Paterno Statue Down/PSU Penalties?

[ChiRish]

Guys i dont think we fully realize how incredible this news is. We will look back on a see this was the day penn state died as a program and possibly as a university. With that being said i would be shocked if we didnt pull any players away from their current batch of players and also some of their recruits.


To be honest this is a really sad day for not only penn state but every university in america. We just have to remember that in all reality Penn State isnt the victim in this situation its the children that sack of **** sandusky took advantage of

How is this a sad day for Penn State? They're being held accountable for their actions. They let one man, their football coach, dominate the entire university. This man led a coverup of heinous sex abuse of children, and led to further sex abuse of children ON THEIR CAMPUS!

If anything, this sends a message that lack of control of this magnitude will not be tolerated. If anything, I think that's a good thing for universities across the country.

 

[Ironman8]

That 60 million just turned into a whole lot more

Says nothing about the TV revenue though.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

‏@BFeldmanCBS
Hits keep coming: Big Ten says Penn State won't be eligible to receive its share of BigTen bowl revenues over 4-yr bowl ban.

Any other Big 10 penalties?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

How is this a sad day for Penn State? They're being held accountable for their actions. They let one man, their football coach, dominate the entire university. This man led a coverup of heinous sex abuse of children, and led to further sex abuse of children ON THEIR CAMPUS!

If anything, this sends a message that lack of control of this magnitude will not be tolerated. If anything, I think that's a good thing for universities across the country.

You hit the nail right on the head.

 

[FLDomer]

Agree that it is sad that it has come to this; but this day was sealed by the PSU administration and head football coach. I had previously respected PSU as a football program.

Here was Dave Joyner's (new AD) press release about the sanctions. I must say that I am encouraged by the fact that he led with contrition and respect to the REAL victims (who aren't the current football team):

Agreed again and I apologize for not stating them. This whole thing is bigger than tryen to swoop in and tryen to pick the bones of talents, was my entire point. We need to show respect for the Victims 1st, the players, coaches, and alum who we unaware of the wool that was being pulled over the eyes but once again mostly for the Victims who will bare these scars for the rest of their lives.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

That 60 million just turned into a whole lot more

$13 mill over next 4 years.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Any other Big 10 penalties?

1)Censure: Kind of goes without saying; not sure why they count this as a 'punishment'
2)Probation: for 5 years
3)post-season/bowl bans: for same period covered by NCAA (ummm, what's the point)

 

[Kingbish01]

The Big Ten conference added its own sanctions against member Penn State after the NCAA announced its penalties on Monday.

Penn State will not be allowed to participate in the Big Ten conference title game for the same four years in which it is banned from post season bowl games by the NCAA. Penn State will also not be allowed to share in the conference's bowl revenues for those four years, about a $13 million hit, according to a Big Ten press release. That money will be donated to children's charities, the release said.

 

[arrowryan]

They deserve the death penalty

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Sapp and Wiltfong mentioned only Douglas and Will Fuller as potential targets for ND. Nebraska and Wisconsin are in the best position for Douglas but his family did tell Steve that they are interested in ND and coaches have been in contact the last couple weeks.

 

[Emcee77]

They deserve the death penalty

This might amount to the same thing, or worse, considering JoePa's wins are vacated.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

They deserve the death penalty

This is way worse.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

@marcmorehouse Censure is a big deal. PSU has no say in any conference policy

 

[Grahambo]

Who is this Will Fuller?

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Sports radio for me, just said with sanctions last winning qb for psu is Mike Mcreary

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[tussin]

We should try to snipe Eugene Lewis (WR recruit from last years class and my hometown).

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Who is this Will Fuller?

Low 3 athlete I think. Doesn't have many big time offers but is really fast. Ran a 4.4 40 at the PSU camp.

 

[nlroma1o]

This is way worse.

I am absolutely not trying to be a smart *** in any way. But how is this worse? Technically, they still can play football this year.

Is this worse because of the 4 years of scholarship penalties and bowl ban? Will that have a worse impact on the team than taking away a season? I have no idea....

Its almost a situation where if you are going to penalize them this much, whats the point of just not canceling their season?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

@TrinaOrlando
Players not commenting as they come out of team mtg at lash bldg. One belched loudly in response to reporter questions #PennState

@FakeSwarbrick
I'm glad the Big Ten didn't kick out Penn State. Independence is too good for them.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

The NCAA did the right thing here. Being a Pa native I am constantly surrounded by a ton of psu fans. It will take Penn state at least a generation to recover from this.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I am absolutely not trying to be a smart *** in any way. But how is this worse? Technically, they still can play football this year.

Is this worse because of the 4 years of scholarship penalties and bowl ban? Will that have a worse impact on the team than taking away a season? I have no idea....

Its almost a situation where if you are going to penalize them this much, whats the point of just not canceling their season?

I think those penalties are what make it worse than the death penalty. Not playing this year would be a one and done kind of penalty I think. Next year, they would be back up and running. The current penalties will hurt them for many years to come.

 

[RDU Irish]

If PSU transfers don't count toward the 85 limit, why not take any you can get?

 

[IrishLax]

To summarize, because this info is getting spread across lots of threads...

Look at Will Fuller (WR) and Ross Douglas (CB) to get increased interest. Neither is an elite prospect though. Both have tons of speed, and I think Ross Douglas... depending on how our staff feels about VHIII, Alexander, Moore, Willis, etc.... could get an offer. We've been in contact with him and his main knock is his height.

Sickels is a guy who was firm to PSU but it's hard to imagine us not getting into the mix. I'm guessing he will take OVs and start over his recruiting process.

Adam Brenneman I don't really expect us to push four because of the way the chips fell. Torn ACL + Heurman is a really great prospect and integral part of the class + Troy Niklas not done with football + only 5-6 open spots => not highly likely that we push.

Players on their roster? Too soon to tell. First and foremost I'm interested to see if the NCAA does the right thing and doesn't let schools currently under scholarship sanctions cheat their way around intended punishments.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

So what's the Vegas line on Ohio University-Penn State week 1?

 

[Grimm]

Seems worse than the death penalty to me as well. Loss of scholarships, no bowl games for 4 years, allowing everybody to leave, etc, I'm not sure how they put together a competitive teams for several years. A year off of football and they could have kept a nucleus of a team and been right back. I'm just happy about the outcome as it exceeded anything I ever imagined the NCAA would do.

Whatever the fate of the program, this has gone from an interesting recruiting period for ND to ridiculously interesting.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

‏@BFeldmanCBS
Kids who in the 4th grade right now would be part of next class when Penn State football is back at full 85 scholarships.

Not sure how this math works, it appears as thought the 65 player limit doesn't start until 2014 though.

 

[IrishLax]

BTW these sanctions are worse than the death penalty for the program; better than the death penalty for State College, PA. This team is about to have a mass exodus of frosh & soph classes..... and really substantial portions of both the junior and senior classes too. The remaining players are going to basically be low 3/2 players and walk-ons. FWIW, the talent at Penn State was already crap.

Then they're going to lose everyone of any value from this recruiting class. And next recruiting class will be abysmal as well. The scholarship reductions are almost meaningless... because they will flat out not be able to recruit. Pitt is going to get all the kids who want to stay in PA. Rutgers/Maryland are going to get a lot of the kids from eastern PA, NJ, and MD that Penn State usually grabs.

So the way this plays out is that Penn State will suck this year with probably ~35-45 true recruited scholarship players... if even that many. In '13 they will suck even worse. In '14 they will suck horribly as well. The '15 recruiting class will be the first class where they will be able to convince legitimate mid-to-low 3 kids to come play at PSU for early PT.... and then by the time those kids are seniors ('18) they'll probably have about the talent level of Indiana on their roster.

So you're looking at a minimum of 6 years of complete irrelevancy. And that's the best case scenario. Like Sherm said earlier, PSU likely won't get out of this until at minimum ~10 years down the road. The first recruiting class that will have a chance at even mediocre, borderline top 25 talent will be the '18 class which will mean the program won't be seriously competitive for a Big Ten championship until 2021.

Death penalty an no other sanctions? You'd have started over with a pretty solid class of mid 3 players in '14 intrigued by oodles of immediate PT... maybe even a 4 or two.... and you could take a full 25 players. You could hypothetically get legitimate 4 players in '16... and have a very competitive team again by '17. So you're looking at it taking probably twice as long to fully recover from these sanctions vs. a straight 1 year death penalty. Although I do have my doubts Penn State will ever fully recover... there's a very fair chance Pitt, Rutgers, and Maryland become so strong over this period of 3+ years where PSU will flat out not be able to recruit that they may keep the momentum permanently.

 

[tussin]

BTW these sanctions are worse than the death penalty for the program; better than the death penalty for State College, PA. This team is about to have a mass exodus of frosh & soph classes..... and really substantial portions of both the junior and senior classes too. The remaining players are going to basically be low 3/2 players and walk-ons. FWIW, the talent at Penn State was already crap.

Then they're going to lose everyone of any value from this recruiting class. And next recruiting class will be abysmal as well. The scholarship reductions are almost meaningless... because they will flat out not be able to recruit. Pitt is going to get all the kids who want to stay in PA. Rutgers/Maryland are going to get a lot of the kids from eastern PA, NJ, and MD that Penn State usually grabs.

So the way this plays out is that Penn State will suck this year with probably ~35-45 true recruited scholarship players... if even that many. In '13 they will suck even worse. In '14 they will suck horribly as well. The '15 recruiting class will be the first class where they will be able to convince legitimate mid-to-low 3 kids to come play at PSU for early PT.... and then by the time those kids are seniors ('18) they'll probably have about the talent level of Indiana on their roster.

So you're looking at a minimum of 6 years of complete irrelevancy. And that's the best case scenario. Like Sherm said earlier, PSU likely won't get out of this until at minimum ~10 years down the road. The first recruiting class that will have a chance at even mediocre, borderline top 25 talent will be the '18 class which will mean the program won't be seriously competitive for a Big Ten championship until 2021.

Death penalty an no other sanctions? You'd have started over with a pretty solid class of mid 3 players in '14 intrigued by oodles of immediate PT... maybe even a 4 or two.... and you could take a full 25 players. You could hypothetically get legitimate 4 players in '16... and have a very competitive team again by '17. So you're looking at it taking probably twice as long to fully recover from these sanctions vs. a straight 1 year death penalty. Although I do have my doubts Penn State will ever fully recover... there's a very fair chance Pitt, Rutgers, and Maryland become so strong over this period of 3+ years where PSU will flat out not be able to recruit that they may keep the momentum permanently.

Agreed. My buddy from Pitt is pretty optimistic about their program following these sanctions.

 

[Kingbish01]

BTW these sanctions are worse than the death penalty for the program; better than the death penalty for State College, PA. This team is about to have a mass exodus of frosh & soph classes..... and really substantial portions of both the junior and senior classes too. The remaining players are going to basically be low 3/2 players and walk-ons. FWIW, the talent at Penn State was already crap.

Then they're going to lose everyone of any value from this recruiting class. And next recruiting class will be abysmal as well. The scholarship reductions are almost meaningless... because they will flat out not be able to recruit. Pitt is going to get all the kids who want to stay in PA. Rutgers/Maryland are going to get a lot of the kids from eastern PA, NJ, and MD that Penn State usually grabs.

So the way this plays out is that Penn State will suck this year with probably ~35-45 true recruited scholarship players... if even that many. In '13 they will suck even worse. In '14 they will suck horribly as well. The '15 recruiting class will be the first class where they will be able to convince legitimate mid-to-low 3 kids to come play at PSU for early PT.... and then by the time those kids are seniors ('18) they'll probably have about the talent level of Indiana on their roster.

So you're looking at a minimum of 6 years of complete irrelevancy. And that's the best case scenario. Like Sherm said earlier, PSU likely won't get out of this until at minimum ~10 years down the road. The first recruiting class that will have a chance at even mediocre, borderline top 25 talent will be the '18 class which will mean the program won't be seriously competitive for a Big Ten championship until 2021.

Death penalty an no other sanctions? You'd have started over with a pretty solid class of mid 3 players in '14 intrigued by oodles of immediate PT... maybe even a 4 or two.... and you could take a full 25 players. You could hypothetically get legitimate 4 players in '16... and have a very competitive team again by '17. So you're looking at it taking probably twice as long to fully recover from these sanctions vs. a straight 1 year death penalty. Although I do have my doubts Penn State will ever fully recover... there's a very fair chance Pitt, Rutgers, and Maryland become so strong over this period of 3+ years where PSU will flat out not be able to recruit that they may keep the momentum permanently.

I think you pretty much nailed it with this post.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

BTW these sanctions are worse than the death penalty for the program; better than the death penalty for State College, PA. This team is about to have a mass exodus of frosh & soph classes..... and really substantial portions of both the junior and senior classes too. The remaining players are going to basically be low 3/2 players and walk-ons. FWIW, the talent at Penn State was already crap.

Then they're going to lose everyone of any value from this recruiting class. And next recruiting class will be abysmal as well. The scholarship reductions are almost meaningless... because they will flat out not be able to recruit. Pitt is going to get all the kids who want to stay in PA. Rutgers/Maryland are going to get a lot of the kids from eastern PA, NJ, and MD that Penn State usually grabs.

So the way this plays out is that Penn State will suck this year with probably ~35-45 true recruited scholarship players... if even that many. In '13 they will suck even worse. In '14 they will suck horribly as well. The '15 recruiting class will be the first class where they will be able to convince legitimate mid-to-low 3 kids to come play at PSU for early PT.... and then by the time those kids are seniors ('18) they'll probably have about the talent level of Indiana on their roster.

So you're looking at a minimum of 6 years of complete irrelevancy. And that's the best case scenario. Like Sherm said earlier, PSU likely won't get out of this until at minimum ~10 years down the road. The first recruiting class that will have a chance at even mediocre, borderline top 25 talent will be the '18 class which will mean the program won't be seriously competitive for a Big Ten championship until 2021.

Death penalty an no other sanctions? You'd have started over with a pretty solid class of mid 3 players in '14 intrigued by oodles of immediate PT... maybe even a 4 or two.... and you could take a full 25 players. You could hypothetically get legitimate 4 players in '16... and have a very competitive team again by '17. So you're looking at it taking probably twice as long to fully recover from these sanctions vs. a straight 1 year death penalty. Although I do have my doubts Penn State will ever fully recover... there's a very fair chance Pitt, Rutgers, and Maryland become so strong over this period of 3+ years where PSU will flat out not be able to recruit that they may keep the momentum permanently.

Reps great job.

Although I do have my doubts about Rutgers gaining much since they are in the Big LEast, which has no playoff tie in.