Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[T Town Tommy]

agree to disagree all you want.

Not really disagreeing... just asking the question. I don't think an elite level coach would come to ND at this point. But I also don't think the academic angle would be the barrier. The more telling barrier to me - at least as I have seen over the last 25 years - is the fact that the institutional support from above doesn't seem to necessarily be there. Or at least be there on a consistent basis. No coach wants to work for an Admin that is inconsistent at best or sends mixed messages about their support for football. Especially an elite level coach.

 

[kmoose]

What exactly is the ND academic standard for football? Quick answer is nobody knows. It seems the biggest obstacle for getting a recruit in to ND is whether they have two years of a foreign language in high school. Further, it is a widely held belief that BK has been able to recruit many players that the three coaches before him could never recruit.

To say other coaches would not come to ND due to academics may be shortsighted. The Urban example is a poor one simply due to the fact that at that point ND hadn't softened their requirements for athletes - if the belief that it has softened under Kelly is true. Once they are at ND, they have a very good academic support system to ensure they are successful... given they put in the work.

Any elite level coach that wants a recruit for his system will make sure the recruit gets the classes they have to have to get in. So what if they miss on one or two every cycle? Their ability to coach the ones they do get far outweigh that one or two they don't.

The problem with academics at ND is not getting an athlete in. That's an obstacle, but not an overwhelming one. The problem is the work that football players have to do, in the classroom, once they get on campus. ALL of ND's students, including athletes, and even football players, are expected to graduate in 4 years. And they can, and will, be put on academic probation at any time in their matriculation through ND, if they fail to stay on pace to graduate in 4 years. That means that they not only have to maintain the NCAA mandated GPA; they also have to earn the Notre Dame mandated minimum hours each semester. There are no "Athletics majors" at ND. ND athletes have to do the same work, practically, as their non-athlete peers have to do. ND is a world class education. The guys who graduate have earned their degree. These academic rigors leave precious little time for things like film study and memorizing a game plan. It really takes a special kid to succeed at ND. And those kids just aren't available at every position, every year.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think you'll see a situation where Coach Kelly is advised that if he were to accept another offer from a different school, we would waive penalties. Then you'd likely see his agent approach Phil Knight about putting Oregon in a position to win titles before he is too old and telling LSU that BK is the QB-wizard they need to get their collection of 5-star athletes over the hump.

BK knows next year is going to be intense pressure on him, especially breaking in an untested QB. Opens to Temple (No.3 ranked D), then Georgia (No. 14 ranked D),then BC (No. 12 ranked D), then Michigan State. There is a real possibility that he could be forced out before the end of September. Im sure BK and his agent are strategic enough to know that best case scenario he knocks the DC hire out of the park, we have a 2012-like home run season and he rehabilitates his standing with the fanbase.

There is no home-run hire at DC. Todd Orlando can slide right into the big chair at Houston, Mike Elko is going to be a candidate for a number of smaller HC positions. Colorado, Boise, WMU, FAU, Umass, BC are likely to need a new HC. NFL guys are going to be harshly judged due to BVG. Elston would get criticised because its more-of-the-same etc. Im just struggling to see a realistic hire that would re-invigorate the fanbase.
There are some BIG spots needing to be filled (Texas, LSU, Oregon) and not enough clean candidates for them either.

I think BK's agent is looking at it like - Pivot to a high-profile school now, then jump to NFL or potentially be the HC at Rutgers come opening game 2018.

** In my opinion Kizer is going to the NFL. He's going to get a RD1/2 grade and in that case would be foolish to return. He saw what happened to Jaylon last year and this is a weak QB class. 49ers, Bears, Jets, Browns, Saints, Cardinals and Skins should look at QB in the early rounds. Make hay while the sun shines **

I would pay attention to who LSU goes with at HC. I think at this point Ed O is out. Aranda is probably pissed anyway that Ed O was named interim since he was the DL coach and Aranda was the DC. If the next Tiger coach brings his own DC, then ND should step up and make a huge run at Aranda for DC. But it will take more money that what ND has offered up in the past for coordinators. I say back the truck up if Aranda becomes available.

 

[ThePiombino]

I would pay attention to who LSU goes with at HC. I think at this point Ed O is out. Aranda is probably pissed anyway that Ed O was named interim since he was the DL coach and Aranda was the DC. If the next Tiger coach brings his own DC, then ND should step up and make a huge run at Aranda for DC. But it will take more money that what ND has offered up in the past for coordinators. I say back the truck up if Aranda becomes available.

There is no better hire out there. Elko is a sexy option for sure, but this guy is as close to a guarantee as there is, IMO.

 

[T Town Tommy]

The problem with academics at ND is not getting an athlete in. That's an obstacle, but not an overwhelming one. The problem is the work that football players have to do, in the classroom, once they get on campus. ALL of ND's students, including athletes, and even football players, are expected to graduate in 4 years. And they can, and will, be put on academic probation at any time in their matriculation through ND, if they fail to stay on pace to graduate in 4 years. That means that they not only have to maintain the NCAA mandated GPA; they also have to earn the Notre Dame mandated minimum hours each semester. There are no "Athletics majors" at ND. ND athletes have to do the same work, practically, as their non-athlete peers have to do. ND is a world class education. The guys who graduate have earned their degree. These academic rigors leave precious little time for things like film study and memorizing a game plan. It really takes a special kid to succeed at ND. And those kids just aren't available at every position, every year.

Can't say I agree or disagree with the majority of this as I don't personally know. Other posters out here who actually attended ND may have varying opinions based on what they seen while there when it comes to athletes and academics.

 

[T Town Tommy]

There is no better hire out there. Elko is a sexy option for sure, but this guy is as close to a guarantee as there is, IMO.

I like Elko as he seems to get a lot out of the talent he has. But, as you stated, Aranda is proven that he can be highly successful at the highest levels of CFB. The Irish fans really need to watch the LSU situation closely and hope the school is in a position to act quickly if Aranda does indeed become available.

 

[kmoose]

Can't say I agree or disagree with the majority of this as I don't personally know. Other posters out here who actually attended ND may have varying opinions based on what they seen while there when it comes to athletes and academics.

My brother spent 2 years as the Executive Officer of the NROTC Battalion, then 7 years as an Assistant Director in the MBA program, at ND. My niece is a Class of '15 grad. They obviously aren't all-knowing of every aspect of the football players' experience, but they probably know as much as most other non-athlete grad.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I would like Tom Herman to replace coach Brian Kelly. And I would like Aranada or Elko to be the defensive coordinator.


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[irishff1014]

I would like Tom Herman to replace coach Brian Kelly. And I would like Aranada or Elko to be the defensive coordinator.


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I doubt this will happen since Texas is firing strong.

 

[irishandy]

Herman is going to UT!

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Who do you want to replace Kelly and BVG?

Who do you want to replace Kelly and BVG?

I doubt this will happen since Texas is firing strong.

Yeah. But the question is who do I want. And I want Tom Herman.

Jack needs to write a blank check and agree to whatever academic exceptions Meyer wanted back in the day, which Herman will ask for the same. Because I'm sure Herman will use Meyer for advise.

I just hope Meyer sees that there is talent at Notre Dame and the academics exceptions have increased since he was interviewed last. Then Meyer can tell Herman what a special place Notre Dame is.


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[irishff1014]

Yeah. But the question is who do I want. And I want Tom Herman.

Jack needs to write a blank check and agree to whatever academic exceptions Meyer wanted back in the day, which Herman will ask for the same. Because I'm sure Herman will use Meyer for advise.

I just hope Meyer sees that there is talent at Notre Dame and the ace demon exceptions have increased since he was interviewed last. Then Meyer can tell Herman what a special place Notre Dame is.


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I would rather go 9-4 every year than have Urban the snake as the head coach.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

Matt Patricia.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I would rather go 9-4 every year than have Urban the snake as the head coach.

I didn't say Meyer would be the coach. I was trying to say that Herman will ask Meyer for advice.

And you are off your rocker if you would not want Meyer.


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[Meatloaf]

Matt Patricia.

A well respected coordinator from the Patriots? What could possibly go wrong?

 

[IrishLax]

What makes you think that? I don't get that vibe. Kelly got an extension in January until 2021. If Kelly has another 4-8 season next year he'll be on the hot seat.

I think that because before last year's success most of what I heard was not positive about their relationship. In fact I've heard nothing but negative things since Kelly tried to leverage the Eagles flirtation into $$ instead of showing loyalty. And there is not a single connected person I've talked to this year that has wanted to keep Kelly for any reason that isn't financial.

I have not seen a bigger believer with Fleck on this board than you. Why should ND go out a grab a coach who has a .571 winning % career...in the MAC conference???

Yes I get it that MAC schools can produce head coaches to go onto the next level. Look at Darrell Hazel who had a .605 winning % at Kent State was horrible at Purdue and you think that Fleck can do better at ND at his next stop??

Too many armchair quarterbacks on this board....

So when Harbaugh took over doormat Stanford, showed positive trend each year, and then produced an excellent season after building the program from scratch... would you not have wanted him because his career winning % was mediocre at the time? I'm curious how you hold building seasons against someone when they get better every year and were starting at the very bottom.

 

[bkess8]

Matt Patricia.

I would accept this!

 

[irishandy]

I think that because before last year's success most of what I heard was not positive about their relationship. In fact I've heard nothing but negative things since Kelly tried to leverage the Eagles flirtation into $$ instead of showing loyalty. And there is not a single connected person I've talked to this year that has wanted to keep Kelly for any reason that isn't financial.



So when Harbaugh took over doormat Stanford, showed positive trend each year, and then produced an excellent season after building the program from scratch... would you not have wanted him because his career winning % was mediocre at the time? I'm curious how you hold building seasons against someone when they get better every year and were starting at the very bottom.

I can agree with you on that with the Eagles, I was pissed off that Kelly flirted with the NFL. To go on record I don't think he'd be a good NFL coach.

Talk to Swarbick about signing Kelly to a contract extension....

If Harbaugh decided to interview for the ND job after Stanford I would be okay with that, coaching at Stanford vs. Western Michigan is a BIG BIG difference.

With Fleck I am not "holding building seasons" against him. I want to see more from him. I am not sold on him coming to ND just because he has had 1 great season at WMU.

 

[AgentJ]

Wouldn't you guys rather have anyone else other than BK at this point? Who will be available next year that's any better than this year? Don't let BK destroy this program even more for the next guy.

Think of it like this: If BK were fired right now, where would he end up coaching? I'll give you a hint... It'd be no school near the caliber of ND. Yet people still want him around.

 

[IrishLax]

I can agree with you on that with the Eagles, I was pissed off that Kelly flirted with the NFL. To go on record I don't think he'd be a good NFL coach.

Talk to Swarbick about signing Kelly to a contract extension....

If Harbaugh decided to interview for the ND job after Stanford I would be okay with that, coaching at Stanford vs. Western Michigan is a BIG BIG difference.

With Fleck I am not "holding building seasons" against him. I want to see more from him. I am not sold on him coming to ND just because he has had 1 great season at WMU.

That makes perfect sense. I think coaches are more than resumes, like if you look at Urban Meyer at Utah he was "small timey" and only had like two good seasons at a Mountain West school against bad competition before he got the Florida job. Fleck has a ton of risk I just love his attitude and the way he coaches. Energy and style reminds me of Pete Carroll.... whether he can coach at the highest level like him remains to be seen.

 

[irishandy]

That makes perfect sense. I think coaches are more than resumes, like if you look at Urban Meyer at Utah he was "small timey" and only had like two good seasons at a Mountain West school against bad competition before he got the Florida job. Fleck has a ton of risk I just love his attitude and the way he coaches. Energy and style reminds me of Pete Carroll.... whether he can coach at the highest level like him remains to be seen.

Coaching is more business than being loyal. I think Harbaugh is building his resume to get back to the NFL, I think he wants a super bowl ring like his brother.

Let Fleck build a better resume before he comes to ND.

 

[NDgradstudent]

That makes perfect sense. I think coaches are more than resumes, like if you look at Urban Meyer at Utah he was "small timey" and only had like two good seasons at a Mountain West school against bad competition before he got the Florida job. Fleck has a ton of risk I just love his attitude and the way he coaches. Energy and style reminds me of Pete Carroll.... whether he can coach at the highest level like him remains to be seen.

Meyer also tore it up at BGSU before Utah. Maybe if Fleck gets a (smaller stature than ND) P5 job and dominates there...but yeah, I still think he's worth the risk vis-a-vis Kelly at this point.

 

[irishff1014]

Coaching is more business than being loyal. I think Harbaugh is building his resume to get back to the NFL, I think he wants a super bowl ring like his brother.

Let Fleck build a better resume before he comes to ND.

The longer you wait the more chance you will miss out.

 

[irishandy]

The longer you wait the more chance you will miss out.

I disagree...there is a hot coach like Fleck every year.

 

[MNIrishman]

I would pay attention to who LSU goes with at HC. I think at this point Ed O is out. Aranda is probably pissed anyway that Ed O was named interim since he was the DL coach and Aranda was the DC. If the next Tiger coach brings his own DC, then ND should step up and make a huge run at Aranda for DC. But it will take more money that what ND has offered up in the past for coordinators. I say back the truck up if Aranda becomes available.

I'd make a run at Charlie "best coordinator who isn't the best head coach" Strong first.

 

[china423]

The Scoop - Sunday November 20, 2016 - FootballScoop

Re: LSU

At FootballScoop we hear that Jimbo is the target; but thereafter we hear Tom Herman is not pushing for this one; but hear Brian Kelly would entertain the phone call and could ultimately wind up being the choice. Sources tell FootballScoop LSU officials are telling representatives of coaches that they want this search done within days of LSU’s final game. We’ll keep you posted.

 

[Irishize]

Coaching is more business than being loyal. I think Harbaugh is building his resume to get back to the NFL, I think he wants a super bowl ring like his brother.

Let Fleck build a better resume before he comes to ND.

I would agree with u if this were 1996 or 2001 but ND can longer afford to "wait & see". If Fleck goes to a mid-level program and has success his stock will be even higher as will his demand from big programs. If he has his pick of programs at that point, he's not going to choose ND. He's going to choose the best program with the least path of resistance to a championship. ND is the last place in that regard. Why would the "next big thing" go to ND? Get him now while you can.

Yes, it's a gamble after one big year at a MAC school. If ND did their due diligence and went with Fleck, the worst that could happen is they hire a new coach in 3 years. That's not very long when you consider it's been 20 years of HC hires that have been mediocre or worse. I think ND should give him a long, hard look.

Two guys that are good fits at ND IMO are Matt Ruhle & Dan Mullen. Ruhle has flown under the radar after he made a splash last season at Temple. I think he's worth looking at.

Most of you will scoff at Mullen b/c MSU has had a bad year. Now realize it's Mississippi St yet he's taken them to their only #1 ranking late in 2014, their first major bowl since 1941 and in only 8 years is 3rd in All-Time wins at MSU. He's from the Northeast and was a GA at ND in 1999-2000 under Davie. He was also reportedly frustrated that his contract wasn't extended last year after a 9-4 season.

 

[Irish Knuckles]

The Scoop - Sunday November 20, 2016 - FootballScoop


The Scoop - Sunday November 20, 2016 - FootballScoop

Re: LSU

Quote:
At FootballScoop we hear that Jimbo is the target; but thereafter we hear Tom Herman is not pushing for this one; but hear Brian Kelly would entertain the phone call and could ultimately wind up being the choice. Sources tell FootballScoop LSU officials are telling representatives of coaches that they want this search done within days of LSU’s final game. We’ll keep you posted.

what the hell?

 

[Irishize]

According to Brett McMurphy, UT has fired Charlie Strong

EDIT: looks like that was a false alarm

 

[PerthDomer]

The difference between Kelly and some of the upstarts we talk about is he won at places that were already solid. He took over for Dantonio at Cincy. He improved CMU but didn't do as well as Fleck at WMU with a better starting point (bad but not dead last). I'd like to see Fleck navigate the waters at a place like Purdue before the big time though.

I like McIntyre because he took a SJSU team on academic probation from 1 win to 10 wins in 3 seasons. He's taken a dead Colorado program to PAC contention. He has NFL and college experience at multiple stops in multiple leagues. He'd like the spirituality at ND. Plus looking at CU's recruiting their guys come from 4 states. Colorado, Texas, California, and Florida. He already recruits nationally. If not him then Whittingham. He wins big games and has done well at Utah with about 0 admin support (Like Brey here in bball).