What's Next for Dayne Crist?

[ThePiombino]

If he's not a part of the future of this team, he should get no snaps, except for maybe mop up on Senior Day (if we ever have one that we win again).

Elevate Hendrix to number 2 and move on. Its terribly sad for Dayne, and I think we all feel for him.

Now, in reality, I'm guessing Kelly has him number 2. Seems counter productive to me, but whatever...

I hear what you're saying and if this was a rebuilding year (DID I JUST SAY THE "R" WORD?!!?), then I would agree- build for the future. But at ND the future is now and RIGHT NOW Dayne is more prepared to help the team win than Hendrix. Don't get me wrong- I would LOVE to see what Hendrix can do on the field as I was definitely impressed with what he did in the B/G game. However, if winning (and more importantly-winning NOW) is what matters most then Dayne is more prepared to do that for ND than Hendrix is AT THIS TIME. This is not to say that this can't change come mid- or late-season.

Kelly has a history of alternating between qbs and I would not expect this to be much different. Crist and Rees will both play throughout the season I would imagine. Time will tell.

^This

If you have two quarterbacks, you don't have a quarterback.

Cliche. UF won a NC with 2 QBs, so I would say that doesn't apply to college at all.

 

[ErieIrish13]

You guys are forgetting that this is ND we're talking about. As optimistic as I am, nothing ever goes according to plan. I really wish Tommy helps this team win 10 games and takes them to a BCS, but let's face it. Something will happen, and it will result in Dayne playing again, and possibly starting again.

 

[GoldenDomer2357]

I like Crist. Don't get me wrong. But like BK said in the conference, football is not a game where a QB should be switched out every week. A well-defined and efficient offense is one in which there is consistency and fluidity.This starts with the QB. Rees is going to be the QB as long as he does moderately well because BK wants to start building a consistent offense.

 

[irish4ever]

I know there's been a thousand new threads made, but I was hoping to discuss this matter concisely.

With Tommy being the newly announced starter (for the foreseeable future), What does this mean for Dayne Crist?

Is Dayne now the number 2, in case of injury to Rees?
Will he still get some snaps periodically throughout the year?

Or Has Kelly decided Dayne's days are numbered and that the young guns are the future?


Personally,
I beleive that Dayne should get the oppurtunity to play a meaningful amount of time again, perhaps an entire half of a manageable game. (ala Purdue week).

What's your thoughts?

If Crist and Rees was a "toss up" on who was going to start against USF, why would you think that Crist is anything but #2 QB at this juncture. Hey, it was a bad start of season play for him. It was game one. He's a big boy and he'll get over it and he'll deal with it.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If Crist and Rees was a "toss up" on who was going to start against USF, why would you think that Crist is anything but #2 QB at this juncture. Hey, it was a bad start of season play for him. It was game one. He's a big boy and he'll get over it and he'll deal with it.

Because during the USF game, Tommy went down on one play. Everett was the QB that was getting ready to step in, not Dayne.

So, Everett might have just been the #2 for USF.

Or, Everett is #2 in general.

 

[NDMontana]

Q.E.D.

Fail. Nothing has been proven or disproven...you just think your cheerleader-esque viewpoint is infallible.

 

[NDMontana]

I hear what you're saying and if this was a rebuilding year (DID I JUST SAY THE "R" WORD?!!?), then I would agree- build for the future. But at ND the future is now and RIGHT NOW Dayne is more prepared to help the team win than Hendrix. Don't get me wrong- I would LOVE to see what Hendrix can do on the field as I was definitely impressed with what he did in the B/G game. However, if winning (and more importantly-winning NOW) is what matters most then Dayne is more prepared to do that for ND than Hendrix is AT THIS TIME. This is not to say that this can't change come mid- or late-season.



^This



Cliche. UF won a NC with 2 QBs, so I would say that doesn't apply to college at all.

Tebow threw 30 passes that year, he was in games to run and get experience. He was a package QB who brought skills that Leak did not possess. Crist and Rees don't have unique skill sets that would lead to specially designed packages for either of them.
You trotted out one example and it was an entirely different situation.

 

[IrishMoore1]

If Crist and Rees was a "toss up" on who was going to start against USF, why would you think that Crist is anything but #2 QB at this juncture. Hey, it was a bad start of season play for him. It was game one. He's a big boy and he'll get over it and he'll deal with it.

Yeah it was a bad game for Crist, but he was still making the same mistakes and poor performance from 2 years ago! He still has bad accuracy, has no touch, and loses his composure when he makes mistakes. He's a friggin senior now. There's no excuse.

 

[irish4ever]

Because during the USF game, Tommy went down on one play. Everett was the QB that was getting ready to step in, not Dayne.

So, Everett might have just been the #2 for USF.

Or, Everett is #2 in general.

And you'll have the same result as when Rees got thrown in fire during the scUM game last year. Everett doesn't have enough experience and knowledge of the total offense at this point of the season against teams the Irish will face over the next few weeks ... @ scUM, MSU, @ Pitt! Plain and simple!

 

[tankjeep]

Yeah it was a bad game for Crist, but he was still making the same mistakes and poor performance from 2 years ago! He still has bad accuracy, has no touch, and loses his composure when he makes mistakes. He's a friggin senior now. There's no excuse.

yes, there is. he's been injured the last two years. while all other college qb's are working on their technique, timing and knowledge of the system....dayne was working his way back to getting healthy. now he may have been working on knowledge of the system, but there's no way he had the same amount of time to develop his technique and timing.

i truly believe that this has had a huge impact on his confidence. he may have performed well enough in practice, but once the pressure hit him during the game....he started screwing up. if he goes the last two seasons without having to recover from injury....dayne would be the qb we all expected him to be.

 

[jmurphy75]

There were others that "had a bad game" against USF Dayne wasn't the only one. That being said a QB is subject to different standards than the rest of the team, they are the leader and are supposed to be the calming force that brings everyone together to make a clutch play. I'm a huge Dayne fan but Tommy seemed to fit the QB description better against USF. All of the arm strength and ability to scramble go right out the window if a QB doesn't have poise or timing. I hope it was just a bad game and he gets things together.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Christ is a good qb but with the shape his knees are in his best bet would be to just sit back and be a reserve and be happy with the great scholarship that few people can afford. Christ has a way better arm and much better talent but Reese is durable the way the mighty Quinn was.

I wish Jesus was our QB. And this Reese fellow sounds like a baller; we could really use a guy like that on our roster, too.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I wish Jesus was our QB. And this Reese fellow sounds like a baller; we could really use a guy like that on our roster, too.

...And he's got a candy named after him as well. How freaking cool is that?????

 

[tko]

what's next for dayne crist? adjustable red adidas cap.

 

[IrishBoy]

There were others that "had a bad game" against USF Dayne wasn't the only one. That being said a QB is subject to different standards than the rest of the team, they are the leader and are supposed to be the calming force that brings everyone together to make a clutch play. I'm a huge Dayne fan but Tommy seemed to fit the QB description better against USF. All of the arm strength and ability to scramble go right out the window if a QB doesn't have poise or timing. I hope it was just a bad game and he gets things together.

I agree. I think he's basically done for the year. He won't come back next year. I think Kelly does not like Crist at all. Last year when Crist played several games, Kelly was angry with him for poor decisions and bad picks then Rees came in, Kelly became calm with him. I think Kelly likes Rees better than Crist so I hope Crist realizes that Kelly does not want him anymore. Crist should have transferred to another school immediately after he injured his knee last year. That's my opinion.

 

[pkt77242]

I agree. I think he's basically done for the year. He won't come back next year. I think Kelly does not like Crist at all. Last year when Crist played several games, Kelly was angry with him for poor decisions and bad picks then Rees came in, Kelly became calm with him. I think Kelly likes Rees better than Crist so I hope Crist realizes that Kelly does not want him anymore. Crist should have transferred to another school immediately after he injured his knee last year. That's my opinion.

Well the obvious point is that Kelly was easier on Rees last year because he was a true freshmen and he couldn't afford to "break" him last year. He had no point but to be patient with him as there was no where else to turn and Rees head was already spinning anyways.

Also I don't think Kelly likes Rees anymore than Crist otherwise he probably wouldn't have name Crist the starter before the season.

 

[ErieIrish13]

I agree. I think he's basically done for the year. He won't come back next year. I think Kelly does not like Crist at all. Last year when Crist played several games, Kelly was angry with him for poor decisions and bad picks then Rees came in, Kelly became calm with him. I think Kelly likes Rees better than Crist so I hope Crist realizes that Kelly does not want him anymore. Crist should have transferred to another school immediately after he injured his knee last year. That's my opinion.

An ND degree is more valuable than a starting job in the NCAA, and I think he knows that. Otherwise he would have transfered.

 

[Rhode Irish]

An ND degree is more valuable than a starting job in the NCAA, and I think he knows that. Otherwise he would have transfered.

What? When was he going to transfer? Today? That isn't how that works. If he did decide he wanted to play somewhere else next year he would bring his ND degree with him to wherever that is, since he is a senior and will presumably graduate in May.

 

[NDPhilly]

I think it's in his best interest to transfer and if I was him would choose Stanford who runs a prostyle offense, will need a replacement for Luck, and is in Cali

 

[GoldenDomer2357]

I remember certain pundits saying that BK was in a better position than most head coaches because he had two "great" QBs if he gets in a pinch. Leave it to a typical early September ND loss to send that idea spiraling quickly downward and to create more of a QB question mark above anything else.

 

[jonesman]

Guys,
Let's not all go throwing Crist totally under the bus. The guy has not done one thing to warrant him being treated like some bad apple or a player we don't want. I was very disspointed in his accuracy and decisions on Saturday, but let's give the guy a chance to play out the season.

Who knows, in a couple weeks Rees could get hurt and we need Dayne to step in. I think Dayne is a high character guy. Let's support all our players.

keep your chin up, Dayne!!

 

[nd1989]

Brian Kelly has given overt indications about Dayne. He stated Dayne is the backup. He stated many people lost the game, not just Dayne. He stated one changed play in many different instances could have one the game, and we might be talking about no change in the starting QB. He also stated Dayne wasn't decisive enough - "It's what separates good from great QBs". Expect Dayne to learn from this. Expect him to work hard in practice. He will be ready. Tommy will start, but in this offense, the backup needs to be capable and ready. The backup will play at some point.

 

[dre1919]

What's next for Dayne Crist? Holding a clipboard. It's unfortunate, but in reality, he's just not quite accurate enough to remain a starting QB on a terribly scrutinized national program. I'm not saying Rees is immensely better than Crist...in fact I think our whole QB situation is pretty average at best, but Rees seems to have a better feel for the game and just keeps the chains moving. He may not win the game for you, but he does a pretty good job of not losing it for you either. Crist's problems really began with his knee injuries because he had more physical tools at his disposal before his body gave out. I'm not sure how much running by the QB is emphasized in Kelly's version of the spread, but in most versions of it the QB needs to be pretty mobile. While I think Crist has pretty decent mobility for a guy with two major knee surgeries, it can't make anyone comfortable to see him roll out and scramble down field.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I wasn't very keen on Rees last year and thought that our team won despite him, not because of him. I thought he looked like a kid out there among (much bigger) men.

But I think he has improved and matured a lot over the offseason and it's now evident to me:

- He is an accurate passer, much more so than Crist.
- He deals with pressure in a much better way than Crist, who folds under duress.
- He is a motivating presence to other players on the field, whereas Crist seems to be more of a neutral presence (or that he is playing among his teammates and not with them).
- His passes are much more catchable--even when he's threading the needle they don't seem to land with a thud in receivers' hands.
- His passes have much more oomph to them than they did last year. He actually seems to have a strong arm.
- He displays touch on the deep pass.
- He generally makes good decisions except for the occasional young mistake.
- He appears much stronger and less skinny. Looks more like a football player.
- He is smart on and off the field.
- He is more elusive than he gets credit for. Probably not the best choice to run a true run spread but he does not take many sacks.
- Has very good pocket presence for his experience and is another reason for not taking many sacks.
- He wants to be a leader. I liked seeing him slap shoulderpads and push other players around on the sideline before the start of the second half.
- He makes noticeable improvements each time he plays. He learns.

I think based on these observations that he has a higher ceiling than I thought he did last year. And more than anything I do think he gives us the best chance to win.

Could not agree more with this ^^

 

[rikkitikki08]

I think it's in his best interest to transfer and if I was him would choose Stanford who runs a prostyle offense, will need a replacement for Luck, and is in Cali

He isnt transfering, not a chance.....he will finish his studies and move on. He is about to gain a degree from the university of notre dame buddy

 

[mick2]

He isnt transfering, not a chance.....he will finish his studies and move on. He is about to gain a degree from the university of notre dame buddy

he can still get his degree and transfer. hes got a year of eligibility left. im sure hes not content sitting the bench and calling it a career. he wants to play

 

[Irishman77]

Dayne is extremely timid unless there is pressure then he is scared. Not a BCS QB to say the least. I really hope he does well in life and realizes a 5th year doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[crzychris]

he can still get his degree and transfer. hes got a year of eligibility left. im sure hes not content sitting the bench and calling it a career. he wants to play

I'm sure he could fill that drive in coaching. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back next year as a GA and begins working his way up. Dayne is a smart guy.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Looking back at it, he only played one half.

I hope he gets another crack at it sometime.

 

[jason_h537]

Whats next for Dayne is that he earns a degree from Notre Dame and does better in life than most of us here will.

Things happen and Crist can find himself starting again. He is at least the back-up until Kelly feels more comfortable with Golson or Hendrix. If he does decide he wants to play next year, UCLA would wet themselves over him. Crist will be alright.