'13 NC WR MarQuez North (Tennessee Verbal)

[rtrn2glory]

word is from the insiders is we have 3 spots left for sure and if the right elite guy comes along (ex: eddie v) then they'll make room for 4

 

[vuirish]

word is from the insiders is we have 3 spots left for sure and if the right elite guy comes along (ex: eddie v) then they'll make room for 4

Does that fourth spot come from a fifth year guy or is there a medical hardship that comes into play?

 

[Emcee77]

word is from the insiders is we have 3 spots left for sure and if the right elite guy comes along (ex: eddie v) then they'll make room for 4

Does that fourth spot come from a fifth year guy or is there a medical hardship that comes into play?

If "insiders" means the BGI guys in Tunnel Vision, they didn't say where the spots would come from in terms of 5Y's or career-ending injuries ... they just said that they have confirmed that we'll take three more recruits in the 2013 class, possibly four.

 

[yankeeND]

I wonder if that magic number(slots remaining) changes with a big win over Bammer? That changes things pretty dramatically. I look forward to this final month for the 13' class.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I love DD and TJ, and they are good. My point is, North is bigger, stronger, faster coming out of HS (much more blue-chippish and physically ready, and rated higher). Also, at this point, I would not call either DD or TJ elite. Solid and productive yes, but they are not among the nation's elite yet. Both have been a product of an O in flux, with a young QB learning through the season. Brown was low rated, but he has the speed to become elite once he works on size. TJ will also be a senior in 2013, so you can bet BK is looking for the new bullet to reload. From everything I've read, the only thing North needs is polish in the route running space.

I don't totally agree with that statement towards Daniels. Daniels was highly rated and was big coming out of high school.

No one is saying Daniels is elite, but North won't come in to Notre Dame next year and start I'll tell you that.

BTW ESPN and 247 had Daniels rated higher than North.

 

[Irish8248]

I love DD and TJ, and they are good. My point is, North is bigger, stronger, faster coming out of HS (much more blue-chippish and physically ready, and rated higher). Also, at this point, I would not call either DD or TJ elite. Solid and productive yes, but they are not among the nation's elite yet. Both have been a product of an O in flux, with a young QB learning through the season. Brown was low rated, but he has the speed to become elite once he works on size. TJ will also be a senior in 2013, so you can bet BK is looking for the new bullet to reload. From everything I've read, the only thing North needs is polish in the route running space.

An unproven freshman its going to come in and replace one of these two productive receivers? .... Cmon ... Hopefully I'm just misreading your posts

 

[PANDFAN]

he looks fast i will say that

 

[Luckylucci]

Obviously if the staff is looking at North they view him as a high quality receiver. However, TJ and Daniels have been playing much better this year. TJ has made some huge plays and so has Daniels. No way that if we were to land North (not gonna happen) that he would start come week one over TJ or Daniels.

 

[Old North State Irish]

I live in the suburbs of Charlotte and have seen both Woods from Charlotte Catholic and North from Mallard Creek H.S. quite a bit. They both would add a lot of value to the Notre Dame team. Wood is a very tough runner to take dow-kind of the Stephon Taylor brand. North is fast and lean. He will be a big time baller IMO.

 

[NDhoosier]

If "insiders" means the BGI guys in Tunnel Vision, they didn't say where the spots would come from in terms of 5Y's or career-ending injuries ... they just said that they have confirmed that we'll take three more recruits in the 2013 class, possibly four.

The number right now is 7... Most insiders and most of ND's fanbase expect/want four 5th years to come back: Martin, Watt, Fox, and Calabrese. That will leave only 3 spots for new recruits: AQM, Redfield, Folston. A 4th recruit would knock out a 5th year. There is no info on any medical hardships or transfers, but if one of those does happen, the number would increase to 8.

 

[scUM Hater]

Still don't see room for North, but I am just looking from the stands. I am sure the coaches have knowledge of "silent" commits and what is available. My only thing is that Calabrese wouldn't be a huge loss. He can't cover anyone, coaches did a great job of disguising that this year.

 

[Luckylucci]

I have no idea where a 4th spot comes from just know that BGI has been very consistent sayin that if an elite receiver or can't miss prospect is available, a 4th spot would be too. North seems to fall in that category with Demarcus Robinson and treadwell for receivers.

 

[ALLGATOR]

I have no idea where a 4th spot comes from just know that BGI has been very consistent sayin that if an elite receiver or can't miss prospect is available, a 4th spot would be too. North seems to fall in that category with Demarcus Robinson and treadwell for receivers.

ding ding ding !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the staff could get North to pick ND they would take him.

 

[Booslum31]

But if his dad is wanting him to go to a school where he will getting playing time from the start, that's a red flag. Not a RKG if this is true.

Not exactly the advice that a father should be giving here IMO. No doubt this kid is fantastic. Very impressed with size, speed, and hands. The advice should be to play your way onto the field at an elite school. Heck, every coach wants to win...he'll play you (and throw to you) if you are that good.

 

[Irish YJ]

An unproven freshman its going to come in and replace one of these two productive receivers? .... Cmon ... Hopefully I'm just misreading your posts

Did I ever say he would come in and start? I'm saying the situation, looking at it from a father/outsider wouldn't scare a kid if he thinks he's elite.

I would also caution anyone to think a freshman can't come in and start, regardless of position. There are plenty out there that start for top 20 teams. Not likely, not practical, but it does happen.

 

[BGIF]

Did I ever say he would come in and start? I'm saying the situation, looking at it from a father/outsider wouldn't scare a kid if he thinks he's elite.

I would also caution anyone to think a freshman can't come in and start, regardless of position. There are plenty out there that start for top 20 teams. Not likely, not practical, but it does happen.

Your last two sentences contradict each other ... "plenty" ... "not likely, not practical, but it does happen". Some or a few would have been more appropriate as there are more than 2000 recruits each year.

Some do make it depending depending on their development, the competition at the position, the injury list, the complexity of the offense, and how bad the team is.


In a previous post you noted,

From everything I've read, the only thing North needs is polish in the route running space.

It's one thing for a talented athlete like Golden Tate to "go long down the sideline" in a Charlie Weis offense and another that needs route work to fit in as a starter in a Kelly Offense. In addition to route running, reading defenses and being on the same page as the QB is a skill generally not required or developed in HS studs.

 

[NDhoosier]

I have no idea where a 4th spot comes from just know that BGI has been very consistent sayin that if an elite receiver or can't miss prospect is available, a 4th spot would be too. North seems to fall in that category with Demarcus Robinson and treadwell for receivers.

They are saying the staff is willing to take only three 5th years in favor of one of those elite talents.

Your last two sentences contradict each other ... "plenty" ... "not likely, not practical, but it does happen". Some or a few would have been more appropriate as there are more than 2000 recruits each year.

I didnt see it as a contradiction, I just think you being a bit too nit-picky. Plenty is a subjective term.

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

Just wondering but it looks like we have a pretty good shot with 4 prospects now (AQM, Redfield, Folston, Vanderdoes) How would we even have room for this guy?

 

[koonja]

Just wondering but it looks like we have a pretty good shot with 4 prospects now (AQM, Redfield, Folston, Vanderdoes) How would we even have room for this guy?

Pretty good shot with 4 guys, but it's about 80% probably that we do not get all 4 of the above. Put AQM at 65%, Redfield at 90%, Folston at 90% and EV at 40% and the likelihood of landing all 4 is ~20%.

But to answer your question, IF we cash in and get the above 4, IMO you let a 5th year go and take North. Elite talent for 4 years vs. one year from a senior.

I think you guys would be surprised about how cut-throat recruiting is when you get elite 5-star type players that want in at the last minute.

 

[Emcee77]

I have no idea where a 4th spot comes from just know that BGI has been very consistent sayin that if an elite receiver or can't miss prospect is available, a 4th spot would be too. North seems to fall in that category with Demarcus Robinson and treadwell for receivers.

Not sure they've been even that specific, have they? In the latest Tunnel Vision they said we have three confirmed spots and maybe a fourth. They didn't say what has to happen for us to be able to take a fourth. Could depend on whether Tate Nichols gets put on medical.

They are saying the staff is willing to take only three 5th years in favor of one of those elite talents.

See above ... they haven't been clear about where a potential fourth spot would come from. It could depend on a guy having to get put on medical scholarship, as opposed to cutting loose a 5Y.

 

[Rocky2820]

Not sure they've been even that specific, have they? In the latest Tunnel Vision they said we have three confirmed spots and maybe a fourth. They didn't say what has to happen for us to be able to take a fourth. Could depend on whether Tate Nichols gets put on medical.

Emcee, any idea whether Cierre potentially declaring for the draft has been factored into that count? I didn't see the last Tunnel Vision, so I'm not sure how detailed they got.

 

[Emcee77]

Not sure they've been even that specific, have they? In the latest Tunnel Vision they said we have three confirmed spots and maybe a fourth. They didn't say what has to happen for us to be able to take a fourth. Could depend on whether Tate Nichols gets put on medical.

Emcee, any idea whether Cierre potentially declaring for the draft has been factored into that count? I didn't see the last Tunnel Vision, so I'm not sure how detailed they got.

No, I'd just be guessing. They didn't get into any detail at all. They just said three confirmed spots, maybe a fourth.

 

[NDhoosier]

Not sure they've been even that specific, have they? In the latest Tunnel Vision they said we have three confirmed spots and maybe a fourth. They didn't say what has to happen for us to be able to take a fourth. Could depend on whether Tate Nichols gets put on medical.



See above ... they haven't been clear about where a potential fourth spot would come from. It could depend on a guy having to get put on medical scholarship, as opposed to cutting loose a 5Y.

Nothing regarding medical hardships have been reported yet, so that is only speculation. These numbers are based on what we actually KNOW.

 

[scUM Hater]

Nothing regarding medical hardships have been reported yet, so that is only speculation. These numbers are based on what we actually KNOW.

Collinsworth with back surgery? Coaches says he would be ready for spring practice though. We'll see.

 

[Emcee77]

Nothing regarding medical hardships have been reported yet, so that is only speculation. These numbers are based on what we actually KNOW.

My point is that you don't know what these numbers are based on. We wouldn't know that the staff plans to take three more 2013 guys, maybe four, except that the BGI guys have reported it -- and that's all they have reported. They haven't reported how the staff gets to that number.

 

[Luckylucci]

Emcee, my understanding of the last couple of TV's is basically the same as you are noting. I agree with the the way you use a 4 spot being maybe available. However I think the maybe part of it is because we aren't going to take any 4th. Only an impact player gets that spot. I think there are only a few prospects that fall into that category.

 

[stlnd01]

My point is that you don't know what these numbers are based on. We wouldn't know that the staff plans to take three more 2013 guys, maybe four, except that the BGI guys have reported it -- and that's all they have reported. They haven't reported how the staff gets to that number.

Also - and correct me if I'm wrong - but you only need to be at 85 by the time next school year/season starts. Not on Signing Day. Right? There's a lot of time between February and August for individual situations to change

This is how oversigning works, of course, and I'm not suggested we'll do that. But the staff may know of someone who's planning to transfer but hasn't said so publicly (Gunner Kiel!), or an impending medical. And when was the last time no one transferred/flunked out/medical-ed between the bowl game and Labor Day weekend? It happens every year.

As for how many come back, it certainly seems to be in the neighborhood of three to four "likely" returnees (Martin, Watt, Fox and Calabrese) plus a "maybe" in Wood. I guess Eifert could come back. Or Slaughter gets a sixth. Or someone like Dan McCarthy gets a fifth. Maybe someone unexpected (Shembo?) jumps to the NFL and opens a slot. But those all seem unlikely.
So basically you're down to three or four spots, and unless you know of an impending departure, that means probably weighing Calabrese vs. a recruit. If Wood stays, too, of course, it gets even more complicated.

But these are seriously first world problems. Choosing between veteran starters on a national championship contender and Top 100 recruits. Could be a lot worse.

 

[GBdomer]

Looks like he won't be making this visit. Planning on announcing this weekend.

 

[STLDomer]

Committed to Tennessee

Little bit of a late suprise, was expected to go UNC but Tennessee is closing strong (could get Vonn Bell)

 

[BeauBenken]

Committed to Tennessee

Little bit of a late suprise, was expected to go UNC but Tennessee is closing strong (could get Vonn Bell)

I would be excited about that.