Paterno Statue Down/PSU Penalties?

[STLDomer]

Idk if it's live or not but Luginbill is supposed to be on ESPN next

 

[irishfanjho15]

Idk if it's live or not but Luginbill is supposed to be on ESPN next

Yes he was live.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I hate Jay Bilas maybe more than any other sportscaster. Did anyone just listen to his BS on ESPN?

First and foremost, Jay Bilas legitimately thinks he is smarter than every other person in the room. The heir of superiority always annoys me.

Second, he contradicts himself maybe more than anyone else on TV when it comes to his narrative. On one hand, he hates the NCAA as an organization and roots for abolishment of amateur sports in the sense that college athletes should be compensated as if they were in a free market. When confronted with "they get a free education worth XYZ" he says that it doesn't matter because most kids have no interest in the education. As a central thesis, this is all fine. His idea that kids should be able to transfer wherever the hell they want and not sit out, that athletes should be allowed to get paid however much they want, and that education is not of value to these athletes are all consistent with each....

But then he gets on ESPN and takes his heir of superiority "as an attorney" saying he doesn't think it's fair to dock schools scholarships (period, under any circumstance) because it "takes away educational opportunities from X number of kids." It's one or the other, *******. Either educations have value or they don't. Either student athletes care about being students or they don't.

He also was factually inaccurate on a bunch of other things, but whatever. It's just so damn transparent that he is pissed that after 4 years at Duke he didn't have the talent to play in the NBA and never cashed in. He has a gigantic ****ing axe to grind that he never got paid and was a 5th round pick whose best accomplishment in the "big leagues" was playing in Italy/Spain for a few seasons.

He is so arrogant that he doesn't realize that he owes his entire livelihood - not to mention two degrees - to the fact that he played at Duke for four years and got a top notch education. He never would've gotten into Duke without NCAA basketball. He wouldn't have a career without covering NCAA basketball. Jay Bilas would be NOTHING without the NCAA. I really wonder how much he thinks he would've made in the 80s as a free-market college hoops player... he's either delusional with regards to how much he thinks he would have made, or he's delusional to how lucky he was to get a free education at Duke.

Either way, he's an idiot. /endrant

Damn Lax tell us how you really feel.

 

[irishfanjho15]

And in true Luginbill fashion, he repeated pretty much every thing everyone else has already said.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Damn Lax tell us how you really feel.

What bothers me most about it is Lax's lack of passion . . .

 

[yankeeND]

And in true Luginbill fashion, he repeated pretty much every thing everyone else has already said.

It figures, SpongeBoB should really be wearing a helmet

 

[NDhoosier]

I still wanted to hear the ruling on U$C and O$U sanctions and whether they can get away with some of this ****. This would be a perfect opportunity for both of those programs to bypass their sanctions. NCAA better keep their balls and say sanctioned teams do not get a pass on this.

 

[woolybug25]

I still wanted to hear the ruling on U$C and O$U sanctions and whether they can get away with some of this ****. This would be a perfect opportunity for both of those programs to bypass their sanctions. NCAA better keep their balls and say sanctioned teams do not get a pass on this.

Again, if the exception for the 85 limit is only good for the student's first year, then both schools would have to count them to their number after that. There really isn't anybody on PSU's roster that would be worth it for either of them to take because they would have to count their scholarship after the first year.

 

[DomeLover3]

More interested in poaching commits/targets than current players.

As Wooly pointed out doesnt seem worth it

 

[GoIrish41]

I may be in the minority, but I think vacating the wins is completely over the top. There was no competetive advantage gained for Penn State football that had anything to do with these horrific crimes or the subsequent cover up. Vacating wins, it seems to me, should apply when a football program is caught cheating to win. I'm sure there are thousands of examples of crimes or other reprehensible behaviors committed by coaching staffs over the years. Should wins be vacated in all those cases too. I'm no Penn State fan by any stretch, but I think this portion of the penalty against the school seems silly. None of the players who played in any games from 1998 to 2011 had anything to do with any of this. Why are they paying the price?

 

[woolybug25]

I may be in the minority, but I think vacating the wins is completely over the top. There was no competetive advantage gained for Penn State football that had anything to do with these horrific crimes or the subsequent cover up. Vacating wins, it seems to me, should apply when a football program is caught cheating to win. I'm sure there are thousands of examples of crimes or other reprehensible behaviors committed by coaching staffs over the years. Should wins be vacated in all those cases too. I'm no Penn State fan by any stretch, but I think this portion of the penalty against the school seems silly. None of the players who played in any games from 1998 to 2011 had anything to do with any of this. Why are they paying the price?

Because their coaching staff were hiding the child rape happening in their locker room. That's why.

 

[SBjandy7]

As a couple of sports writers have deemed it, this is "death by attrition". Yeah it's not the SMU-esque death penalty, but within 4 years, Penn State will be right where SMU was after their sanctions were imposed. I hope this is the NCAA putting on a much tougher stand against unethical actions. Whether through gaining an edge athletically or maliciously turning their heads and putting the well-being of innocent kids on the line.

 

[GoIrish41]

Because their coaching staff were hiding the child rape happening in their locker room. That's why.

Then they should prosecute the coaching staff.

 

[DomeLover3]

I just pray Notre Dame never does anything that could cause catastrophic sanctions to be imposed to themselves.

 

[NDPhilly]

Best Day Ever.

 

[NDBoiler]

I may be in the minority, but I think vacating the wins is completely over the top. There was no competetive advantage gained for Penn State football that had anything to do with these horrific crimes or the subsequent cover up. Vacating wins, it seems to me, should apply when a football program is caught cheating to win. I'm sure there are thousands of examples of crimes or other reprehensible behaviors committed by coaching staffs over the years. Should wins be vacated in all those cases too. I'm no Penn State fan by any stretch, but I think this portion of the penalty against the school seems silly. None of the players who played in any games from 1998 to 2011 had anything to do with any of this. Why are they paying the price?

There was indeed a compettive advantage gained. By the high quality coaching staff being able to remain in place as PSU, they were able to recruit talented players and therefore acheive a competitive advantage by fielding a talented team. If this staff was not in place, the quality of players would likely have been affected and that advantage lessened.

 

[NCND]

Best day ever. Really?

 

[irishpat183]

I did see a clip of Desmond Howard and his take on all of this and I agreed fully with him. He was pissed that people were still trying to stick up for Penn St. He said something along the lines of "These current players still have the choice to leave; those children didn't have a damn choice."

Exactly. You're really not punishing the new guys...because they're choosing to either still go to Penn State, or remain there when given an out.

You're punishing the program. And rightfully so. Top to bottom, this was disgraceful.

 

[IrishLax]

Then they should prosecute the coaching staff.

Right, but the point wooly is making is that the punishment is directed at Paterno. No players are measured by a win/loss record. None of their stats are vacated a la other players who have been ruled ineligible.

The vacating of wins is clearly punitive against Paterno. They don't want a criminal with the all-time wins record. I don't necessarily disagree with you that some of the sanctions might be overboard, but I think the vacation of wins is more of a direct shot at Paterno than anything else. At least that's how I interpret it.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

There was indeed a compettive advantage gained. By the high quality coaching staff being able to remain in place as PSU, they were able to recruit talented players and therefore acheive a competitive advantage by fielding a talented team. If this staff was not in place, the quality of players would likely have been affected and that advantage lessened.

Exactly. They were able to continue to sell their image and the "Joe Pa way" as if nothing had ever happened. And yes I agree with you Lax that is also serves as a punishment to Paterno for covering it up this whole time.

 

[woolybug25]

Then they should prosecute the coaching staff.

and the janitors, and the AD and the president, etc, etc???

Where does it end? When does the accountability fall on the university? Ever?


That's the thing, this was university wide, it was community wide. Acting like you can pull three or four individuals out and place the blame is ludicrous. People are acting like the university is separate from the people that make it up. THE PEOPLE ARE THE UNIVERSITY!

 

[irishpat183]

Then they should prosecute the coaching staff.

They are/did. Now the program has to pay the price.

 

[johnnykillz]

Best Day Ever.

Really?

Best day ever. Really?

Exactly.

I dislike what happened too.

This is an example of how others pay expense due to others actions by association,

It sucked when a entire town was burned, their women raped, and all able men not willing to bend a knee beheaded during the age of association in our worlds history.

But association does hinge on great leadership.

Or the lack thereof.

This is an example. Do be proactive and do bring justice to those in contempt children's well beings...

 

[johnnykillz]

This is a terrible day for all of college football...

A legend truly marred; nay, disgraced as a man in his own feces.

And his institution in ruins due to his actions.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

This argument is stupid because it lacks humanity. This is about protecting children. Maybe the only time I ever agreed with Desmond Howard was with his comments today.

I would much rather have the US Attorney prove conspiracy and use the RICO act to prosecute Civil Rights Violations and let the plaintif attorneys' pick the bones clean, but this is a better first step because it shows one really important thing. We the people, finally have put something ahead of football, our children. And that is what all of you are arguing about, especially you apologists.

 

[NDPhilly]

Your not around these people 247. Finally can get them to shut the hell up. So yes, for me, today is a great day.

 

[GoIrish41]

Right, but the point wooly is making is that the punishment is directed at Paterno. No players are measured by a win/loss record. None of their stats are vacated a la other players who have been ruled ineligible.

The vacating of wins is clearly punitive against Paterno. They don't want a criminal with the all-time wins record. I don't necessarily disagree with you that some of the sanctions might be overboard, but I think the vacation of wins is more of a direct shot at Paterno than anything else. At least that's how I interpret it.

agree that it is directed against Paterno. I just don't recall a vacation of wins ever being applied unless there was some sort of cheating that presented a competetive advantage of some sort. That is simply not the case here.

 

[IrishLax]

agree that it is directed against Paterno. I just don't recall a vacation of wins ever being applied unless there was some sort of cheating that presented a competetive advantage of some sort. That is simply not the case here.

Agree, that's the tricky part here, isn't it? This wasn't a competitive balance issue. This was a football program/legendary coach that was the living embodiment of the football program damaging the welfare of many children. Hard to discern what is an appropriate punishment for letting football get in the way of the collective moral compass.....

 

[yankeeND]

Your not around these people 247. Finally can get them to shut the hell up. So yes, for me, today is a great day.

No doubt man, I used to be on 247 and the members there are brutal. The team site was fine but when you get on there main board it gets out of control fast.

 

[IrishLax]

No doubt man, I used to be on 247 and the members there are brutal. The team site was fine but when you get on there main board it gets out of control fast.

I think he meant 24/7 in the traditional sense... as in living in Philly hahaha

Or am I wrong?