'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

[DANsanity15]

Not trying to start any speculation, just a question.. With Gunner not taking trips to both OK and U$C and the solid play from Everett, is there a possibility he might transfer?

 

[irishff1014]

Not trying to start any speculation, just a question.. With Gunner not taking trips to both OK and U$C and the solid play from Everett, is there a possibility he might transfer?

Wow i didn't know that he didn't travel with the team again.

 

[irishknight35]

Wow i didn't know that he didn't travel with the team again.

It might hurt his ego but it was strictly a player management decision for him not to travel. We have Golson the starter with Rees and Hendrix to back him up if need be and in a worst case scenario Goodman can play QB as well. Thats at least three guys at one position. Guys like Stanley and Jarrone Jones are much closer to getting on the field due to injury than Gunner is. Along with the reduced number of players allowed to travel you gotta take who might actually have to play.

If I'm Gunner I realize this and take it in stride while I continue to craft my mental game. He should be trying to push Goslon in practice and preparing himself for meaningful playing time in the future.

 

[koonja]

Not trying to start any speculation, just a question.. With Gunner not taking trips to both OK and U$C and the solid play from Everett, is there a possibility he might transfer?

Of course. I don't see how someone could un-seat Golson after what he's done as a first time starter. But there's no reason to believe he will at this point. Nothing's been said.

 

[woolybug25]

Next time someone wants to know about Kiel transferring, just read the dang thread. This has been talked about over and over and over and over again.

I am seriously about to lose my $hit....

 

[Emcee77]

Not trying to start any speculation, just a question.. With Gunner not taking trips to both OK and U$C and the solid play from Everett, is there a possibility he might transfer?

Not based on those trips alone, no ... Kelly was asked about the OU game and said that Gunner didn't make the trip because they had to take additional administrators to that game and there just wasn't room for Gunner. I imagine there is a similar reason that Gunner didn't travel to USC.

I'm not worried about Gunner transferring at this point. He has to know that he has four years of eligibility left and anything can happen. Golson could get hurt (God forbid). He could run into academic issues. He could even lose the starting job, if Gunner is the true prodigy who can make every throw that we hope he is (Golson has been great but not perfect ... a better qb is going to be rare but it's not inconceivable). All those things are unlikely, sure, but I think the chance is enough to prevent you from taking the drastic step of transferring somewhere else and starting over until you really start to sweat your eligibility expiring.

 

[irishff1014]

Not based on those trips alone, no ... Kelly was asked about the OU game and said that Gunner didn't make the trip because they had to take additional administrators to that game and there just wasn't room for Gunner. I imagine there is a similar reason that Gunner didn't travel to USC.

I'm not worried about Gunner transferring at this point. He has to know that he has four years of eligibility left and anything can happen. Golson could get hurt (God forbid). He could run into academic issues. He could even lose the starting job, if Gunner is the true prodigy who can make every throw that we hope he is (Golson has been great but not perfect ... a better qb is going to be rare but it's not inconceivable). All those things are unlikely, sure, but I think the chance is enough to prevent you from taking the drastic step of transferring somewhere else and starting over until you really start to sweat your eligibility expiring.

I was trying to say he was transfering. I just didn't know that he didn't make the trip. I don't think he tranfers either i think he chose ND for more then just football.

 

[pumpdog20]

He doesn't have the chest to leave ND.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Not trying to start any speculation, just a question.. With Gunner not taking trips to both OK and U$C and the solid play from Everett, is there a possibility he might transfer?

He will be given an opportunity to be the starter in the spring and summer camps. Next season he will almost certainly see action if he works on his game as all of us (and more importantly the coaching staff) expect that he would. How many games this year did Everett take every snap? If Gunner stays focused on improving, I would expect that he would enter next season as the #2 QB on the depth chart and knowing that he is an injury away from being the starter or a bad performance away from getting some game reps. Just my $.02

 

[Whiskeyjack]

He will be given an opportunity to be the starter in the spring and summer camps. Next season he will almost certainly see action if he works on his game as all of us (and more importantly the coaching staff) expect that he would. How many games this year did Everett take every snap? If Gunner stays focused on improving, I would expect that he would enter next season as the #2 QB on the depth chart and knowing that he is an injury away from being the starter or a bad performance away from getting some game reps. Just my $.02

^

Golson isn't a big kid. He's almost guaranteed to get knocked out of a game or two next season (e.g. Denard Robinson). Kiel will get plenty of opportunities to showcase his skills.

If he ultimately ends up transferring, it will be because he simply couldn't win the job; not because he couldn't get a fair shake here. ND wins either way. No sense in worrying about it.

 

[BGIF]

It might hurt his ego but it was strictly a player management decision for him not to travel. We have Golson the starter with Rees and Hendrix to back him up if need be and in a worst case scenario Goodman can play QB as well. Thats at least three guys at one position. Guys like Stanley and Jarrone Jones are much closer to getting on the field due to injury than Gunner is. Along with the reduced number of players allowed to travel you gotta take who might actually have to play.

If I'm Gunner I realize this and take it in stride while I continue to craft my mental game. He should be trying to push Goslon in practice and preparing himself for meaningful playing time in the future.

Not based on those trips alone, no ... Kelly was asked about the OU game and said that Gunner didn't make the trip because they had to take additional administrators to that game and there just wasn't room for Gunner. I imagine there is a similar reason that Gunner didn't travel to USC.

I'm not worried about Gunner transferring at this point. He has to know that he has four years of eligibility left and anything can happen. Golson could get hurt (God forbid). He could run into academic issues. He could even lose the starting job, if Gunner is the true prodigy who can make every throw that we hope he is (Golson has been great but not perfect ... a better qb is going to be rare but it's not inconceivable). All those things are unlikely, sure, but I think the chance is enough to prevent you from taking the drastic step of transferring somewhere else and starting over until you really start to sweat your eligibility expiring.

I don't know the circumstances for Gunner and USC but IrishKnight's point about player management and travel squad size is valid. So is Emcee's point about the additional administrators on OU Trip.

I was aware of uniformed travel squad player limitations but found the adminstrator comment bizarre. I've since learned that the NCAA has a limit on Non-uniformed people on the sidelines. I believe it's 60. Jack Swarbrick counts as one of those as an example. I assume there's NCAA paper work that has to be filled out to identify the uniformed travel squad AND the non-uniformed personal, be they administrators, support personnel, or non-uniformed players injured or not.

Back in the days when Bear Bryant used tennis, track, or baseball scholarships to hide extra football players, he probably hide some on the travel squad as well in case more bodies were needed. People complain about NCAA regs but it coaches didn't abuse things, nosus decipito, the regs would be a lot thinner.

Gunner wasn't single out. He got bumped by some "brass".

 

[Chris P. Bacon]

Not trying to start any speculation, just a question.. With Gunner not taking trips to both OK and U$C and the solid play from Everett, is there a possibility he might transfer?

Agree with the post above and also like to add that he didn't make it to OKLA based on room and need, him going would have meant someone else primarily on defense where we are the thinest probably wouldn't go. Not sure we need 4 quarterbacks traveling with us across the country. I didn't follow this board that closely last year, but I'm guessing Golson probably didn't travel and or was ever a thought of being needed last year, with him being # 4 on the depth chart. Though I did see him a lot last year calling in the signals with his red had, something I haven't seen Gunner do much this year. I think it's way to early to tell what his role will be next year, gunner has got to be happy to be with ND, if not for playing time for his acedemics and location. Location obviously played a big role for him deciding on ND. I also think if he is as good as everyone thinks or knows he is, he will definitly have the opprotunity to compete for the job. Every tid bit of info I ever see or hear about him on here is he is grasping the playbook nicely, which is really all he can do right now. Master that playbook this season and work your but off and force yourself and Golson to be the best you can be to lead our Irish to another undefeated season next year. Where we will obviously be a better team next year than we are this year. My only point on that is were playing with a lot of young talent who are gaining a ton of experience and can only make our team better next year. On top of all the injuries we've had to face this year, we will have a ton of talent coming back and even more coming in. Obvious losses with Teo and our oline leaving and Motta and KLM, but I feel they've left a nice legacy and laid out the frame work for our underclassmen next year.

 

[Grahambo]

^

Golson isn't a big kid. He's almost guaranteed to get knocked out of a game or two next season (e.g. Denard Robinson). Kiel will get plenty of opportunities to showcase his skills.

If he ultimately ends up transferring, it will be because he simply couldn't win the job; not because he couldn't get a fair shake here. ND wins either way. No sense in worrying about it.

This many times over. EG has been shaken quite a few times this season and already missed a game due to injury. A body like his can get hit oh so many times before it breaks apart. Some will say, "Well, he can bulk up in the offseason." Maybe so but then how much does that hurt his mobility and arm strength? It's a catch-22 for him.

Kiel will give EG a run for his money. I think we may see more of a 2 QB system next season.

I don't know the circumstances for Gunner and USC but IrishKnight's point about player management and travel squad size is valid. So is Emcee's point about the additional administrators on OU Trip.

I was aware of uniformed travel squad player limitations but found the adminstrator comment bizarre. I've since learned that the NCAA has a limit on Non-uniformed people on the sidelines. I believe it's 60. Jack Swarbrick counts as one of those as an example. I assume there's NCAA paper work that has to be filled out to identify the uniformed travel squad AND the non-uniformed personal, be they administrators, support personnel, or non-uniformed players injured or not.

Back in the days when Bear Bryant used tennis, track, or baseball scholarships to hide extra football players, he probably hide some on the travel squad as well in case more bodies were needed. People complain about NCAA regs but it coaches didn't abuse things, nosus decipito, the regs would be a lot thinner.

Gunner wasn't single out. He got bumped by some "brass".

I'm willing to bet a ton of vbucks its because of the above stated by BGIF. Kelly has said all season that Kiel travels so he can get a feel for how road trips work. No reason why BK would not allow Kiel to travel unless it truly came down to a numbers game.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

This many times over. EG has been shaken quite a few times this season and already missed a game due to injury. A body like his can get hit oh so many times before it breaks apart. Some will say, "Well, he can bulk up in the offseason." Maybe so but then how much does that hurt his mobility and arm strength? It's a catch-22 for him.

Kiel will give EG a run for his money. I think we may see more of a 2 QB system next season.




I'm willing to bet a ton of vbucks its because of the above stated by BGIF. Kelly has said all season that Kiel travels so he can get a feel for how road trips work. No reason why BK would not allow Kiel to travel unless it truly came down to a numbers game.

How well do you think Kiel will handle the playbook?

Better than EG this year?

 

[Domina Nostra]

I think Kiel is going to be good and is going to stay for his career unless he gets passed by Zaire (which I have no reason to think will happen at this point). But I also think Kelly is dying for a clear-cut starter an my guess is that he goes with the guy who went 10-0-2 last year (gotta give Tommy a little credit!).

IMO, Kiel will emerge as Numero Dos next year and play a lot of minutes.

I wish they could find something to do with Hendrix. Shouldn't he be holding all FG snaps at the very least?

 

[Buster Bluth]

I wish they could find something to do with Hendrix. Shouldn't he be holding all FG snaps at the very least?

Who is the holder?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Who is the holder?

Good question. I think its Turk. Not positive.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Turk is the holder.

 

[tadman95]

Carrying 4 QB's on the road is a luxury, no big deal he didn't travel. Well maybe for him but I would bet he understands the constraints.

 

[Grahambo]

How well do you think Kiel will handle the playbook?

Better than EG this year?

It's possible. Hard to gauge somebody's knowledge when you don't see them on an everyday basis like BK does. I would imagine at this point, for someone who does mostly scout work, that he would be behind but I honestly have no idea how to even guess.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

It's possible. Hard to gauge somebody's knowledge when you don't see them on an everyday basis like BK does. I would imagine at this point, for someone who does mostly scout work, that he would be behind but I honestly have no idea how to even guess.

I just don't see Kelly putting in another RS freshman to go through the same growing pains that EG is going through when the team will be in the hunt for another BCS bowl game. Unless Kiel just gets the playbook down, what reason would Kelly have to get him in there when he could still be working on EG?

Look what happened to Wittek at USC against a good D.

 

[Irish YJ]

I think it's the playbook, but also the ability to progress through reads. EG is growing, and getting better with every game. And I love this kid. That said, he still has trouble at times going through reads. On the other hand, his legs and his fight make up for it. I thought he'd be better (playbook and reads) by now, but I have to remind myself, he's only a RS Frosh.

If the playbook and read progression are second nature to GK, then you will see a damn good competition in the spring. Early on, I did hear things like, "GK is a student of the game" and "is a cerebral gun slinger". We'll see. I don't care either way, so long as the best player gets the job. Love them both! Great problem to have.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

We'll know a lot more this spring

 

[Irish YJ]

Two things come to mind when thinking about EG's 2nd year. BK has kept the training wheels on, and has not opened up the playbook. He'll expect more next year from EG, that's for sure. In EG's favor, the game slows down a lot in a QB's second year. They have a year of experience to draw from, and a long spring/summer to evaulate and think on. It will be interesting, that's for sure.

 

[stlnd01]

Two things come to mind when thinking about EG's 2nd year. BK has kept the training wheels on, and has not opened up the playbook. He'll expect more next year from EG, that's for sure. In EG's favor, the game slows down a lot in a QB's second year. They have a year of experience to draw from, and a long spring/summer to evaulate and think on. It will be interesting, that's for sure.

Kiel will have to be pretty damn good to walk in and take the job from a QB who went on the road and won night games at Michigan State, Oklahoma and USC. Not to mention the whole undefeated business.

 

[Crimson streak]

Two things come to mind when thinking about EG's 2nd year. BK has kept the training wheels on, and has not opened up the playbook. He'll expect more next year from EG, that's for sure. In EG's favor, the game slows down a lot in a QB's second year. They have a year of experience to draw from, and a long spring/summer to evaulate and think on. It will be interesting, that's for sure.

I could see Kelly opening up the play book big time in the national title game. He has a lot of his play book that no one has seen and I would love to see him let it all out on jan 7th

 

[stlnd01]

I wish they could find something to do with Hendrix. Shouldn't he be holding all FG snaps at the very least?

Any chance he becomes some sort of receiving tight end? He's got the size and speed for it.
Not sure we need 5 QBs on scholarship next year, three of whom will have 3+ years of eligibility.

 

[Grahambo]

Any chance he becomes some sort of receiving tight end? He's got the size and speed for it.
Not sure we need 5 QBs on scholarship next year, three of whom will have 3+ years of eligibility.

Too short to be a TE IMO.

 

[alohagoirish]

Golson has been improving on a very steep curve. He has been a few touchdown passes in the redzone away from being fantastic. He is sacked so rarely its uncanny--his ball handling and fakes are superior---His passes are very sharp ---Most all his mistakes were in the opening few games. His ability to carry the whole offense in the PITT game was impressive. Since the Oklahoma game he has been awful good.

Golson will be the clear starter. #2 is problematic, its going to be very difficult to replace REES a senior that has years of expereince and has already come in an won when it was on the line, with a redshirt frosh , no matter his pedigree & skills. If Golson goes down in a close game i betcha it will STILL be REES.

Gunner is in an awkward & somewhat difficult spot, with the rising star Golson nearly impossible to beat out straight up---with REES a veteran that has proven he can win---and with Malik ( golson 2.0) coming in. Makes you wonder.

 

[greyhammer90]

If Golson continues to get better Gunner could get a lot of reps as a back-up.