What we learned

[pkt77242]

I think Dayne should be the starter again next week too. All Tommy did was throw to floyd on every single play and he even paid for it when he threw a pic. He also didn't have Kelly calling tons of run plays (not a bad thing but resulted in Rees having better passing stats, obviously) I know that looking for floyd is obviously not a bad thing (as he is CLEARLY our best offensive weapon besides maybe Wood) but when you do it every play it can be dangerous. Remember guys, Dayne drove the ball right down USF's throat the first drive but GRAY let the team down. Dayne's only mistakes were the interception (which I agree was very unacceptable), and two overthrown balls. That is not a bad day especially when you consider that Rees didn't have to deal with a completely deflating play

Unfortunately I disagree.
It is much more difficult to throw the ball when they know you have to pass unlike what Crist had when Wood was taking big chunks of yards.

 

[ErieIrish13]

I think Dayne should be the starter again next week too. All Tommy did was throw to floyd on every single play and he even paid for it when he threw a pic. He also didn't have Kelly calling tons of run plays (not a bad thing but resulted in Rees having better passing stats, obviously) I know that looking for floyd is obviously not a bad thing (as he is CLEARLY our best offensive weapon besides maybe Wood) but when you do it every play it can be dangerous. Remember guys, Dayne drove the ball right down USF's throat the first drive but GRAY let the team down. Dayne's only mistakes were the interception (which I agree was very unacceptable), and two overthrown balls. That is not a bad day especially when you consider that Rees didn't have to deal with a completely deflating play

Thankyou. I thought I was the only one. And I said the exact same thing in a different thread. There are also some ??? surrounding Tommy. Can he still be successful with the run game, and can he be successful if floyd isn't open?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I think Dayne should be the starter again next week too. All Tommy did was throw to floyd on every single play and he even paid for it when he threw a pic. He also didn't have Kelly calling tons of run plays (not a bad thing but resulted in Rees having better passing stats, obviously) I know that looking for floyd is obviously not a bad thing (as he is CLEARLY our best offensive weapon besides maybe Wood) but when you do it every play it can be dangerous. Remember guys, Dayne drove the ball right down USF's throat the first drive but GRAY let the team down. Dayne's only mistakes were the interception (which I agree was very unacceptable), and two overthrown balls. That is not a bad day especially when you consider that Rees didn't have to deal with a completely deflating play

ummmm.....no

 

[IrishBlood81]

Could anybody give me a bit more details about Kelly's presser?
thanks

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Thankyou. I thought I was the only one. And I said the exact same thing in a different thread. There are also some ??? surrounding Tommy. Can he still be successful with the run game, and can he be successful if floyd isn't open?

See... "Last Four Games Of Last Season". That should answer your question.

Signed,

Research

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Just listened to BK post game press..he mentioned that Theo needs not to "show" his disappontment....i found that interesting.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

you could always go to und.com and see for yourself. It's free and requires minimal effort.

 

[jason_h537]

See... "Last Four Games Of Last Season". That should answer your question.

Signed,

Research

I agree Tommy is now the QB but that is the stupidest argument. See USC where he directly caused 4 TO's and played like absolute ****. Or how about him throwing more picks in 5 starts.

 

[pkt77242]

Thankyou. I thought I was the only one. And I said the exact same thing in a different thread. There are also some ??? surrounding Tommy. Can he still be successful with the run game, and can he be successful if floyd isn't open?

You do realize it is easier to throw when you have a running game, not more difficult.

 

[Junkhead]

All Tommy did was throw to floyd on every single play and he even paid for it when he threw a pic.

Dayne had 7 completions in a half, 2 to Floyd. Rees had 24 completions, 10 to Floyd. To simplify it (far too much), we had ZERO points in the first half with Dayne, and 20 in the 2nd with Tommy. I want to like Dayne, I just have no confidence in his ability to lead the offense.

 

[nlroma1o]

that was the hardest game ive ever sat through in my life..... so discouraging....

 

[ACamp1900]

that was the hardest game ive ever sat through in my life..... so discouraging....

it was up there....

 

[BeauBenken]

Other than team oriented things which are being widely mentioned...

I learned that it's probably smart I don't stay on this site during the game. Hell, it's still crazy AFTER the game.

Oh and that there are an absurd amount of opposing fanbases that for some reason after a win think of coming here to troll rather than go out and celebrate. That's weird.

And Ball State beat IU...wtf is going on today. lol

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

what we learned we are not a top 25 team agian.

 

[NDIrishlover3]

General...

The offense gained over 500 yards, but the turnovers killed us.

The defense was solid. Only gave up 16 points.

First half was atrocious, second half mediocre.

Individuals...

- Tommy Rees is our guy.
- Dayne Crist was not as bad as we made him out to be, but he certainly wasn't good.
- Cierre Wood was outstanding in the first half. Running with a lot more power and determination.
- Jonas Gray. Ugh.
- Michael Floyd. Nothing else need be said.
- TJ Jones made some nice plays, but he dropped the two most important passes.
- Theo Riddick was absolutely atrocious.
- Tyler Eifert was excellent in the second half.
- Ben Turk is horrible.
- Offensive line was very good. Great protection and good holes for Wood.

Thankyou... probably one of the best breakdowns I have seen yet... only thing I would add is that Fleming was probably the biggest disappointment for the defense, not because he did particularly bad but because he was expected to be a "national player" and yet he definetly was not tonight

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Learned that ND life without Floyd will be tough!

 

[ACamp1900]

what we learned we are not a top 25 team agian.

this.

 

[IrishBoy]

Except Kelly went beyond yelling. I mean, he looked like he was going to pop. Really, he was beyond irate and livid. He was ready to kill someone, which, I have to admit, was quite satisfying. But will not be good for the long term if he keeps it up.

I agree. Kelly needs to tone it down, because if he keeps doing it every game, it will not be good for the team. Look at Skip Holtz. South Florida players made some dumb mistakes. Holtz was disappointed I am sure, but he didn't scream and went after his players on the sideline like Kelly did. I really wanted Notre Dame to win. I am surprised they lost the game with so many experienced players on the team. I hope they prepare better for next week against Michigan.

 

[zemaniak]

I DVR'ed the second half, so thanks to delays will never be able to comment on it, but my thoughts on 1st half:

let me start by stating I was not happy with the choice of crist. Saw enough of him last year to know that, unlike Rees, he doesn't have "it"

Anyway, first couple of plays, i'm thinking: this is EAAAASY! Cakewalk? then of course God smites me for that remark and all hell breaks loose. Looser than frikkin sand.

But as it was unfolding, i couldn't help to be dumbfounded about the mental fragility of this team, i mean to see everyone just lose it, it felt like 2010, 2009, etc. all over again, but the coaches and most of the players are different, so what the heck gives?
it is the pressure of ND? the crowd? bad scouting? I don;t frikkin get it.
I see other teams blow an opening game than find their composure and get back to winning football games (Auburn, S Car anyone?)

My answer: depth, or lack thereof. And that is why the meltdown was far more evident of O than D. The loser mentality id thus tougher to erase. Players are more scared of losing than they are of losing their starting spot.

So might take a year or two more than we'd have liked to get to the big show i'm afraid

 

[jason_h537]

I agree. Kelly needs to tone it down, because if he keeps doing it every game, it will not be good for the team. Look at Skip Holtz. South Florida players made some dumb mistakes. Holtz was disappointed I am sure, but he didn't scream and went after his players on the sideline like Kelly did. I really wanted Notre Dame to win. I am surprised they lost the game with so many experienced players on the team. I hope they prepare better for next week against Michigan.

Screw that. Mistake after mistake causes that kind of reaction. These are veterans who played like it was spring practice. If they execute they wpouldnt have seen that side of him

 

[Rudy89]

what scares me was this was a home game and a weaker team that we did this against, whats is going to happen next week in the unfriendly big house with a better football team?

 

[ACamp1900]

what scares me was this was a home game and a weaker team that we did this against, whats is going to happen next week in the unfriendly big house with a better football team?

a loss

 

[jason_h537]

what scares me was this was a home game and a weaker team that we did this against, whats is going to happen next week in the unfriendly big house with a better football team?

Maybe they will remember to execute and hold onto the ball in the redzone

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

What did you guys think of Kelly blowing gasket after gasket? I'm all for calling out players and holding them accountable...just wonder if that repeated screaming and berating doesn't start to make players play to not make mistakes, in turn they press and make more. Obviously he was very frustrated and disappointed, just wondering what everyones thoughts were, I know it was discussed last year...but I don't remember it being this bad.

 

[Rudy89]

a loss

afraid youre right

 

[ACamp1900]

What did you guys think of Kelly blowing gasket after gasket? I'm all for calling out players and holding them accountable...just wonder if that repeated screaming and berating doesn't start to make players play to not make mistakes...Obviously he was very frustrated and disappointed, just wondering what everyones thoughts were, I know it was discussed last year...but I don't remember it being this bad.

I think it'll be realy hard to play off turning purple on National TV to all those recruits....... that's pretty much it

 

[pkt77242]

Screw that. Mistake after mistake causes that kind of reaction. These are veterans who played like it was spring practice. If they execute they wpouldnt have seen that side of him

^This. When experience starters keep making mistakes you scream at them. Just the way it is.

 

[aaronb]

The Dayne Crist vs Tommy Rees debate kind of reminds me of Jeff George vs Jim Harbaugh during their Colts tenures.

George had the hype, measurables and big arm. Yet Harbaugh always seemed to be on time with his passes and keep things more cohesive.

I think Rees has to be the man going forward.

 

[ACamp1900]

The Dayne Crist vs Tommy Rees debate kind of reminds me of Jeff George vs Jim Harbaugh during their Colts tenures.

George had the hype, measurables and big arm. Yet Harbaugh always seemed to be on time with his passes and keep things more cohesive.

I think Rees has to be the man going forward.

remember Jones vs. Grant debate a decade ago??? very much the same....

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

What did you guys think of Kelly blowing gasket after gasket? I'm all for calling out players and holding them accountable...just wonder if that repeated screaming and berating doesn't start to make players play to not make mistakes...Obviously he was very frustrated and disappointed, just wondering what everyones thoughts were, I know it was discussed last year...but I don't remember it being this bad.

There were some earlier comments about this in another thread. I am all for him getting upset at personal fouls and fumbles-- however he lost it on TJ for running a bad or wrong route (or not looking for the ball). I think he stepped over the line...and that is IMO