excellent school; he should be able to handle ND.
(I teach at an inner-city middle school in Durham and we just sent 2 of our best students to Woodberry on gigantic scholarships. I'm really rooting for the kid.)

 

[Cali_domer]

He's up to 2008 lbs now...Still safety numbers though lol.

2008? what is his forty time? That seems a tad heavy.

 

[Cackalacky]

He's up to 2008 lbs now...Still safety numbers though lol.

2008 lbs! Thats like 6.17 Wiltforks. Let's line him up at NT and go 1-5-5.

J/k bro.

 

[Old Man Mike]

On Prosise's weight: he seems to weigh more than Slaughter, and we don't fear Jamoris in a "dog-like" role. Once again, the main idea is receiver coverage [which he's trained his whole young career to do], and "closing" in space [which requires DB-quality speed and quickness and avoiding the blockers rather than fighting them]. To Bog's point: yes, but there are a variety of ways to jam receivers at the line and then cover them. The smaller LB/S jams just enough to redirect route, then hopes to out-quick the TE in remaining coverage. A bigger LB might try to contain the TE longer, but in my opinion, sticking on the TE for several counts is a recipe for being completely blocked anytime the TE wants to [you're not going to knock even Eifert down.] And TEs [who are good] like the contact as they can shield you easier with their bodies to make contested catches.

Re: Prosise's height. Prosise is two inches taller than Slaughter. The height issue is not an issue if the guy has coverage skills. Height as we've discussed many times before, is only marginally relevant in that it roughly corresponds to arm-length. Armlength is the value we're looking for not "height". Does Prosise have good "length"? Even if he is just average for his height, it wouldn't necessarily be a showstopper as his overall pass defense skills are probably seriously better than our LBs.

On another way of looking: David Perkins was viewed as a perfect example of a 21st century speed and coverage and physical/attitude DOG last year while we were raving about the commit. His stats when he signed and resigned: 6'2", 209.

 

[Irishman77]

Wouldn't be shocked a bit if we see C.J. Move to ilb...get is very fast and probably 225 + already. Staff loves him and will see tons of playing time next year. We are loaded at safety....ilb makes soooo much sense!

 

[peoriairish]

Wouldn't be shocked a bit if we see C.J. Move to ilb...get is very fast and probably 225 + already. Staff loves him and will see tons of playing time next year. We are loaded at safety....ilb makes soooo much sense!

In theory, I wouldn't hate this. I was really high on the kid when he was recruited. Not sure of the logistics of it though.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Doubtful. If anyone moves to ilb, probably Rabasa again.

 

[Emcee77]

Doubtful. If anyone moves to ilb, probably Rabasa again.

I agree, I don't see this move. I know he puts on weight fairly easily, but I don't see him getting up above 240 like he'd have to to play ILB.

 

[rtrn2glory]

i'd say CJ is more likely to move to DOG if he were moving to the front 7...weren't there rumors of this over the summer

 

[Sherm Sticky]

i'd say CJ is more likely to move to DOG if he were moving to the front 7...weren't there rumors of this over the summer

He played Dog the whole summer. He was part of the linebackers 2012 team photo.

 

[rtrn2glory]

ya got me if true...i was under the impression he was a safety...we got him then and romeo not to mention jaylon sooooo, yea there's a log jam at DOG even if jaylon works at CAT at the beginning of camp

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I'd like the coaches to let CJ shed some weight and play safety.

 

[dublinirish]

as per BK today CJ will cross train at WR and S this spring.

 

[peoriairish]

as per BK today CJ will cross train at WR and S this spring.

Weird. Any reason why? I thought we were sitting pretty with WR depth. I know CJ is stupid fast, but as WR? Any input is welcome.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Weird. Any reason why? I thought we were sitting pretty with WR depth. I know CJ is stupid fast, but as WR? Any input is welcome.

His ball skills are impressive, and he was a very dangerous WR/ PR in high school.

I think the move is mainly due to the logjam at S right now. His odds of passing Collinsworth, Hardy, Farley, Baratti and Redfield are not good, so better to give him a shot at a position where he might actually see the field.

We don't have much in the way of proven possession receivers. Smith is a good blocker, but has consistently struggled making plays; Ferguson saw very little action last year; Massa's unlikely to ever be a significant contributor; and Robinson is a true freshman (and probably a project). There's definitely room for a big bodied WR with soft hands to break through on our depth chart in 2013.