ND & Michigan done after 2014

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Wow, ignore the internet for a while and you miss a lot, I guess. I'm perfectly fine with dropping the skunkbears from the schedule. Hope we never add them back on. I'd like to see some kind of rotation with Purdue and Michigan State to keep them on. Then maybe make Texas or Oklahoma a little more regular opponent.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

And another thing, dadgum it...

I don't care what history books or results say, ND was national champ in '93.

Agreed. I still claim the 93 MNC for ND.

 

[PLACforever]

I can't believe this was written by a "professional"

I can't believe this was written by a "professional"

Disappearance of Notre Dame Fighting Irish-Michigan Wolverines rivalry doesn't make college football better - ESPN

Maisel, you aren't writing for your high school newspaper anymore. I can't tell if most of this is supposed to be hyperbole or not.
"Manna from Heaven", "a sack of magic ACC beans"? Seriously?

I'll give him credit for knowing why ND plays Navy, but beyond that......

 

[Irish#1]

No it is a historically true statement about his hatred of Jews and Catholics. This is world is better without racists and bigots.

I'll see if I can find the article, but it was published that Yost's family going back to the Civil War was racist and it carried forward thru the years. I believe it also mentioned connections to a famous racial group that liked to hide behind white sheets.

 

[Irish#1]

I think Swarbrick doesn't do this unless there is something else in the works.

From what I heard, the contract automatically extended a year everytime they played. A three game notice had to be served by either school to void it. Swarbrick delievered the notice before the game. Otherwise it would would have added another year if he had delivered it after the game.

He did this to get started on the scheduling with the ACC. It looks like MSU and Purdue will probably stay on the schedule, but may not be on the schedule every year. Michigan may also be a part of this rotation. So one year we'll play Purdue, they next year Purdue is off the schedule and MSU is on and so forth.This isn't written in stone yet, so things can change.

 

[stlnd01]

Disappearance of Notre Dame Fighting Irish-Michigan Wolverines rivalry doesn't make college football better - ESPN

Maisel, you aren't writing for your high school newspaper anymore. I can't tell if most of this is supposed to be hyperbole or not.
"Manna from Heaven", "a sack of magic ACC beans"? Seriously?

I'll give him credit for knowing why ND plays Navy, but beyond that......

I don't know. The last line was needlessly harsh - because the ACC deal is more strategic necessity than fairy-tale-style hubris - but I think all he was trying to say is this is a sad thing for those who love the game, which it is.

College football is greater when the giants play one another. There's no one more giant than Notre Dame and Michigan. And while the occasional game with Clemson or FSU will be exciting, it's different than playing a giant in the next state over, pretty much every September. No one's going to keep a "Va. Tech Sucks" t-shirt in their drawer for 15 years, but I still break out my Michigan version for special occasions.
I get why we did this, and I'm fine with it. But hate them or not, we'll miss Michigan.

 

[irishfanjho15]

I don't know. The last line was needlessly harsh - because the ACC deal is more strategic necessity than fairy-tale-style hubris - but I think all he was trying to say is this is a sad thing for those who love the game, which it is.

College football is greater when the giants play one another. There's no one more giant than Notre Dame and Michigan. And while the occasional game with Clemson or FSU will be exciting, it's different than playing a giant in the next state over, pretty much every September. No one's going to keep a "Va. Tech Sucks" t-shirt in their drawer for 15 years, but I still break out my Michigan version for special occasions.
I get why we did this, and I'm fine with it. But hate them or not, we'll miss Michigan.

I know I absolutely will not.

 

[Emcee77]

I get why we did this, and I'm fine with it. But hate them or not, we'll miss Michigan.

Man, this sums it up for me. Well put.

 

[TDHeysus]

...Ironically, we created ND's program so as much as it's thought of that Michigan has done harm to it, we started it. ....

So what if Michigan started, or helped started I know I'm late to this party, but this train of thought must be similar to what the British were thinking right around the time of the Revolutionary War.

 

[irishfanjho15]

So what if Michigan started, or helped started I know I'm late to this party, but this train of thought must be similar to what the British were thinking right around the time of the Revolutionary War.

Yep.

The British must have thought, if we go over there and fight them and we happen to lose we can always claim we started the free world.

 

[strongj23]

If I remember correctly that would be the end of the series unless they signed a new contract to resume the series.

I would think this is a direct result of the move to the ACC. They most likely need to free up some room for the 5 games they have to play against ACC teams.

Interestingly enough some of the ND blogs have Google+ session with Swarbrick this week. Hopefully that will shed some light on this.

As a die hard Irish fan from Ohio, I'm saddened by the UM games being discontinued. If you think it through, we committed to keeping 3 games... Navy, USC, and Stanford. With the 5 ACC commitments, that leaves 4 games still to play with. I was hoping UM would be one of them. For the ND fans here in the buckeye state, the UM rivalry is far bigger than USC. Wished we could've kept them on....

 

[Al H.]

Maybe true, but if so he seems at least annoyed that we broke up with him first. Or maybe he just doesn't want to be perceived as the one who broke the series:



I certainly hope there's not a long break and that the series resumes in 2019. It's the game I most look forward to every year.

I appreciate your position and point of view. I'm a Notre Dame fan. I look forward to each and every one of their football games every year. Never because of who they are playing. Because of them. Notre Dame!

 

[Al H.]

And another thing, dadgum it...

I don't care what history books or results say, ND was national champ in '93.

AMEN!!!!
That was bias from the AP writers.

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

I am sure that I will hack some people off. But c'mon. True, Michigan has been off for a few years. But the reason you hate them is directly related to them beating us from time to time. We are 16-23-1 against Michigan
The pompous attitude as if we have been undefeated for the last 10 years in the regular season and BCS games is rather disappointing. Playing down to their level indeed. I have been a Irish fan longer than most people in the network. Even before ND lost so terribly to Nebraska 40-6 in the 1973 Orange Bowl. Before the 55-24 debacle to USC after leading by 24 only to give up 55 unanswered points. I cheered the NC teams against Alabama, Texas, & West Virginia. I have seen the promised land and I have felt the sting and embarrassment of terrible losses and seasons. Some of you may not even be aware of this history. My point is directly aimed at those that believe that Michigan is not worthy enough to play against us. Two of the oldest and two of the winning programs are worthy to play each other. I realize that the move is to schedule enough ACC teams, however this is the end to an historic football rivalry that started 125 years ago in 1887.

The following contributed from wikipedia:
Notre Dame had no football team until 1887, when players came from the University of Michigan to teach them the game of football.[3] Notre Dame and Michigan were actually friendly, not rivals, at the time, so Notre Dame began its football program under the guidance of the University of Michigan.[3] The first unofficial demonstration of American football at the university was coordinated by the University of Michigan and two former Notre Dame students.

The rivalry also is believed to have contributed to our nickname.
also contributed by wikipedia

n 1909, Notre Dame beat Michigan for the first time after losing every game against them since the first contest in 1888. The game took place on the University of Michigan campus, and was won by Notre Dame.[3] It is believed that the term "Fighting Irish" originated after this game, when a reporter from the Detroit Free Press commented on the game in the next day's newspaper issue:
"Eleven Fighting Irishman wrecked the Yost machine this afternoon. Three sons of Erin, individually and collectively representing the University of Notre Dame, not only beat the Michigan team, but dashed some of Michigan's greatest hopes and shattered Michigan's fairest dreams."[6]
Detroit Free Press report, November 7, 1909

Also, if I remember correctly I seem to recall a halftime piece on the fight song of Michigan contributing to the creation of our fight song.

I personally believe that it is a sad day for college football that these two teams will not meet each other every year.

 

[irishfanjho15]

I am sure that I will hack some people off. But c'mon. True, Michigan has been off for a few years. But the reason you hate them is directly related to them beating us from time to time. We are 16-23-1 against Michigan
The pompous attitude as if we have been undefeated for the last 10 years in the regular season and BCS games is rather disappointing. Playing down to their level indeed. I have been a Irish fan longer than most people in the network. Even before ND lost so terribly to Nebraska 40-6 in the 1973 Orange Bowl. Before the 55-24 debacle to USC after leading by 24 only to give up 55 unanswered points. I cheered the NC teams against Alabama, Texas, & West Virginia. I have seen the promised land and I have felt the sting and embarrassment of terrible losses and seasons. Some of you may not even be aware of this history. My point is directly aimed at those that believe that Michigan is not worthy enough to play against us. Two of the oldest and two of the winning programs are worthy to play each other. I realize that the move is to schedule enough ACC teams, however this is the end to an historic football rivalry that started 125 years ago in 1887.

The following contributed from wikipedia:
Notre Dame had no football team until 1887, when players came from the University of Michigan to teach them the game of football.[3] Notre Dame and Michigan were actually friendly, not rivals, at the time, so Notre Dame began its football program under the guidance of the University of Michigan.[3] The first unofficial demonstration of American football at the university was coordinated by the University of Michigan and two former Notre Dame students.

The rivalry also is believed to have contributed to our nickname.
also contributed by wikipedia

n 1909, Notre Dame beat Michigan for the first time after losing every game against them since the first contest in 1888. The game took place on the University of Michigan campus, and was won by Notre Dame.[3] It is believed that the term "Fighting Irish" originated after this game, when a reporter from the Detroit Free Press commented on the game in the next day's newspaper issue:
"Eleven Fighting Irishman wrecked the Yost machine this afternoon. Three sons of Erin, individually and collectively representing the University of Notre Dame, not only beat the Michigan team, but dashed some of Michigan's greatest hopes and shattered Michigan's fairest dreams."[6]
Detroit Free Press report, November 7, 1909

Also, if I remember correctly I seem to recall a halftime piece on the fight song of Michigan contributing to the creation of our fight song.

I personally believe that it is a sad day for college football that these two teams will not meet each other every year.

Well I think you are making a lot of generalizations and attributing them to others unfairly. I have no problem ending the UM/ND rivalry because UM had no problem, historically, taking their ball and going home when the scales tipped in ND's favor.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

It doesn't make sense to put nostalgia over a cohesive and strategic schedule that can create a national champion.

Thanks for the fight song -- have a nice life.

 

[ACamp1900]

It doesn't make sense to put nostalgia over a cohesive and strategic schedule that can create a national champion.

agreed x 2

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

Well I think you are making a lot of generalizations and attributing them to others unfairly. I have no problem ending the UM/ND rivalry because UM had no problem, historically, taking their ball and going home when the scales tipped in ND's favor.

I truly don't think so as I believe I wrote out an exact quote and just did not attribute it to anyone. I can't argue that what you claim didn't happen because it did. What I am saying is that the rivalry has helped to contribute to the identity of the Irish. I personally would like to beat them 9 straight times and retire the series @24-23-1. But it is still a sad day for college football.
Also my point is I have listened to asinine remarks by sports reporters; that ND is irrelevant for several years. I think that is BS. One of the reasons I love ND so much is, whether we win or lose we have class. From our coaches, athletes, and fans. I like to think we are a cut above the rest as far as class.

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

It doesn't make sense to put nostalgia over a cohesive and strategic schedule that can create a national champion.

Thanks for the fight song -- have a nice life.

Also, I might add, If we had gone undefeated in any of the last 3 years we would have played for the National Championship. Michigan was on that schedule, we did not beat them. So I fail to see how having Michigan on the schedule either helped or hindered our NC hopes.

 

[phork]

It doesn't make sense to put nostalgia over a cohesive and strategic schedule that can create a national champion.

Thanks for the fight song -- have a nice life.

The problem with your idea here is that UM is a good game against a top tier program. Regardless of how bad they are, when you hear Michigan, much like Notre Dame, you know its a solid program.

Filling that void with "cream puffs" is going to hurt the SOS that is going to be a component of the playoff. Its a winnable game against a name. Contrast that with filling it with Bama, and you have an automatic loss, or fill it up with CreamPuff U and the haters are going to hate..

 

[ACamp1900]

Win games and it won't matter, either way... but,... if you have the 30th ranked SOS and go unbeaten i seriously doubt the team with the 5th SOS and a loss or two will get in over the 30... I seriously do...

I feel that expecting to take on 'name' teams week, after week, after week, and go unbeaten is pretty unreasonable for just about any team in the country... that's my thoughts on it... play a schedule like Notre Dame's this season year after year (no other team in the country does mind you) and the prospect of playing for national titles year after year isn't something to be concerned with anyway.

five ACC teams
USC
Standford
Navy
one other 'name'
few gimme games...

that's no different than what anyone else will play and it's much more reasonable.

just my two cents.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Win games and it won't matter, either way... but,... if you have the 30th ranked SOS and go unbeaten i seriously doubt the team with the 5th SOS and a loss or two will get in over the 30... I seriously do...

I feel that expecting to take on 'name' teams week, after week, after week, and go unbeaten is pretty unreasonable for just about any team in the country... that's my thoughts on it... play a schedule like Notre Dame's this season year after year (no other team in the country does mind you) and the prospect of playing for national titles year after year isn't something to be concerned with anyway.

five ACC teams
USC
Standford
Navy
one other 'name'
few gimme games...

that's no different than what anyone else will play and it's much more reasonable.

just my two cents.

With that type of schedule, being ND, and going undefeated = playoff berth all day every day

 

[ND NYC]

heard on radio that the acc (and nd) are looking to put the "acc football heavies" (ie FSU, VT, Clemson) in the first year of NDs ACC mandatory schedule rotation.
said wanted "to have big national games to kickstart all the big rivalries with the upper echelon acc teams"
i think it was a guest on with childers. i wonder what first yr acc schedule will look like when the dust settles.

 

[ACamp1900]

heard on radio that the acc (and nd) are looking to put the "acc football heavies" (ie FSU, VT, Clemson) in the first year of NDs ACC mandatory schedule rotation.
said wanted "to have big national games to kickstart all the big rivalries with the upper echelon acc teams"
i think it was a guest on with childers. i wonder what first yr acc schedule will look like when the dust settles.

interesting, does that then mean two out of every three years the schedule lightens significantly...??

I would be all for that honestly.

 

[irishfanjho15]

interesting, does that then mean two out of every three years the schedule lightens significantly...??

I would be all for that honestly.

Now we're cooking.

 

[ND NYC]

interesting, does that then mean two out of every three years the schedule lightens significantly...??

I would be all for that honestly.

well we all know jack is acutely aware of the SOS component and its impact for everyone (especially us being an indy) in the new NC "Final Four".

my guess is he wants a very, very good SOS (read: tough games) but my guess is he can and will fill in the non-acc, non-navy, non-usc games depending on how "heavy" that future acc load looks.
the heavier the acc load is the lighter the other games will be.
problem there is, you really cant predict with any degree of certainty how good a team can/will be yrs ahead of time when your making the schedule anyway.

 

[tadman95]

I'll miss the game because I think it is one of the premier rivalries in college football, even when the teams are in down cycles.

That said, whatever is best for Notre Dame.

 

[irishff1014]

heard on radio that the acc (and nd) are looking to put the "acc football heavies" (ie FSU, VT, Clemson) in the first year of NDs ACC mandatory schedule rotation.
said wanted "to have big national games to kickstart all the big rivalries with the upper echelon acc teams"
i think it was a guest on with childers. i wonder what first yr acc schedule will look like when the dust settles.

This would mean that the second year Nd could play all the weak guy or 1 strong team and then weak teams. If i was Jack i wouldn't agree to this. Maybe do VT and FSU the first yrea with Ptt,BC,& VA.

 

[irishtrain]

I wont miss this game at all. Too many screw jobs and big ten bias. It would be awesome to win the next 2 games then tell them to go pound salt. Dont need'em. I bet they match up in a bowl game.

 

[phork]

Win games and it won't matter, either way... but,... if you have the 30th ranked SOS and go unbeaten i seriously doubt the team with the 5th SOS and a loss or two will get in over the 30... I seriously do...

So you don't think an undefeated BoiseSt with 30SOS gets booted for an 11-1 ND, Bama, USC team? The criteria are out there and they have said as much in regard to SOS.