Who's next? - 2018 Version

[irishog77]

I think Tillery could have problems adjusting to pro football, on and off the field.

 

[GowerND11]

Something has to give....or someone has to give up an scholly....either way....


IMHO taking a Mabry and Dirksen and have them sit for 4 years ala Byrne isn't the kindest action to take.

let them go play in the MAC, where they can be 3 year starters

Until one of them is Zack Martin and we kick ourselves...

 

[IrishLion]

do you watch games?

He does.

He thinks we run a 4-4 with a single high safety. Only ever notices Coleman's number out there.

The frequent sightings of "21" and "14" are illusions.

 

[GowerND11]

do you watch games?

I was wondering the same thing Saturday with all the crap he said in the NCST thread.

 

[snoopdog]

Until one of them is Zack Martin and we kick ourselves...

Zack martin? More like Anthony Munoz....these two guys are real pro bowl HOF 3 stars.

My point is over the past few years...real legitimate 4 stars sit. Taking 3 stars at the oline position seems like a wasted scholly. But maybe things have changed....I am just spitballin.



Guys like Bivin and Bryne and even Hoge didn't have a role...and if NDP and god willing Mays commit, these two will be practice players for the duration, especially with Eichenberg, Kraemer, Hainsy, Lugg, Banks, having 3-4 years of eligibility left.

Sweet position to be in for ND and HH, so it allows ND to be super choosy

 

[BobbyMac]

Goodness, a couple good wins and all of a sudden "we want bama", and now we are bama.

Interesting you say that because it's clear that the staff in its new configuration is planning an overhaul of this roster. So often SEC teams would blatantly recruit right over players they no longer wanted on the roster and the following year So Miss, Troy and UAB had a bumper crop of transfers. ND's recruiting way more LB's, safeties & WR's than they have open slots for at each position. I'll be shocked if a WOPO gets a surprise scholarship next year.

 

[koonja]

Interesting you say that because it's clear that the staff in its new configuration is planning an overhaul of this roster. So often SEC teams would blatantly recruit right over players they no longer wanted on the roster and the following year So Miss, Troy and UAB had a bumper crop of transfers. ND's recruiting way more LB's, safeties & WR's than they have open slots for at each position. I'll be shocked if a WOPO gets a surprise scholarship next year.

I'm all for it given that they don't surprise the commits at the last second. But I just don't believe ND will back off of a committed OL in lieu of a better OL.

Not offering 5th years to players, or suggesting players go elsewhere if they want to play is not unethical for ND. They're not forced to leave (we honor 4 year schollys, unlike some schools), so it really is up to them. At OSU/places with reocurring 1 year schollys, they don't get that choice.

2 years ago ND could have told Mokwuah he's never going to play, but he can sit back and say "fine by me, I'll eat cheetohs for the next 2 years because ND honors 4 year schollys".

If he had chosen to go - that's fine too. I'm all for these situations. I just don't see them forcing a commit out.

 

[GowerND11]

Zack martin? More like Anthony Munoz....these two guys are real pro bowl HOF 3 stars.

My point is over the past few years...real legitimate 4 stars sit. Taking 3 stars at the oline position seems like a wasted scholly. But maybe things have changed....I am just spitballin.



Guys like Bivin and Bryne and even Hoge didn't have a role...and if NDP and god willing Mays commit, these two will be practice players for the duration, especially with Eichenberg, Kraemer, Hainsy, Lugg, Banks, having 3-4 years of eligibility left.

Sweet position to be in for ND and HH, so it allows ND to be super choosy

And my point is, much like Koon, this is ND. Very surprising if we just pull schollies and push guys out who have been committed for a long time. I get it. 4 star guys are sitting. I understand that. But let's not become like other schools and just start dumping dudes.

 

[beryirish]

Interesting you say that because it's clear that the staff in its new configuration is planning an overhaul of this roster. So often SEC teams would blatantly recruit right over players they no longer wanted on the roster and the following year So Miss, Troy and UAB had a bumper crop of transfers. ND's recruiting way more LB's, safeties & WR's than they have open slots for at each position. I'll be shocked if a WOPO gets a surprise scholarship next year.

You see this as a way for ND to stay competitive and therefore go the route most football factories go with overhauling their rosters and plucking the bad crops to plant fresh new ones?

 

[BobbyMac]

Zack martin? More like Anthony Munoz....these two guys are real pro bowl HOF 3 stars.

My point is over the past few years...real legitimate 4 stars sit. Taking 3 stars at the oline position seems like a wasted scholly. But maybe things have changed....I am just spitballin.



Guys like Bivin and Bryne and even Hoge didn't have a role...and if NDP and god willing Mays commit, these two will be practice players for the duration, especially with Eichenberg, Kraemer, Hainsy, Lugg, Banks, having 3-4 years of eligibility left.

Sweet position to be in for ND and HH, so it allows ND to be super choosy

They are losing 4 of their 13 scholarship players off the current roster. Add to that P-Money and Hoge transferring, that's 6-15 you are replacing this cycle. To top it off, you lose a Sr. Scout team WOPO in Sam Bush unless he sticks around for grad work. ND only has 3 WOPO's at OL to help with practice depth.

They need at least 3 this cycle and it's ok if two of them are depth guys for 4 year. They also need a couple PWO's like Travis Spreen from OR who visited. Gotta have three lines for practice.

 

[dwshade]

Jerry Tillery definitely needs another year before going to NFL. He has made great strides this year and if he continues to make further progress next season he could be a second day draft pick. Dru Tranquill should go this year. Already had two knee injuries and with the year he's having strike while the iron is hot. For those who don't think he has the skill set for NFL you couldn't be more wrong. The hybrid S/LB role is growing in popularity in the NFL. I follow the Steelers and he would be a perfect in that role for them. Not to mention being a solid special teams guy.

 

[snoopdog]

They are losing 4 of their 13 scholarship players off the current roster. Add to that P-Money and Hoge transferring, that's 6-15 you are replacing this cycle. To top it off, you lose a Sr. Scout team WOPO in Sam Bush unless he sticks around for grad work. ND only has 3 WOPO's at OL to help with practice depth.

They need at least 3 this cycle and it's ok if two of them are depth guys for 4 year. They also need a couple PWO's like Travis Spreen from OR who visited. Gotta have three lines for practice.

I absolutely agree with this, but only of it doesn't cost a 5 star or high 4 star commit.

 

[BobbyMac]

You see this as a way for ND to stay competitive and therefore go the route most football factories go with overhauling their rosters and plucking the bad crops to plant fresh new ones?

I think it's clear the staff wants a bunch of different players on D. Other's have said the paid site folks have hinted to this. I don't believe the staff is going to take commitments from 25 guys AND THEN go and tell 2 current safeties, a current rover and 2 currnet LB's, "Sorry, ya gotta go." I think some people have been targeted for replacement and with this much over recruiting I'd guess (and hope) they know who is leaving already. It's a new regime with different schemes on O & D, they need to want to make over the roster asap to match their needs.

I'm ok if players decide they want to play somewhere else over riding pine. I'm ok if the staff is open and upfront about their desires to retool on the fly. On the flip side, I'm also ok with DJ Morgan never playing a snap at Rover, contributing what he can on ST, busting his azz everyday in practice and sitting on his scholarship until he graduates because ND gave it to him. Once he gets there all you can ask is he contributes to the best of his ability.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Everyone over hear worried about scholly numbers and I'm just like, "hope we have 80 next august"

 

[Irishman77]

I hope you guys are right on tillery staying. I see him ascending every week and ending up with a second round grade. I would very pleasantly surprised if he stays!

 

[Luckylucci]

Interesting you say that because it's clear that the staff in its new configuration is planning an overhaul of this roster. So often SEC teams would blatantly recruit right over players they no longer wanted on the roster and the following year So Miss, Troy and UAB had a bumper crop of transfers. ND's recruiting way more LB's, safeties & WR's than they have open slots for at each position. I'll be shocked if a WOPO gets a surprise scholarship next year.

But the staff isn't preparing to take all of the players on the board. It's all going to depend on who wants in and when. We aren't taking 1 LB, 2 WR's, 2 OL, 4 DB's, 1 DE, for example.

The board looks vast, and spots look few, that is the perfect spot to be in. Not because we are taking them all.

 

[BobbyMac]

But the staff isn't preparing to take all of the players on the board. It's all going to depend on who wants in and when. We aren't taking 1 LB, 2 WR's, 2 OL, 4 DB's, 1 DE, for example.

The board looks vast, and spots look few, that is the perfect spot to be in. Not because we are taking them all.

I know they can't take them all. What they have already combined with the fact they are still chasing select players at each position tells me something is up.

They have 7 safeties on the roster, lose 0 and are bringing in 3 more if Crim qualifies.

They have 11 LB/Rover on the roster, lose 2 (maybe 3 w/ Tranquill) and have 4 committed currently and want PooPoo, Wilson, Hollifield.

 

[dwshade]

But the staff isn't preparing to take all of the players on the board. It's all going to depend on who wants in and when. We aren't taking 1 LB, 2 WR's, 2 OL, 4 DB's, 1 DE, for example.

The board looks vast, and spots look few, that is the perfect spot to be in. Not because we are taking them all.

We have what 6 or 7 spots left? I think 1 WR, 1 OL and 4 DB's. Could be two OL if it's NPF and Mays. Think the LB's on the board are all long shots at best.

 

[Luckylucci]

We have what 6 or 7 spots left? I think 1 WR, 1 OL and 4 DB's. Could be two OL if it's NPF and Mays. Think the LB's on the board are all long shots at best.

This is basically my point.

Worrying about roster attrition at this time seems pointless. Let's land the 1 LB, add the 2 Wr's, the 2 OL, the 4 DB's, and then we can worry about it.

Since we more than likely won't be, not sure it's worth it spending this much time on who is going to transfer.

 

[BobbyMac]

This is basically my point.

Worrying about roster attrition at this time seems pointless. Let's land the 1 LB, add the 2 Wr's, the 2 OL, the 4 DB's, and then we can worry about it.

Since we more than likely won't be, not sure it's worth it spending this much time on who is going to transfer.

Now one's worrying or complaining about it that I've seen. It's speculation and it's fun.

Are you expecting 27 commits? That's what you'll have if you get your wishlist above.

 

[NDMIA]

Maybe with 27 commits he'd ask Paul Moala, Cole Mabry, and Justin Ademilola to grayshirt lol

 

[AllGoldEverything]

SMH at the people who are talking about pulling scholarships for players that are already committed to us. This is Notre Dame, not Alabama or Ohio State; we hold ourselves to a much higher standard than that.

As far as Tillery goes, I do think that he could go to the after this year and be successful. The guys is playing out of his mind up to this point in the season. Do I want him to come back? Absolutely. And I think his stock could increase even higher. All I'm saying is that Tillery could be successful in the NFL if he does decide to leave after this year.

 

[koonja]

SMH at the people who are talking about pulling scholarships for players that are already committed to us. This is Notre Dame, not Alabama or Ohio State; we hold ourselves to a much higher standard than that.

As far as Tillery goes, I do think that he could go to the after this year and be successful. The guys is playing out of his mind up to this point in the season. Do I want him to come back? Absolutely. And I think his stock could increase even higher. All I'm saying is that Tillery could be successful in the NFL if he does decide to leave after this year.

Mike at ISD thinks Tillery is a 2nd round pick this year. Point is, he's a day 2-er.

 

[Luckylucci]

Now one's worrying or complaining about it that I've seen. It's speculation and it's fun.

Are you expecting 27 commits? That's what you'll have if you get your wishlist above.

Personally, speculation on transfers or who we'd "push" out is poor form.

It's not a wishlist, it was illustrating the point that it's ridiculous to "speculate" on transfers when there is a lot that has to happen first.

 

[BobbyMac]

Personally, speculation on transfers or who we'd "push" out is poor form.

It's not a wishlist, it was illustrating the point that it's ridiculous to "speculate" on transfers when there is a lot that has to happen first.

ND wouldn't push a guy out. They would say, "We are going in a different direction than the guys who brought you in, you're not a fit for the new system. If you are looking for playing time, it won't be here. Of course, the scholarship is your's for 4 years as long as you bust azz on the scout team."

And there is nothing poor form about speculating who those players might be. ND changed schemes and staff. This was expected and talked about last Dec-Jan-Feb.

With analysts calling for 24-25 player class, I know for a fact the staff already knows some guys are leaving.

 

[Luckylucci]

ND wouldn't push a guy out. They would say, "We are going in a different direction than the guys who brought you in, you're not a fit for the new system. If you are looking for playing time, it won't be here. Of course, the scholarship is your's for 4 years as long as you bust azz on the scout team."

And there is nothing poor form about speculating who those players might be. ND changed schemes and staff. This was expected and talked about last Dec-Jan-Feb.

With analysts calling for 24-25 player class, I know for a fact the staff already knows some guys are leaving.

That's your opinion, mine differs. Especially since we are not even in the position where it matters yet. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. Will this be relevant? At some point, yes. Is it now, absolutely not, or even close.

We are roughly 2 months away from the early signing period. This only starts to become relevant then.

 

[BobbyMac]

That's your opinion, mine differs. Especially since we are not even in the position where it matters yet. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. Will this be relevant? At some point, yes. Is it now, absolutely not, or even close.

We are roughly 2 months away from the early signing period. This only starts to become relevant then.

There's more than 85 players in the shopping cart and mama's still shopping. I'll see you at the checkout line in February.

 

[irishog77]

Based on potential, Tillery is probably anywhere from a 1st-4th rounder. Based on current ability, he's maybe late 2nd rounder-7th rounder. So it's a total crap shoot. He's probably better off staying in school.

Again though, I think his adjustment to the pro game will be difficult, on and off the field. And again, he's probably better off staying in school.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Based on potential, Tillery is probably anywhere from a 1st-4th rounder. Based on current ability, he's maybe late 2nd rounder-7th rounder. So it's a total crap shoot. He's probably better off staying in school.

Again though, I think his adjustment to the pro game will be difficult, on and off the field. And again, he's probably better off staying in school.

If I'm an NFL scout, I'd like to see him do it 2 years in a row before I took him with a top pick.

 

[dwshade]

Mike at ISD thinks Tillery is a 2nd round pick this year. Point is, he's a day 2-er.

Mike is nuts then.