Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[irishff1014]

Ken is another you name you can throw in the trash. He isn't going to get asked to come here and thank god for that.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

It would never happen but IF it did and they hired Ken Niumatalolo I honestly don't think I could be a fan anymore and watch that disaster year in a year out.

 

[GBdomer]

Was the rivals update on what they are hearing is going on with BK ever posted?

 

[stlnd01]

Ken is another you name you can throw in the trash. He isn't going to get asked to come here and thank god for that.

Why? He seems like a stand-up guy who has built Navy into a solid program. No small feat. I don't think we should become a triple option team either, but I'd imagine he's capable of coaching other systems, or hiring an OC who can.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Why? He seems like a stand-up guy who has built Navy into a solid program. No small feat. I don't think we should become a triple option team either, but I'd imagine he's capable of coaching other systems, or hiring an OC who can.

as far as I know he's triple option all the way.

 

[calvegas04]

not sure why all the love for mullen

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

not sure why all the love for mullen

No doubt.

I know he was a long shot, But with Herman presumably going to LSU i'm slowly swallowing the fact that BK is probably coming back, unless of course he bolts for something.

So, with that. I'm curious who are some DC's out there that would work for Brian Kelly?

 

[NDisme]

Again I personally do not think just Hiring a D.C. Is going to fix things. The culture of the program is soft and mentally weak. And what high profile D.C. Wants to hitch their wagon to Kelly when he could be gone in a year?

 

[irishff1014]

Why? He seems like a stand-up guy who has built Navy into a solid program. No small feat. I don't think we should become a triple option team either, but I'd imagine he's capable of coaching other systems, or hiring an OC who can.

We know nothing about his true recruiting abilities. That offense is umm no thanks. I am sure it wouldn't work here. You would never get a QB that was just bad a throwing the ball or a Top 50 Wr. There's a reason only a few teams run it. And other than this year and last his defensive units aren't that good.

 

[stlnd01]

Again I personally do not think just Hiring a D.C. Is going to fix things. The culture of the program is soft and mentally weak. And what high profile D.C. Wants to hitch their wagon to Kelly when he could be gone in a year?

I'm curious. Would you have said that a year ago?
Because I think we lost a ton of leadership in last year's senior class/early exits, and for whatever reason, the upperclassmen this year couldn't re-produce it. I think that was a big factor in why the season went as it did (there were others, including in-game coaching failures). I agree that does somewhat fall on the coaching staff. Particularly the dynamic around QB at the start of the year. But a lot of that is organic to the players, and we have a very young team. I think (hope?) new leaders will emerge this off-season who set a different tone for their teammates.

As for DC, everyone in this business is on a short-term contract. ylu get job security by winning. And some DC candidates could see Kelly's short leash as a path to the head coaching job. Worked for a Bob Davie.

 

[kmoose]

The culture of the program is soft and mentally weak.

What makes you believe this? ND's offense is certainly a finesse offense. But mentally weak teams can usually be counted on to quit in the second half, something this team has NOT done this year.

 

[Downinthebend]

What makes you believe this? ND's offense is certainly a finesse offense. But mentally weak teams can usually be counted on to quit in the second half, something this team has NOT done this year.

How is it finesse?

 

[NDPhilly]

Again I personally do not think just Hiring a D.C. Is going to fix things. The culture of the program is soft and mentally weak. And what high profile D.C. Wants to hitch their wagon to Kelly when he could be gone in a year?

The type of player the University of Notre Dame attracts is relatively "soft" compared to Alabama, LSU, OSU, etc... and probably always will be. Somehow Stanford has overcome this with great coaching by Harbaugh that instilled toughness in the program.

 

[NorthDakota]

The type of player the University of Notre Dame attracts is relatively "soft" compared to Alabama, LSU, OSU, etc... and probably always will be. Somehow Stanford has overcome this with great coaching by Harbaugh that instilled toughness in the program.

I don't think the players are soft compared to those schools. Certainly not as athletic..wouldn't say soft though.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

I don't think the players are soft compared to those schools. Certainly not as athletic..wouldn't say soft though.

I didn't think to much of it until the A Season With on Showtime. I just cringed at times. They just seem off to me. I'm not doubting that they are competitive. They just don't strike me as tough. Like if shit hits the fan in an ally, is Jerry Tillery a guy I want with me? From what I can tell, that would be a no.

 

[phork]

For the record, I'm not opposed to keeping BK for another year, paired with a strong DC. But if he's done, he's done. Either way, Notre Dame is not a training wheels job, and I'm not so convinced that a couple good years at Western Michigan is sufficient preparation.
As for who we might be able to get, you don't know who will or won't come here until you start asking them, but here's five gettable HCs I'd take over Fleck. In no particular order.

Chryst
Narduzzi
Dan Mullen
Kyle Whittingham
Ken N from Navy
Charlie Strong (Bonus. Six!)

All are experienced, proven head coaches. None seem like such a reach.

Gettable, how?

Chryst is a Badger Alum, and they are setting up just fine there.
Narduzzi - possibly.
Mullen - No thanks
Whittingham - No chance on coming to ND
Ken N - No triple option, thanks. Nor would he come here after dumping BYU.
Charlie Strong - You cant win in Texas? You arent winning here. DC yes? HC no.

So your bonus 6 is only 1.

 

[kmoose]

How is it finesse?

It seems to be much more predicated on passing than rushing(Truthfully, the play calling has been pretty balanced: 315 pass attempts to 365 rushing attempts). What running we do is normally read option. Instead of powering through a designed hole, we read what the defense is doing and react to it. In the passing game, we rely on a lot of timing stuff. When Kizer is in rhythm, we usually do very well. When he isn't, we struggle.

 

[stlnd01]

"Toughness" is a really tricky topic. For one, these kids work really really hard. Who are we to judge?

But also, I think it's fair to say a big chunk of our roster is made up of kids for whom there's more to life than football. Probably more so than at many other elite programs. This is part of the appeal of Notre Dame, right? Well-rounded young men. True student-athletes. But it also means, at times, they may seem, or even be, "soft" on the field because they spend more time doing things like traveling the world (Tillery) or running for student body president (Corey Robinson) or even walking away from a starting job and likely NFL career to go do work they find more meaningful (Elmer). This is not a bad thing. At all. But it's not a win-at-all-costs mentality either.

 

[Big23Head]

Sorry if this has been posted, too hard to read back on my phone. A guy at Scout that knew more depth info about BVGs firing has said BK "resigns" early next week. He was correct with BVG on all of it and is very adamant about this too. O'Malley has felt BK is gone too.

 

[stlnd01]

Gettable, how?

Chryst is a Badger Alum, and they are setting up just fine there.
Narduzzi - possibly.
Mullen - No thanks
Whittingham - No chance on coming to ND
Ken N - No triple option, thanks. Nor would he come here after dumping BYU.
Charlie Strong - You cant win in Texas? You arent winning here. DC yes? HC no.

So your bonus 6 is only 1.

You declare them not gettable, or "no thanks." How do you know until you try?
And I'm not saying I'd want all these guys, or necessarily any of them, but they're all stronger candidates than PJ Fleck. If he's the best we can do, keep Kelly.

 

[TP81989]

Sorry if this has been posted, too hard to read back on my phone. A guy at Scout that knew more depth info about BVGs firing has said BK "resigns" early next week. He was correct with BVG on all of it and is very adamant about this too. O'Malley has felt BK is gone too.

I hope this is true. Kelly has done some good things at ND, but it's time for both sides to move on.

 

[NDgradstudent]

What makes you believe this? ND's offense is certainly a finesse offense. But mentally weak teams can usually be counted on to quit in the second half, something this team has NOT done this year.

We haven't quit but we've gagged away leads.

 

[stlnd01]

Sorry if this has been posted, too hard to read back on my phone. A guy at Scout that knew more depth info about BVGs firing has said BK "resigns" early next week. He was correct with BVG on all of it and is very adamant about this too. O'Malley has felt BK is gone too.

Would explain his cutting short the usual California recruiting trip.

 

[NDPhilly]

Why would he resign when he's guaranteed all this money if he stays on? He'd have to really just be done with Notre Dame to leave all that on the table.

 

[Downinthebend]

It seems to be much more predicated on passing than rushing(Truthfully, the play calling has been pretty balanced: 315 pass attempts to 365 rushing attempts). What running we do is normally read option. Instead of powering through a designed hole, we read what the defense is doing and react to it. In the passing game, we rely on a lot of timing stuff. When Kizer is in rhythm, we usually do very well. When he isn't, we struggle.

This is pretty on point, however about 40% or so of our running plays are gap blocking scheme which do have designed holes. I'd say what your describing isn't finesse, most people say finesse when the running game is purely east/west or draw.

 

[stlnd01]

Why would he resign when he's guaranteed all this money if he stays on? He'd have to really just be done with Notre Dame to leave all that on the table.

We really have no idea what his buyout terms are.
And maybe he's quitting to take the job at Texas or LSU!

 

[kmoose]

This is pretty on point, however about 40% or so of our running plays are gap blocking scheme which do have designed holes. I'd say what your describing isn't finesse, most people say finesse when the running game is purely east/west or draw.

Fair enough, but the point was that I don't think the offense is soft. You could make an argument that it's not your dad's "3 yards and a cloud of dust", but that doesn't necessarily equal "soft and mentally weak"

 

[Downinthebend]

Fair enough, but the point was that I don't think the offense is soft. You could make an argument that it's not your dad's "3 yards and a cloud of dust", but that doesn't necessarily equal "soft and mentally weak"

I completely agree.

 

[GBdomer]

Sorry if this has been posted, too hard to read back on my phone. A guy at Scout that knew more depth info about BVGs firing has said BK "resigns" early next week. He was correct with BVG on all of it and is very adamant about this too. O'Malley has felt BK is gone too.

Driskell says same thing, Lou says same thing. 247 is clueless I'm waiting for ISD say something. My only question is why would they post this and even if it's a high level booster why would he post this info on a message board? Or why would this booster or whoever post it on the internet. I think there is smoke behind all BK leaving but I don't think anything is confirmed yet. I would be surprised if he is back though. I think Jack and BK have known for weeks now and Jack has put plenty feelers out. Jack is always five steps ahead of everyone else but I don't think BK or Jack would leak this out early whatever it may be.

 

[Rack Em]

Why would he resign when he's guaranteed all this money if he stays on? He'd have to really just be done with Notre Dame to leave all that on the table.

The NCAA sanctions may violate a clause in his contract and may void his buyout.

He resigns to save face, knowing he's not getting his buyout anyway. It also makes finding a new coaching job easier because there'd be less legal hoops to jump through with a buyout or voiding his contract. And then his next school can say they hired the guy who "left ND" instead of the guy who got "shitcanned by ND." It's basically for optics.

It becomes a clean slate for the man with zero culpability.