What video game are you playing?

[ACamp1900]

 

[ACamp1900]

Was NV a full sized game like FO3 and Skyrim?? I much preferred ES to FO3 so I passed on anything else but most here seem to prefer NV...

 

[ulukinatme]

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I guess that depends on how you play Skyrim... I rarely ever did combat unless forced to, which wasn't too often... for me I think of the huge gun battles in FO and it's hard for me to get 'action' out of my head...

Ahhh, if that's the case than I agree with those comments. I think dialogue and RPG elements in Fallout greatly influences outcomes and actions, more so than in Skyrim. For that reason "action" is required more often in Skyrim for sure.

It's not even so much about "how much" combat is needed, but the design focus Bethesda placed on it. Combat is totally central to Skyrim. Quests, companions, residences, etc. are all ancillary to it. In FO, there's obviously lots of combat, too, but character development rarely takes a backseat to it.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think you guys played a different Fallout 3 than I did...

 

[ulukinatme]

Was NV a full sized game like FO3 and Skyrim?? I much preferred ES to FO3 so I passed on anything else but most here seem to prefer NV...

Yes, full sized game. In terms of map size NV had a smaller map than Skyrim, and some will say the map was smaller than FO: 3 (It's not, but there are impassable mountains in some of the terrain) despite there being more points of interest in New Vegas if I recall. Vegas is longer, based on the number of side quests and the fact they can often be completed multiple ways, not just 1 or 2 different outcomes. The number of possible endings to New Vegas is crazy when you take into account the different factions.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Was NV a full sized game like FO3 and Skyrim?? I much preferred ES to FO3 so I passed on anything else but most here seem to prefer NV...

FO: NV was a "full-sized" game with multiple expansions of its own. On release, it was a sloppily-coded mess (thanks, Obsidian) that was borderline unplayable at times. But those issues have been mostly addressed now; you can pick up it up with all of the expansions included for ~$15. If you enjoyed FO3, you owe it to yourself to pick up FO: NV. Easily one of the best games of the last generation.

 

[ACamp1900]

If you enjoyed FO3, you owe it to yourself to pick up FO: NV.

All I need to know.......

 

[ulukinatme]

All I need to know.......

I'm not sure Whiskey knows that FO:3 wasn't your cup of tea. While New Vegas certainly has the same settings and style, functionally it's more akin to the original Fallout games in the way it's more open ended. While the FO:3 world itself is open world like all Bethesda games, it's more linear in the path you need to take to complete quests imo. While you have options in how you can complete quests, many quests are more linear and don't give you as many options when it comes to completing them as a good character, bad character, or neutral. There's also no way to really back one faction or the other, you're essentially forced to support the Brotherhood of Steel. There's no real other factions to speak of like in Vegas, other than maybe the Slavers and the escaped slaves, but that's just one side quest. Maybe that doesn't matter to you, but that freedom to choose different paths was a big reason why I prefer New Vegas. It makes the game that much better and adds a ton of replay value. I've played New Vegas much more than Fallout 3, despite enjoying both games.

Maybe that's not enough for you to enjoy the game, but imo New Vegas is very good and deserves a play through. At the very least I would say you should give Fallout 4 a try first, and if you find you enjoy the game then maybe go back and try Vegas with an open mind. That, or maybe you would prefer to spend less money and try New Vegas first. Once Fallout 4 has been out for awhile I'm sure many of us can tell you how it plays and you can make your own judgements based on that.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm not sure Whiskey knows that FO:3 wasn't your cup of tea.

That's true. Didn't realize that FO3 wasn't for you, ACamp. I'm in agreement with ulukin that New Vegas is a better game in almost every way. It's definitely worth a shot if you want to a cheap way to see if FO4 might interest you.

 

[ACamp1900]

While the FO:3 world itself is open world like all Bethesda games, it's more linear in the path you need to take to complete quests imo.

I made this same exact case some months ago in this very thread and you jumped all over me for it...

anyway, I just didn't feel FO3, at all really... it's like the Lord of the Rings movies...

I get that it's well made, deep, and has great substance,... it's not that I think LotR is a bad series,... it just did nothing for me personally...

honestly, I found it much more drab and boring than any other last gen RPG that I tried... I def got more of an action movie feel out of it too... I did really enjoy the music tho, lol...

 

[ulukinatme]

I made this same exact case some months ago in this very thread and you jumped all over me for it...

I don't remember what exactly was said. Fallout 3 is definitely a very open world where you can go anywhere and do anything you basically want at any time. However, in comparison to Fallout New Vegas, the completion of individual quests leaves you less options in how you complete them so in that way it's more linear I guess. Maybe linear was a bad word to use, but I don't remember exactly what the previous discussion was.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

 

[ulukinatme]

Okay, I went back and dug around. Here was the post I think:

On a slightly related note... One things I really liked about GTA 5 (Which isn't my fav open world game by any means) is that is was truly open world, you don't have to play through 'stages' to open up parts of the map... That bugged me more about Fallout 3 than any other game for some reason...

And my statement still holds true, in that case. Fallout 3 is still a completely open world. Raven Rock, which is one small bunker at the end of the game, is the only inaccessible location. Raven Rock is the same as the Union Depository in GTA V. Both locations are locked until the end of the game, but they don't intrude on the open world. There are no stages in Fallout 3 or New Vegas. You can go anywhere you want at any time, and often times you can skip entire portions of quests by arriving at a location ahead of schedule (For instance, going straight to Vault 112 after the tutorial you can skip quite a big chunk of the main quest line and pick up in the middle).

My statement in the previous post was in relation to how quests are completed. Linear was a bad word. I was referring to the way New Vegas gives you multiple options on how to complete a quest or side with a faction. Fallout 3 typically gives you 1 or maybe 2 ways to complete a quest and there aren't really any factions you choose to side with or not side with, you're mostly stuck with the Brotherhood of Steel.

 

[ACamp1900]

There was long discussion and I think you may have picked one random post within it... you can't just go anywhere right off the bat... especially in the city... it also took me a while just to venture around because the mutants are far too powerful right off the bat, that's what I mean by 'stages' and they are more specific to certain areas... in Skyrim you can go anywhere, the enemies level with you and seemed much more random... there weren't any areas just flooded with far too powerful enemies rat off the bat ... honestly Fallout just wasn't for me, but I never hated it until the fanboys in this thread...

 

[greyhammer90]

That's true. Didn't realize you had a disability, ACamp. I'm in agreement with ulukin that New Vegas is a better game in almost every way. It's definitely worth a shot if you want to a cheap way to see if FO4 might interest you.

FTFY.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

FTFY.

But FO: NV still has him covered!

 

[ACamp1900]

All joking aside my time for gaming is so much more limited than it used to be that I have to be very selective with my games, especially massive RPGs... and FO kind of had it's chance with me, I know I'm going to enjoy ES, DI or GTA... and I already don't have enough time just for those....

growing up sucks sometimes.

 

[greyhammer90]

But FO: NV still has him covered!

One of my biggest fears that's almost certain to come true is that the voiced dialog will kill the low intelligence run

 

[ulukinatme]

There was long discussion and I think you may have picked one random post within it... you can't just go anywhere right off the bat... especially in the city... it also took me a while just to venture around because the mutants are far too powerful right off the bat, that's what I mean by 'stages' and they are more specific to certain areas... in Skyrim you can go anywhere, the enemies level with you and seemed much more random... there weren't any areas just flooded with far too powerful enemies rat off the bat ... honestly Fallout just wasn't for me, but I never hated it until the fanboys in this thread...

True, there are certain pockets and POIs in Fallout that are tougher than others, but they're still beatable and the same is true for GTA V. If you try to to go to the prison or Humane Labs early in the game you're probably going to have a hard time fighting all the guards and Merryweather soldiers. In Fallout, much like Skyrim, the enemies level with you. While a Super Mutant will always be tougher than a normal human, they're scaled down and still beatable at a low level. I've seen some people claim they've killed Deathclaws at Level 3 in Fallout, but that one is pretty extreme and probably involves cheating or exploits.

When you put it that way, I would argue that GTA V is actually less open than Fallout. Typically in Fallout you can arrive at any location and start any side quest at any time. In GTA you can go anywhere you want, but actual quests for a given region or zone only become open if you've progressed to that location in the main story.

 

[ACamp1900]

I would argue that GTA V is actually less open than Fallout.

 

[ulukinatme]

All joking aside my time for gaming is so much more limited than it used to be that I have to be very selective with my games, especially massive RPGs... and FO kind of had it's chance with me, I know I'm going to enjoy ES, DI or GTA... and I already don't have enough time just for those....

growing up sucks sometimes.

Give it another chance, man. Fallout 3...it's not the definitive Fallout! It's probably the least similar to New Vegas and the originals. Obviously I have no idea how good Fallout 4 is going to be yet, but I have a good feeling and I really enjoyed New Vegas. You're killin' me here.

One of my biggest fears that's almost certain to come true is that the voiced dialog will kill the low intelligence run

I hadn't even considered that...but with 111,000+ lines of dialogue I hope that's not the case.

 

[ACamp1900]

Give it another chance, man. Fallout 3...it's not the definitive Fallout! It's probably the least similar to New Vegas and the originals. You're killin' me here.

You said Rock sucked...

 

[ulukinatme]

You said Rock sucked...

No way, I just said he wasn't the greatest heel of all time.
You would be hard pressed to find a bigger Rock fan than me back in the day.
I can accept the fact that the Rock will always be remembered as one of the top baby-faces, and he didn't suck as a heel. He was good in his own right, but will never be remembered as the greatest heel. Someday you'll understand that everybody has to pay the Piper.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

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Scat and wrestling references aside, I'm pumped for the vault door to open..

War. War never changes.

 

[wizards8507]

One of my biggest fears that's almost certain to come true is that the voiced dialog will kill the low intelligence run

They voiced the POV character? Laaaaame.

EDIT: I just watched a Fallout in 5 Minutes video to get a feel for the plot in the games leading up to Fallout 4 and saw that the "bad guys" in the game are a group dedicated to wiping out communism once and for all... is that right? Whiskey, is this game part of the vast left-wing conspiracy?

 

[ulukinatme]

They voiced the POV character? Laaaaame.

EDIT: I just watched a Fallout in 5 Minutes video to get a feel for the plot in the games leading up to Fallout 4 and saw that the "bad guys" in the game are a group dedicated to wiping out communism once and for all... is that right? Whiskey, is this game part of the vast left-wing conspiracy?

Funny, but that's part of the Fallout universe. It's deeply rooted in the Cold War history, with space-mania, 1950s style homes/clothes/culture, etc. Imagine if the bombs had dropped in the 50s (Even though in the Fallout universe this didn't happen until 2077). The 50s culture would be what was left behind when people emerged from the Vaults. It's not quite as if time stopped in the 50s, because technology advanced in fields of robotics, weapons, vehicles, etc. It's almost like a separate timeline where technology continued to advance to 2077, but the culture never changed. In short, that's where the whole communism thing comes from. The war starts when China invades Alaska. Typically on computer terminals in Fallout you can occasionally find red propaganda and nationalistic themes to combat Communism, which is inserted into the game both for perspective and for humor.

 

[wizards8507]

NSFW (language)

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[ACamp1900]

I'm assuming some have already seen this but came across it today and thought it was worth posting, this may especially help wiz on his decision:

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Looks pretty good honestly, though I will never play this series again until ulk acknowledges The Rock as the People's Champ, The People's Choice and the Best damned Heel, there ever was!!!

Anyway, the ~19:00 to about 21:00 mark showed many great examples of where I got my 'more of an action game than Skyrim' impression/feel from Fallout 3... there were times it felt kind of CoDish...

 

[Andy in Sactown]

I'm assuming some have already seen this but came across it today and thought it was worth posting, this may especially help wiz on his decision:

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Looks pretty good honestly, though I will never play this series again until ulk acknowledges The Rock as the People's Champ, The People's Choice and the Best damned Heel, there ever was!!! Also, the ~19:00 minute mark is a great example of where I got my 'more of an action game' impression from Fallout 3...

Guess we'll be enjoying this one without you.