Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

BobbyMac

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I'm not a Miles fan but as for the other five names...I don't think any of those names would be interested in ND at this point. Stoops reportedly was interested last time when they hired BK. He asked for five academic exceptions & ND declined.

PJ Fleck would walk, crawl even slither the 50 or so miles that separate Kalamazoo and South Bend in a heartbeat to get the $4M pay raise and a stocked roster. You can simply row a bigger boat on the mighty St. Joe.
 

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My Coach Wish List

(If Kelly were to Depart. I am in the Pro-Kelly camp pending he gets a Strong/Aranda/Schiano DC. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt, for some odd reason; many of which I won't state because I am sure many will filet them.)

1a. Saban (Pipe Dream)
1b. Urban Meyer (Pipe Dream)
3. Chris Peterson (Pipe Dream)
4. Greg Schiano
5. Tom Herman (Pipe Dream)
6. Bob Stoops
7. Mike McIntyre

Fixed ^^^

I'd like to see what would happen if Stoops got another chance to coach ND. Maybe the timing would be right this time? He wouldn't be my first choice but I'd rather have him than BK.
 

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Fixed ^^^

I'd like to see what would happen if Stoops got another chance to coach ND. Maybe the timing would be right this time? He wouldn't be my first choice but I'd rather have him than BK.

As long as he doesn't bring his red-headed brother who's defenses give up more than BVG defenses.
 

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As long as he doesn't bring his red-headed brother who's defenses give up more than BVG defenses.

Like I said, not my favorite. He could leave them there to be on Venables staff.
 

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ISD had a great point on their podcast. When any DC knows that BK is about to get canned in 2017, why would they sign to come here after this season?

Why did Aranda leave Wiscy for LSU last year with Les almost fired? A pay raise, a ton of talent, and a 3 year contract.
 

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Guys, as the President, Vice-President, and Treasurer of his fan club it's Chris PetersEn.
 

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From Mike Frank, expect there to be a statement from Swarbs immediately following the sc game if Kelly is retained.

If no statement, "...hmmmm".

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If Swarbrick announced a few weeks back, Kelly is the coach of ND Football in 2017 then why the need for a new announcement. Am I reading too much into it or is the only need for this announcement is to say, "HE GONE."
 

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If Kelly gets fired it's because we went 4-7. What happened today has nothing to do with it. Whatever he did or didn't know about what was going on was known internally two-plus years ago and has been well litigated. This is just another chance for national columnists to drag poor Declan Sullivan and Lizzy Seeburg back out again.
 

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If Kelly gets fired it's because we went 4-7. What happened today has nothing to do with it. Whatever he did or didn't know about what was going on was known internally two-plus years ago and has been well litigated. This is just another chance for national columnists to drag poor Declan Sullivan and Lizzy Seeburg back out again.

That's what happens when you are a bad writer.
 

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That's what happens when you are a bad writer.

Yeah, that's a new school, internet hit piece disguised as journalism at a Gannett Co property. Smear technique to push the anti ND narrative.

I read read elsewhere that he and Doyel may not have a good relationship going back to Cincy.(?)
 

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Assuming (like most) that Tom Herman will head elsewhere, that Saban/Meyer are unrealistic, and that it will probably be too far-fetched and late for an NFL guy to be hired (save MAYBE John Harbaugh) I think the most likely way we make a coaching change is if we get a "burnt out" Power 5 big name coach to come here. The options among small school guys are slim (I know Fleck is legit but it's hard to imagine ND buying out BK for the Western Michigan coach) and there don't seem to be any up-and-coming guys at mid-level Power 5 schools who seem ready.

The guys who seem the most realistic to me are...

D'Antonio
Patterson
Whittingham
Fitzgerald
Shaw
Mullen
Gundy (not a fan)

Obviously anything can happen and getting blown out by USC could make a move imminent, but right now these are the only realistic names out there IMO....and some might not even be realistic....those top five names might be content staying put. I think at this point I would welcome Mullen with open arms.
 
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To elaborate on Dan Mullen being a fine choice if the big names turn us down...

--Grad Assistant at ND
--He's 44
--He's been in charge of a Power 5 program for 8 seasons
--He coached under Urban for 8 seasons (Florida dropped off without him)
--Constantly exceeded expectations at the worst program in the SEC
--He can recruit (finished as high as 16th on Rivals in 2015)
--Has won some very big SEC games
 

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Assuming (like most) that Tom Herman will head elsewhere, that Saban/Meyer are unrealistic, and that it will probably be too far-fetched and late for an NFL guy to be hired (save MAYBE John Harbaugh) I think the most likely way we make a coaching change is if we get a "burnt out" Power 5 big name coach to come here. The options among small school guys are slim (I know Fleck is legit but it's hard to imagine ND buying out BK for the Western Michigan coach) and there don't seem to be any up-and-coming guys at mid-level Power 5 schools who seem ready.

The guys who seem the most realistic to me are...

D'Antonio
Patterson
Whittingham
Fitzgerald
Shaw
Mullen
Gundy (not a fan)

Obviously anything can happen and getting blown out by USC could make a move imminent, but right now these are the only realistic names out there IMO....and some might not even be realistic....those top five names might be content staying put. I think at this point I would welcome Mullen with open arms.

D'Antonio: not leaving MSU. loves it there.
Patterson: built TCU, not leaving
Whittingham: Utah is his baby, not leaving
Fitz: not leaving his alma mater
Shaw: not leaving his alma mater
Mullen: no thanks. is terrible without a Tim Tebow replica
Gundy: no thanks. will put up 50 every week and give up 52 every week.

Guys like Herman, Miles, Harbaugh, Saban, Meyer are laughing at the ND job compared to what they have.

PF Fleck is the wild care if ND makes a move, which I doubt they will
 

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Assuming (like most) that Tom Herman will head elsewhere, that Saban/Meyer are unrealistic, and that it will probably be too far-fetched and late for an NFL guy to be hired (save MAYBE John Harbaugh) I think the most likely way we make a coaching change is if we get a "burnt out" Power 5 big name coach to come here. The options among small school guys are slim (I know Fleck is legit but it's hard to imagine ND buying out BK for the Western Michigan coach) and there don't seem to be any up-and-coming guys at mid-level Power 5 schools who seem ready.

The guys who seem the most realistic to me are...

D'Antonio............... No idea. Doubt it.
Patterson............... No chance 0%
Whittingham.......... LDS. I'd have to see it to believe it.
Fitzgerald............... Hates ND. Burned every bridge.
Shaw...................... No chance 0%
Mullen...................... Thumbs up
Gundy (not a fan)... No idea but he's at his alma mater getting paid well.

Obviously anything can happen and getting blown out by USC could make a move imminent, but right now these are the only realistic names out there IMO....and some might not even be realistic....those top five names might be content staying put. I think at this point I would welcome Mullen with open arms.

Mullen is the man on that list.
 

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D'Antonio: not leaving MSU. loves it there.
Patterson: built TCU, not leaving
Whittingham: Utah is his baby, not leaving
Fitz: not leaving his alma mater
Shaw: not leaving his alma mater
Mullen: no thanks. is terrible without a Tim Tebow replica
Gundy: no thanks. will put up 50 every week and give up 52 every week.

Guys like Herman, Miles, Harbaugh, Saban, Meyer are laughing at the ND job compared to what they have.

PF Fleck is the wild care if ND makes a move, which I doubt they will

Was he terrible with Alex Smith, Chris Leak or Dak Prescott?
 

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Was he terrible with Alex Smith, Chris Leak or Dak Prescott?

IMO, he can't take credit for Alex Smith and Chris Leak. Dak only. In 2015 they went 7-4. Lost to Bama (everyone does), a bad A&mM team, an average Auburn team, and an average LSU team.

He's done a good job considering it's Miss St, but ND said the same about BK when they hired him from Cinci.

** I don't think BK should be fired and don't think he will be this year. Next year...different story.
 

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To elaborate on Dan Mullen being a fine choice if the big names turn us down...

--Grad Assistant at ND
--He's 44
--He's been in charge of a Power 5 program for 8 seasons
--He coached under Urban for 8 seasons (Florida dropped off without him)
--Constantly exceeded expectations at the worst program in the SEC
--He can recruit (finished as high as 16th on Rivals in 2015)
--Has won some very big SEC games

Seems like he wins the games he should win on the schedule but always loses the games he needs to make a breakthrough. Similar to Franklin at vandy. Even the year he won ten games, they lost to every team worth a shit on their schedule.

I don't follow his recruiting but how much does he rely on juco transfers? Big recruiting change for him if he heads north.
 

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Mullen is a practicing Catholic.... remember the Hugh Freeze recruiting debacle when Freeze called Mullen an atheist??? Mullen stated he was/is of Catholic Faith to dispel the atheist statement.
 

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IMO, he can't take credit for Alex Smith and Chris Leak. Dak only. In 2015 they went 7-4. Lost to Bama (everyone does), a bad A&mM team, an average Auburn team, and an average LSU team.

He's done a good job considering it's Miss St, but ND said the same about BK when they hired him from Cinci.

** I don't think BK should be fired and don't think he will be this year. Next year...different story.

Well he was the HC, QB or OC/QB coach for all of them. But if you don't think that counts, ok.
 

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I'll take Charlie Strong at this point. And not look back.

I've supported BK for too long at this point and after USC kicks ND's ass Saturday, I'll be ready to move on for good.
 

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not liking Mullen after the incident with that 5 star kid he fawned over who beat up a woman
 

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Since Kelly has been hired, USC has had 4 coaches, 2 midseason firings, 2 athletic directors, a postseason ban, and is 60-30. Kelly is 59-30.

sorry if this was posted but this honestly flew my mind

I have seen a post like this about Michigan as well. We at ND are about winning championships. So should the comparisons be to Bama, Oh St. Clemson, even Oklahoma and LSU. Not to USC who has not won the PAC-12 or Michigan who has not won the Big-10. Nothing against GBdomer. I just feel we should be thinking championship status national or bust every year.
 

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One of the main reasons that Texas is expected to part ways with Charlie Strong, in addition to his historical losing record and poor coaching in Austin, is because there is a hot candidate up the road that someone else might snap up if the Longhorns don’t act fast.

We, of course, know that is Tom Herman, the head coach of Houston.

But what about Notre Dame? Brian Kelly has obviously won much more than Strong. But between his sideline antics, his refusal to take responsibility for his own coaching mistakes, penchant for throwing his players under the bus and now the academic scandal under his watch that is leading to vacated wins, the Irish might think long and hard about that big buyout, because there is a Midwestern version of Herman who could get snapped up.

I’m talking, of course, about Western Michigan head coach P.J. Fleck, who is a young ball of energy and an injection of enthusiasm sorely needed in South Bend. What Fleck has done at WMU has been nothing short of astonishing - his offensive mindset and work with quarterbacks has been amazing, and he’s from Illinois and knows the area very well.

Having had a cup of coffee in the NFL as a player and coach, working under Jim Tressel, Jerry Kill and Greg Schiano, and being known as a tireless recruiter, he is well-rounded as a candidate despite his youth. Notre Dame might want to take a chance on a potential rising star.

Perhaps the job would be over his head. Perhaps Fleck would struggle with the academic restrictions and politics at Notre Dame.

Or, just maybe, Fleck would be the next Urban Meyer and change the game. It’s a huge risk, but the way the Irish are headed now with a 4-7 record and a likely loss coming this weekend at USC, why not?

This thought came into my head back after the losses to N.C. State and Stanford when Kelly stubbornly aired it out in a monsoon only to bench his star quarterback the next week in a key situation against Stanford. It once again popped into my noggin after the Navy loss.

Now, with the academic scandal for which Kelly has been quoted saying he has “zero” culpability, as reported by the South Bend Tribune, even though it happened on his watch, my fingers forced me to begin typing.

Kelly has gone to a national title game and a New Year’s Six bowl, but he is also 37-26 and counting in the five other seasons. Perhaps Notre Dame feels it can avoid the massive buyout and get a much bigger-name coach if things go sour with Kelly next season, but the Irish might regret passing on Fleck if he’s gone.

https://n.rivals.com/news/three-point-stance-brian-kelly-heisman-trophy-awards-snubs
 
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