Gunner's Role in 13'

[yankeeND]

So isnt this the same question between Tony Rice and Rick Mirer. Lets just remember that winning is the goal of the game and not putting up huge numbers. By the way I'm okay with competition but playing redshirt Freshmen at QB every year is not going to move the program forward.

That's a very good point. You don't want to have to play a frosh every year at QB. I guess the reason I posed the question was I feel that Golson is gonna do some great things here! You can see he has the "it" factor and I am thinking that Kiel can keep the train rolling once EG moves on. I just think it would be nice if he could see some action each game next year while making plays and scoring points being an asset to the team. Gunner is a big kid and I feel he could be a force sooner than later if that's what Kelly wants to do? Time will solve all of this just a little wishful thinking on my part!

 

[woolybug25]

I'll say this... when has Kelly had a season where he hasn't played multiple QB's?

Even when he had high performing QB's (LeFevour, Pike) he sprinkled in other guys either to change pace or because the starter got hurt extending plays.

For anyone to think that this wont continue (it has been the case so far at ND too) is to completely disregard over 20 years of historical evidence against the contrary.

 

[ryno 24]

I'll say this... when has Kelly had a season where he hasn't played multiple QB's?

Even when he had high performing QB's (LeFevour, Pike) he sprinkled in other guys either to change pace or because the starter got hurt extending plays.

For anyone to think that this wont continue (it has been the case so far at ND too) is to completely disregard over 20 years of historical evidence against the contrary.

I agree completely but to think that Golson will get beat out after being undefeated so far is unreasonable (but not proposterous). Just because Gunner is the shiny new toy does not mean he necessarily will be better than Golson. Golson has put his heart on the field a couple of times this year and to say because his numbers are Heisman winning right now he will not win the qb job next year is ridiculous.

I also think Gunner does have enough chest to stick around and he will lead this team to a BCS game in 3-4 years.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'll say this... when has Kelly had a season where he hasn't played multiple QB's?

Even when he had high performing QB's (LeFevour, Pike) he sprinkled in other guys either to change pace or because the starter got hurt extending plays.

For anyone to think that this wont continue (it has been the case so far at ND too) is to completely disregard over 20 years of historical evidence against the contrary.

Agree 100%. Even though BK says that he prefers a 1 QB system, I'd like to know when that was .

All this talk about EG getting us to 9-0, possibly undefeated, and to the NC. I will say this... He has improved, and he has a much higher ceiling. He however is not what got us here. Our D has got us here.

I honestly don't care either way (EG vs GK). I think competition between the two will take both to another level. Like Wooly says, to think we won't see both regardless of the situation, is unrealistic and ignoring history. I also trust BK. If one clearly elevates their game, and cements the job, great. If one transfers, that's fine / we're fine. We have MZ waiting in the wings. I do hope both stay, and both have a chance to contribute to the team success. We are a mobile QB system, which will produce unjuries. That said, we need to two capable guys anyway if we are to roll year in year out.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I have consulted with both Mountain William and dshans and it is our consensus that everyone will transfer. We base this on a quietly missed presscon remark by Kelly that he's had it up to here with these quarterbacks, so he is initiating an offense with NO quarterback.

Early glimpses of the playbook show Hegarty rolling the ball into the backfield while several RBs and slots try to beat the others in picking it up. This should ensure that the quickest most game-ready person gets the ball everytime. From that point forward the offense relies on a completely stunned defense and DC to freelance through gaps which no one could prepare for.

All this sounds exciting to us.

 

[Irish YJ]

I have consulted with both Mountain William and dshans and it is our consensus that everyone will transfer. We base this on a quietly missed presscon remark by Kelly that he's had it up to here with these quarterbacks, so he is initiating an offense with NO quarterback.

Early glimpses of the playbook show Hegarty rolling the ball into the backfield while several RBs and slots try to beat the others in picking it up. This should ensure that the quickest most game-ready person gets the ball everytime. From that point forward the offense relies on a completely stunned defense and DC to freelance through gaps which no one could prepare for.

All this sounds exciting to us.

I can certainly understand dshans wanting to grammar hammer the ball into the endzone.

 

[dshans]

I have consulted with both Mountain William and dshans and it is our consensus that everyone will transfer. We base this on a quietly missed presscon remark by Kelly that he's had it up to here with these quarterbacks, so he is initiating an offense with NO quarterback.

Early glimpses of the playbook show Hegarty rolling the ball into the backfield while several RBs and slots try to beat the others in picking it up. This should ensure that the quickest most game-ready person gets the ball everytime. From that point forward the offense relies on a completely stunned defense and DC to freelance through gaps which no one could prepare for.

All this sounds exciting to us.

Yep. Rugby's my game. Love me some scrums ...

 

[dshans]

I can certainly understand dshans wanting to grammar hammer the ball into the endzone.

Not just a grammar hammer. I'll accept claw, ball peen and jack.

 

[stlnd01]

why? this is a forum, we can speculate all we want. This is a very good question.

But it comes up four times a week. It's not that good a question.

Will there be a QB battle this off season between Kiel and Golson? Does the loser transfer?

Yes, or at least there should be.

No. Certainly not before next season. After next season, who knows what might happen. But I suspect we'll have a very good quarterback situation by then.

 

[kmoose]

Because its a message board, and what we say doesn't matter.

How about because the expectations for Kiel, for next season, will be kind of dependent on how Golson continues (or doesn't continue) to progress, THIS season. If Golson continues to grow at the rate he has, Kiel will be getting hemorrhoids next year from all of the time parking his a$$ on that cold bench.

 

[Irish YJ]

How about because the expectations for Kiel, for next season, will be kind of dependent on how Golson continues (or doesn't continue) to progress, THIS season. If Golson continues to grow at the rate he has, Kiel will be getting hemorrhoids next year from all of the time parking his a$$ on that cold bench.

Maybe, maybe not. Can we stop focussing on this year.

 

[BGIF]

How about because the expectations for Kiel, for next season, will be kind of dependent on how Golson continues (or doesn't continue) to progress, THIS season. If Golson continues to grow at the rate he has, Kiel will be getting hemorrhoids next year from all of the time parking his a$$ on that cold bench.

... Kelly will still be yanking him out to point out coverages and progressions. If Kiel gets the chance to get on the field, he's going to play a lot better than Tommy making it a lot harder for Golson to get back in.

Wally Pipp was a good player. Gehrig showed he was better when he got the chance.

A 119 QB EFF Rating that started out at 151 after the first game of the season isn't a lock. It's an open invitation.

 

[kmoose]

Maybe, maybe not. Can we stop focussing on this year.

There's no maybe not about it. If Golson is playing well, Kelly is going to ride him. What Kelly will NOT do, is take his (presumably) best offensive weapon out of the game, just to keep a backup from transferring.

To think otherwise is just foolish.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

... Kelly will still be yanking him out to point out coverages and progressions. If Kiel gets the chance to get on the field, he's going to play a lot better than Tommy making it a lot harder for Golson to get back in.

Wally Pipp was a good player. Gehrig showed he was better when he got the chance.

A 119 QB EFF Rating that started out at 151 after the first game of the season isn't a lock. It's an open invitation.

And Kiel will be able to do this because......

 

[Irish YJ]

There's no maybe not about it. If Golson is playing well, Kelly is going to ride him. What Kelly will NOT do, is take his (presumably) best offensive weapon out of the game, just to keep a backup from transferring.

To think otherwise is just foolish.

Sorry, forgot my italics. I will say though, Until the ball is snapped against UM, we just won't know in my opinion. Even if EG grows, we can not assume GK does not have the talent to look even better. I trust BK to make that call. Not worried.

 

[BGIF]

There's no maybe not about it. If Golson is playing well, Kelly is going to ride him. What Kelly will NOT do, is take his (presumably) best offensive weapon out of the game, just to keep a backup from transferring.

To think otherwise is just foolish.

It amazing how the 86th rank Div 1 QB has been anointed the 4 yr QB because he can outrun Rees.

ND doesn't need to recruit a QB for 3 more years. The fans have written.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

It amazing how the 86th rank Div 1 QB has been anointed the 4 yr QB because he can outrun Rees.

ND doesn't need to recruit a QB for 3 more years. The fans have written.

Don't watch much football?

 

[dshans]

Don't watch much football?

Don't catch much knowledgeably based sarcasm?

Schtuff happens. On both sides of the ball.

Settle down, everyone.

 

[Riddickulous]

I think he'll get the snaps in mop-up duty. Rees will start if Golson can't play.

 

[woolybug25]

I think he'll get the snaps in mop-up duty. Rees will start if Golson can't play.

I think you are wrong on this.

 

[irishog77]

Don't catch much knowledgeably based sarcasm?

Schtuff happens. On both sides of the ball.

Settle down, everyone.

Real word, sir?

 

[choo choo]

well...lets see...if he gets better, he can come in and take a snap when golson looses his helmet instead of rees...

 

[BGIF]

Real word, sir?

Yes.

 

[Patulski]

There's no maybe not about it. If Golson is playing well, Kelly is going to ride him. What Kelly will NOT do, is take his (presumably) best offensive weapon out of the game, just to keep a backup from transferring.

To think otherwise is just foolish.

Though I think Golson really helps our offense with his running, he is still underthrowing wide open players which is limiting a big play passing game. Last night he had Riddick wide open in the middle of the field, but threw it at his knees forcing Riddick to go to the ground to catch the ball instead of catching the ball in stride and taking it downfield. Daniels had his man beat deep, but Golson was late with the ball, which made it a jump ball.

It is going to be interesting: If Golson develops his passing, he's going to be hard to unseat. if not, and Kiel is the real deal with reads and accuracy, it will be a QB battle. It's a good problem to have.

 

[woolybug25]

There's no maybe not about it. If Golson is playing well, Kelly is going to ride him. What Kelly will NOT do, is take his (presumably) best offensive weapon out of the game, just to keep a backup from transferring.

To think otherwise is just foolish.

I think it bears repeating that Kelly has never done what you are suggesting in over 20 years of coaching. Pike was a Heisman candidate for several weeks and Lefevour was an insane stat monster that may never be repeated by any Kelly QB. Both of these guys had other QB's come in and play for them throughout their entire careers. Kelly has always used two QB's and to believe your comment above, you are ignoring a large amount of historical data against it.

 

[Green Mountains]

Gunner has the body of Collin Klein (or will next fall). As the number 1 QB recruit, is it a reach to think that he would have the football sense of Johnny Football? (or 80% of it.) IF that is close to reality, Gunner would be number 1 next year.

EG has struggled in executing the passing game, but I think he has come a LONG way in the run game. Did anyone notice the ball security focus in the BC game? He was tucking it as a running back, not carrying like Michael Vick does. That's major learning. I think EG will continue to develop on the passing side in the same way he has developed in the option game.

With that said, I believe in August '13, EG and GK will be almost even in their abilities to run this offense. And Gunner has the size which EG will never possess. While size is less important in the spread, it is still important.

I think GK physical attributes will give him an advantage if their footballs abilities are comparable. I can't point to any empirical data, it's just my impression about the development path of the number 1 QB recruit. I know stars don't always matter, but sometimes they do.

 

[BGIF]

Though I think Golson really helps our offense with his running, he is still underthrowing wide open players which is limiting a big play passing game. Last night he had Riddick wide open in the middle of the field, but threw it at his knees forcing Riddick to go to the ground to catch the ball instead of catching the ball in stride and taking it downfield. Daniels had his man beat deep, but Golson was late with the ball, which made it a jump ball.

It is going to be interesting: If Golson develops his passing, he's going to be hard to unseat. if not, and Kiel is the real deal with reads and accuracy, it will be a QB battle. It's a good problem to have.

Not to the koolaid crowd. They're fixated on the unbeatable, 4 year starter. Who cares if he struggles with coverages and progressions ... "he can run the ball". I look forward to the battle, it only makes ND stronger.

 

[irishff1014]

Not to the koolaid crowd. There fixated on the unbeatable, 4 year starter. Who cares if he struggles with coverages and progressions ... "he can run the ball". I look forward to the battle, it only makes ND stronger.

This i agree with. Each year is a new year and I can Bet Kiel is working his A$$ of to be the starter next year. Not that he doesn't like Golson its human nature to be the "Man".

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Koolaid is being passed around.

Some assume Golson will continue to grow, others assume a RS freshman will be able to adjust to the speed of the game and pick up reads and progressions without ever playing college ball....

 

[BeatSC]

Golson holds the ball too long and misses many an open WR. H has a nice arm and pretty good accuracy but I think Kiel's size and bulldozer strength may get him in the mix a lot more next year. Tommy will be wearing a red cap and preparing for his career as a graduate assistant. Kiel runs hard but will also stand taller and longer than EG will with his happy feet. The next 3 games will go a long way in detrmining EG's position going into next season. If he looks good in all of the games win or lose he will easily start the season number one. I think our QBs should be stellar with the wePons a,t their disposal. Golson showed what he could do in the fourth quarter and OT of the Pitt game and the last couple of drives of the OK game. Kelly has been holding him back so we don't know everything we need to know yet. Would like to see ND start running the uptempo offense and see what these guys can do.