What's the right group of recruits for this year?

[yankeeND]

yankeeND, I at least really DO like your pleasant approach to our having-gentle-fun nonsense. You really DO "have potential." Please keep up the congenial smiling face; I can't tell you the percentage of high testosterone "never wrong" [insert unflattering noun] we have here at IE, but it is WAY too high. I'm sending a 1200 pound green rep your way to show you that I mean it.

Thank you for the kind words onlyasoldasyoufeelMike!

I have done the message boards for a few years and you got down to science. This is by far my favorite Notre Dame forum I have ever had the pleasure of being apart of. Even when I was a lurker I've laughed out loud just sitting at the computer after work, winding down from even the most miserable of days.

I'm not much for conflict anyway and hell if you can't laugh at yourself sometimes your not really living!

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

yankeeND, I at least really DO like your pleasant approach to our having-gentle-fun nonsense. You really DO "have potential." Please keep up the congenial smiling face; I can't tell you the percentage of high testosterone "never wrong" [insert unflattering noun] we have here at IE, but it is WAY too high. I'm sending a 1200 pound green rep your way to show you that I mean it.

Wait a second.... That happens here?

lmao

 

[Domina Nostra]

I am very suprised to hear so many people content with not getting a RB this year.

Best Case:
Wood- stays for another 1,500 (circa 2012)
GAIII- becomes Dickersonesque tall RB
Carlisle - is the ultra speedy change of pace guy
Mahone - develops into change-of-pace pounder
Russell - classic hybrid/Riddick pt. 2

Worst Case
- We lose Wood
- GAIII is a little too tall and lean for the position and tends to take big shots and lose the ball
- Carlisle may be AA pt. 2, very talented but injury prone
- Mahone needs time to develop
- Russell is more of a WR or even CB...

More likely Somewhere inbetween
- We lose Wood
- GAIII is a stud, but not an everydown back
- Carlisle is a stud, but not an everydown back
- Mahone needs time to develop
- Russell is more of a slot guy

We need depth IMO! The best high school players play QB or RB, we need to get some of them.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I am very suprised to hear so many people content with not getting a RB this year.

Best Case:
Wood- stays for another 1,500 (circa 2012)
GAIII- becomes Dickersonesque tall RB
Carlisle - is the ultra speedy change of pace guy
Mahone - develops into change-of-pace pounder
Russell - classic hybrid

Worst Case
- We lose Wood
- GAIII is a little too tall and lean for the position and tends to take big shots and lose the ball
- Carlisle may be AA pt. 2, very talented but injury prone
- Mahone needs time to develop
- Russell is more of a WR or even CB...

Likely Somewhere inbetween
- We lose Wood
- GAIII is a stud, but not an everydown back
- Carlisle is a stud, but not an everydown back
- Russell is more of a slot guy

We need depth IMO!

You are forgetting Mr. Neal.

 

[woolybug25]

You are forgetting Mr. Neal.

I haven't given up hope on Cameron Robinson yet either.


Although I know many of the rest of you have....

 

[FLDomer]

I haven't given up hope on Cameron Robinson yet either.


Although I know many of the rest of you have....

Ya beat me to it Wooly! Great minds....

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I haven't given up hope on Cameron Robinson yet either.


Although I know many of the rest of you have....

Well you should because there is no one on the team by that name. Unless of course you mean Cameron Roberson.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I would be very suprised if Roberson returned and had a productive career. What is the current prognosis?

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Will Theo be exhausting his eligibility this year? Was he another freshman casualty w Chuck's last class (by that I mean playing immediately without an opportunity to marinate for a year)? He could have a big season this year.

 

[woolybug25]

Well you should because there is no one on the team by that name. Unless of course you mean Cameron Roberson.

You sly dog, you.

 

[beryirish]

If people see Roberson as never coming back from this injury then I'm guessing the coaches are aware of how bad it is too. Could they give Cam an academic scholarship to free up a football scholly if they truly feel he won't be able to play D1 ball?

 

[STLDomer]

Will Theo be exhausting his eligibility this year? Was he another freshman casualty w Chuck's last class (by that I mean playing immediately without an opportunity to marinate for a year)? He could have a big season this year.

Riddick played his freshman year I believe, but it wasn't a waste

 

[yankeeND]

Will Theo be exhausting his eligibility this year? Was he another freshman casualty w Chuck's last class (by that I mean playing immediately without an opportunity to marinate for a year)? He could have a big season this year.

Yes sir, Theo was a KR as a true freshman and got around 30 carries as a tailback. I wish he could have sat and got an opportunity to learn but hey at least we have him for this year. He also looks huge to me compared to last year so hopefully no injuries in his Sr season to go along with lots of TD's.

 

[STLDomer]

I personally think we take a RB this year, u have: Green, Clement, then guys like Muhammad and Edwards that don't have offers and of course another name will pop up

 

[yankeeND]

I personally think we take a RB this year, u have: Green, Clement, then guys like Muhammad and Edwards that don't have offers and of course another name will pop up

I was looking for but could not find Muhammd's thread. Do you know his 40 time? I want a RB this year too and preferably a 4.3 guy. I want one of those speed backs that has multiple explosive plays for scores. Watching Wood score on that 55 yard run vs Purdue and Gray for 79 yards @ Pitt was just great and I want 5 or 6 of those a year. I think having that LaMichael James or Percy Harvin speed back would just be so helpful to this team. Watching us last year grind out drives was actually not bad, it was the finishing of drives that was the problem. If you have that kid that can score from anywhere on the field anytime he touches the ball you can make up for stalling drives and a turnover here and there.

 

[STLDomer]

He doesnt have a thread.

Kid is electric, just a little small

Khalfani Muhammad

Khalfani Muhammad - Yahoo! Sports

Track star too

Track: Khalfani Muhammad runs 10.45 100 meters - latimes.com

 

[yankeeND]

He doesnt have a thread.

Kid is electric, just a little small

Khalfani Muhammad

Khalfani Muhammad - Yahoo! Sports

Track star too

Track: Khalfani Muhammad runs 10.45 100 meters - latimes.com

Thanks man! He looks like he could be that guy! I like that he's from Sherman Oaks too.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If people see Roberson as never coming back from this injury then I'm guessing the coaches are aware of how bad it is too. Could they give Cam an academic scholarship to free up a football scholly if they truly feel he won't be able to play D1 ball?

Yes. The NCAA allows for "medical" scholarships, in an attempt to assure that athletes with career ending injuries don't lose their financial aid. Accepting one removes that player from the team.

Football factories like 'Bama are infamous for pressuring underperformers to take such scholarships.

 

[NDhoosier]

I dont see all 4 QBs being on the team this time next year. In my personal opinion, Rees will transfer. With the current magic number at 25, a transfer of 1 Rees would allow 26, but with 5th years I am in the 22-23 range of 2013 recruits

LBs (4):
Jaylon Smith
Doug Randolph
Alex Anzalone
One more LB that best fits with this group, not sure where the other 3 are viewed as by the coaches.

DE (2):
Sherit
Rochell

DT (1):
Not really sure, Pagano seems like a DE to some, maybe Latham or Munger (spelling)

DBs (2):
Cole Luke
elite DB among Willis, Hargreaves, Redfield, Alexander, or even Moore

WR (1):
DeMarcus Robinson

RB (1):
Ryan Green

= 11
+ 12 verbals = 23 2013 commits

 

[NDPhilly]

We will take 2 RB.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

We will take 2 RB.

Where'd you read that? One is arguable, but probably for the best. Two, with our scholarship crunch and the talent already here, is hard to defend.

 

[NDPhilly]

Where'd you read that? One is arguable, but probably for the best. Two, with our scholarship crunch and the talent already here, is hard to defend.

Staten Island RB Augustus Edwards was told that by the staff yesterday.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Staten Island RB Augustus Edwards was told that by the staff yesterday.

That tells me that: (1) the staff knows of impending transfers; or (2) they intend to place Roberson on a medical scholarship. I can't justify taking a 2nd RB otherwise.

 

[STLDomer]

Or they really want Ogudeko

 

[NDPhilly]

I think they want one big back (Edwards) and one scat back like Green or Mizzell

 

[Old Man Mike]

Hmmmm.... this is interesting. Edwards DOES seem like a power back rather than a RB/Slot hybrid. Because we don't have Jonas Gray, and Cam Roberson might not be able to go, [ever], this sounds like Kelly is going with his strengths this year,[all the razzle-dazzle of the hybrid "you can't catch me if you can't find me" offense], but actually feels more comfortable with a true power back to line up and smash as a regular, if part-time, feature of his playbook. He sees GAIII as only a "maybe" on this, but more of a speed slasher. Big Will Mahone then would put him at only one power back, which if Kelly is wanting to feature some of this in future years, maybe that's what is going on here.

All this assumes Edwards interpreted whatever he heard correctly. It also could mean something like a medical-release academic scholarship for CamR. Scholarship numbers are at a premium as usual, but maybe Coach also feels that none of the fifths are coming back [as a likelihood anyway] --- but I really hope that's wrong; I want at least Watt.

 

[yankeeND]

Hmmmm.... this is interesting. Edwards DOES seem like a power back rather than a RB/Slot hybrid. Because we don't have Jonas Gray, and Cam Roberson might not be able to go, [ever], this sounds like Kelly is going with his strengths this year,[all the razzle-dazzle of the hybrid "you can't catch me if you can't find me" offense], but actually feels more comfortable with a true power back to line up and smash as a regular, if part-time, feature of his playbook. He sees GAIII as only a "maybe" on this, but more of a speed slasher. Big Will Mahone then would put him at only one power back, which if Kelly is wanting to feature some of this in future years, maybe that's what is going on here.

All this assumes Edwards interpreted whatever he heard correctly. It also could mean something like a medical-release academic scholarship for CamR. Scholarship numbers are at a premium as usual, but maybe Coach also feels that none of the fifths are coming back [as a likelihood anyway] --- but I really hope that's wrong; I want at least Watt.

Yeah I think Watt is an All-American type player! He is very important to the team for his 5th year.

 

[IrishLax]

I like this thread, even if it's "too early" because we don't know scholarship numbers. What's interesting to me is that I think the total # of available scholarships is quite in flux and will have a massive effect on how this class pans out. The way I see it we have anywhere between 7 and 10 available scholarships right now... most likely either 8 or 9.

If we take 8, you're looking at... IMO...

3 LB
2 DL
1 WR
1 DB
1 best available... likely a DB, RB, LB, or DL/LB hybrid

So with 8... you're really looking at probably 3 out of 4 between Randolph, Mattingly, Anzalone, and Cox. I think Ebenezer is going to be deciding too late in the cycle... I think Ball gets passed on... I guess we'll see, but with 8 we might fill up mighty quick at LB and some guys we want to take we might have to pass on or slow play.

Then you're probably looking at Cole Luke (hopefully) or one of these other DBs... can you turn down a Leon McQuay? I know you can't turn down a Heargraves. But it becomes a really big discussion point between a RB, 4th DB, or additional LB/DE.

At DE we're clearly going to push for Rochell (who knows, he could even commit today or be a silent)... whose after that? It becomes much easier to take an Alec James DE/LB or someone else if we have 9 spots. Do we hold out for Alquadin Muhammed or Jordan Sherit?

And then at WR I have absolutely no idea who our 3rd guy is going to be. Depending on who we can get and the year Corey Robinson has in HS / the year Chris Brown or Justin Ferguson has maybe we don't take a 3rd guy. Right now, Demarcus Robinson is the only big time WR even on our radar.. and we certainly don't lead there.

So it'll be interesting to see what happens. You can see how this class is shaping up, but at the same time decision schedules and a numbers crunch could really change things. Do you risk slow playing any of these guys? And obviously, new names are going to pop up... for now, I'll go ahead and gander a best case scenario of:

Mattingly, Randolph, Anzalone
Rochell, Muhammed
Cole Luke
Leon McQuay
David Williams

 

[PerthDomer]

I think Ogundeko decides in mid August... certainly not too late for him. Also, don't forget we seem to get a transfer or two every year and with the QB situation there's a good chance that happens.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I think Ogundeko decides in mid August... certainly not too late for him. Also, don't forget we seem to get a transfer or two every year and with the QB situation there's a good chance that happens.

...or one is doing jail time.